User talk:Lantzra

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NADCA concern
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Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NADCA


Hello Lantzra. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "NADCA".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 16:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome!
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Your request for undeletion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that a response has been made at Requests for undeletion regarding a submission you made. The thread is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NADCA. JohnCD (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that my "one or two days" for further advice has stretched to five or six, but I will definitely provide it tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Belated advice
Further apologies for my delay in giving you the promised advice.

The first thing to say is that, although it is not made clear enough to new users, Wikipedia is not a place for companies, or people, to "tell the world" about themselves, even if they refrain from overt self-promotion. An encyclopedia article is a quite different thing from a company website. It is greatly preferred if articles are written by people without a close connection with their subject; editing with a conflict of interest is not forbidden, but COI editors are encouraged to declare their interest (as you did) and to work in accordance with the principles of the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide (as you also did, by submitting your article via WP:Articles for creation rather than directly).

One reason why simply copying the company's documents into Wikipedia does not give an acceptable article is the inclusion criterion called WP:Notability, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by references showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people not connected with the subject thought it significant enough to write substantial comment about?

That has the advantage of being a more objective test than "Do we think it's important?" and also of ensuring that there are independent sources for the article. It is quite a tough test, and many worthy organizations, especially new ones, cannot pass it. That is not at all to their discredit, but it means they are not suitable subjects for a global encyclopedia. The test applies to non-commercial organizations and good causes, too - we have an explanatory essay entitled Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause.

The importance of independent sources is such that a very experienced Wikipedian gave this advice in User:Uncle G/On notability: "'When writing about subjects that are close to you, don't use your own personal knowledge of the subject, and don't cite yourself, your web site, or the subject's web site. Instead, use what is written about the subject by other people, independently, as your sources. Cite those sources in your very first edit.  If you don't have such sources, don't write.'"

If you want to go ahead, think hard about notability. See WP:ANS for what it means. If you cannot find independent sources to establish it, you will be wasting your time and effort. If you want to go ahead,
 * Collect your sources
 * Read WP:Your first article
 * Click on Help:Userspace draft and fill in the title. That will start a draft page in your "user space" where you can work on the article, with a link to good advice and a "Submit" button which will send the article, when it is ready, to WP:Articles for creation, where an experienced user will look at it, and either accept it or give you feedback.
 * When writing, make a strong effort to think of yourself, not as writing for the organization, but as writing for Wikipedia about the organization, from outside. You are not addressing a potential customer or member, but a general encyclopedia reader. Bear in mind the WP:Verifiability policy: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source", and when writing any glowing adjective, or indeed any claim, imagine a hostile critic saying "Who says? Can you prove that?" Don't talk about the organization's aims and hopes for the future, or its mission statement, but about what it has achieved. No opinions, only facts, neutrally stated and cited to reliable sources. Write in your own words, without copying from the website.

Realise that this will not be your article: as soon as you post it, it becomes Wikipedia's article. Nobody "owns" a Wikipedia article, not its first author and least of all its subject. Others can and will edit it, and you will not be able to insist on your preferred version. If you want an article about your organization which you can control, this is not the site for you.

By now you are thinking "This is much harder than I thought, all I wanted to do was post a copy of our booklet to tell the world about us!" I apologise that (because we are anxious not to put new contributors off by making them read a lot of advice) Wikipedia does not make clear at sign-up time that it is not a "notice-board" site like Myspace or Facebook, which are set up for people to do exactly that; but if Wikipedia is a more valuable resource than Myspace, it is only because we have standards and rules on notability, verifiability and conflict of interest.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)