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khalid
-- I posted the following paragraph originally on Misconceptions2's page:


 * In reading your article Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (Banu Jadhimah), I see that you refer to sources who are later than Ibn Ishaq who also discusses this expedition. In fact, you edited out my contribution to the Khalid ibn al-Walid article where I cited Ibn Ishaq on this battle, replacing it with a modern European source. I wonder, why did you eliminate Ibn Ishaq in favor, on the one hand, of a modern European, and on the other, in favor of later Islamic sources? Neither of these seem to me improvements or even legitimate edits. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 17:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

-- Misconceptions2 replied as follows on my own talk page, before eventually deleting my contributions and his or her responses from their own talk page:


 * i did not eliminate ibn ishaq, i kept it. muslims dont consider ibn ishaq reliable (but i know thats not the point), so instead of 1 source i added 4 (both muslim and non muslim sources). i consider that an improvement.i also kept the ibn ishaq source
 * another reasons is, i dont know what ibn ishaq had to say about this expedition, i didnt read his book, i cant find previews of it on google book, i prefer to use sources which people can verify easily, i.e direct links--Misconceptions2 (talk) 18:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

--I responded to the above with the following on Misconceptions2's talk page, also now deleted.
 * Regarding sources, please see Identifying reliable sources. This does not support your preference for direct links; rather, they support "published" sources, "most commonly associated with text materials, either in traditional printed format or online (emphasis added)." I note that I have also learned something from Identifying reliable sources, specifically, "Articles should rely on secondary sources whenever possible." This generally leaves out Ibn Ishaq, whom Wikipedia reports as criticized for unreliability, as you noted; though their assertion is sourced via printed sources unavailable through links, I might add. Nonetheless I added an Ibn Ishaq paragraph to the primary sources section of Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (Banu Jadhimah). I think this is appropriate, given his historical primacy. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 19:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

--I note that Misconceptions2 has not deleted this contribution to the Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (Banu Jadhimah) article.

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 * Good point! Thanks for the feedback.  I fixed this with a couple of sources, one the academic journal Social Text, the other from the WhoSampled Web site.Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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1) .pdf URL at a specific page

After .pdf, #page=[page number]

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Weequahic Park Lake
Hi Larry, some ip address removed the Weequahic Park being the largest lake in the county of Essex and said in the summary that there are many larger ones in Essex county. Can you please revert that edit that this person made. It is the largest lake in Essex County. Thank you, Doriden (talk) 19:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Doriden -- That user commented on my "Unimpeachable" edit: "Impeached ;-) Park page is incorrect. It is not close to largest lake in Essex County. A couple, if not more, are larger, eg: https://www.lake-link.com/new-jersey-lakes/essex/canoe-brook-reservoir-number-one/325521" OK, that's an anthropogenic lake and it is named a reservoir, unlike Weequahic Lake. But Weequahic Lake is also anthropogenic, so the editor has it accurately in my view. Perhaps Weequahic Lake is the largest "Lake" not the largest lake, but that does not seem notable enough to make the distinction. Regretfully as a former Park neighbor, I must thank the editor for their correction. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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List of African American newspapers and media outlets
I've been following your edits of List of African American newspapers and media outlets with interest and curiosity. I note that the Wikipedia style article African American, which inconsistently uses both hyphenated and unhyphenated versions of the phrase throughout, includes a summary at the beginning:

However, they precede this summary with another box:

So my research indicates that both hyphenated and unhyphenated versions are stylistically valid.

Anyway, to my questions.

1. Why did you remove the hyphen in the title? Your explanation specifies "redirect consistency." But that explanation cuts in both directions. For myself, I haven't seen a reference to this article where its wikilinked title lacked a hyphen. Nor have I ever seen it unhyphenated in any other medium.

Unhyphenated, it looks like the reference is to African immigrants to the USA; not to the general population of Black people in the USA whose forebears have been out of Africa for generations.

As examples, consider Barack Obama, his father, and his wife. Had his father, a citizen of Kenya, become a naturalized USA citizen, he might be considered an African American (no hyphen). When describing Michelle Obama, the attribute is always hyphenated. Barack Obama? I think in his case it is always hyphenated as well.

2. What does "ce" mean as your explanation for your later edits to the article?

3. Why do you freqently erase the contents of your Talk page? It is valuable for other editors to understand what people have thought about your efforts. This information is of course still available by looking at earlier versions at the page's User talk:Wow, but it does require an effort that no Wikipedian should force on others. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Wow responded:
 * 1. I removed the hyphen to be consistent with African American newspapers, whose hyphen was removed by another editor a month ago.
 * 2. It means copyediting.
 * 3. I erase them for decluttering purposes. Wow (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I have now put a similar question to FloridaArmy, who removed the hyphen from African American newspapers on June 11, 2023. Previously, on February 22, 2013 (i.e., over a decade earlier), User:Schierbecker had added the hyphen. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 03:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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