User talk:Larrycaptain

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Proposed deletion of Historic Allen House in Boulder, Colorado's "Little Russia"


The article Historic Allen House in Boulder, Colorado's "Little Russia" has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * lack notability

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Proposed deletion of Boulder's "Little Russia" or "Red Square"


The article Boulder's "Little Russia" or "Red Square" has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * lack notability

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Vigyani (talk) 06:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Boulder Floral Park Historic District
Hello Larry. I've redirected your article Boulder's "Little Russia" or "Red Square" to Boulder Floral Park Historic District, there's no need to create two articles on a single topic. I guess that is your second account, please, note that Wikipedians usually use only one account. Thanks for for your contributions :) --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:25, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I note this as a conflict of interest because you appear to be the owner of the home (according to the present article content). WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:25, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Allen House
Your article on the Allen House (Boulder, Colorado) contains a fair amount of unreferenced information, such as you might have gleaned from your own personal experience with the home. Unfortunately, all material at Wikipedia needs to be verifiable based on citations from reliable sources. If there are no reliable sources (especially for quotations), then the information may be deleted. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for introducing yourself and contributing to Wikipedia! ~ Anastasia (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Your draft
Hi Larry. I'm bringing our conversation over here (rather than hosting it on my talkpage) since it'll be easier for you to keep track of what's going on here. I'd be happy to help you work on your article. The first thing I'm going to do is, I'm afraid, take a large pair of editing scissors to it - remember, the current (and all previous and subsequent versions) will be retained in the page's history, and we can easily revert back to them or refer to them for information, so none of what you've already written will actually be lost. What I propose to do is prune the article back to a minimum amount of encyclopedic information, discarding anything trivial, promotional or unsourced. Once that's done, we can work on verifying the information that remains. After that, we can then start looking at expanding the article somewhat, putting back or adding information that can be reliably sourced. By the end of the process, we should end up with a proper Wikipedia article that's ready to be released into the wild.

The whole process comes with a caveat - it is possible that you actually don't meet Wikipedia's inclusion requirements, in which case I'm afraid we can't have an article about you. I'm optimistic that this won't be the case, but I've been wrong before. To help bolster the argument in your favour, would you mind taking a look at the inclusion guidelines for academics and checking whether or not you fulfil any of the criteria there? If you do, and if we can source it, then an article about you is pretty much a given.

I'll get the shears out and hack away at your sandbox draft later this morning; I'll drop you a note once I'm done. Look forward to working with you. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've had a bit of a clearout - see this edit for the changes. The most pressing problem is that I've yet to see a single independent source that provides enough information about you - the Foundation for Music Education biography is about the best thing out there, but if you're on their advisory board, it isn't sufficiently independent (and the similarities with this draft suggest that you may well have submitted it yourself, which would obviously negate any claim to independence). I've also had a good rummage through Google Books and Google News, but none of the hits there (with the possible exception of a mention in the Kansas Music Review, which I can't fully view) are suitable for Wikipedia's purposes. The best chance of making a case to retain the article is to show that you pass one or more of the WP:PROF criteria that I linked to above; there doesn't seem to be enough out there to meet the basic general notability criteria. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  09:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui, I'm truly overwhelmed by the selfless work you've so kindly invested on behalf of this revision. All very much appreciated. I've once again reviewed the links you've suggested. The most significant secondary source included in my original draft is the (1) Jordan/Holt textbook (in their chapter dealing with the multicultural choral movement in the US) which states "the increased global emphasis at prominent American Choral Directors Association (ACDA) national conventions (in particular, the national, Phoenix, 1991, University Choir, University of Colorado-Boulder's concert which included ethnic repertoire, complete with exotic percussion and costumes) had a major influence on the multicultural movement in the United States." I was the conductor of the group, but my name is not specifically mentioned in the article. (2) The book by Weston Noble includes a chapter on the history of choral singing (and the multicultural movement) in the US. I am only cited in the bibliography of that chapter. Robert Garretson reprints much of my multicultural repertoire list in his text, but again, mentions me only in the bibliography. (3) Joy Sherman references me directly in her juried article (Choral Journal) dealing with recruitment of collegiate-level singers. (3) I was a multicultural contributor to "Monograph 11" published by ACDA, but this is not really a secondary source, just a strong publication involving a group of choral professionals. (4) There are probably numerous newletter items (like the Kansas Music Review), as I gave workshops across the country, but these might be near impossible to round up. (5) I've heard there are several concert, CD, and lecture reviews of my professional work over the years with the Korean Ansan City Choir, but I do not have these (am pretty certain they're written in Korean, too), regardless, there not in my immediate disposal. I doubt my election to Pi Kappa Lambda, the national music honorary, rises to the level of honorary societies mentioned in the guidelines. Don't know if there's anything here to work with, Yunshui. Again, you've been an amazing life line - I hope your efforts are noticed and valued by Wikipedia. 98.245.92.62 (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Larry ...forgot to add: reviewing the notability guidelines for academics, #7-seems the most appropriate fit: "The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." My contribution to multicultural music education, especially within the US public school choral music programs (starting with the 1991 national convention performance of the University of Colorado, Boulder ensemble, which I conducted (with only the school's name mentioned in the Jordan/Holt book) is what I've been best known for in my profession. Thanks, Yunshui. 98.245.92.62 (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Larry