User talk:Latinus~enwiki/Archive2

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between 19 February 2006 and 17 March 2006.

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say fyrom pic etc.
hello pics were taken from bulgarian version of the wikipedia article. yugo65efi


 * Please note that the user above is a sockpuppet of User:Nestore, who is currently indefinitely banned for repeatedly uploading deleted copyrighted images. I've deleted all of the images in question, which I suspect he probably uploaded to the BG Wikipedia as well. At least two of them were obvious and rather crude Photoshop jobs. -- ChrisO 01:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Latinus. (Belated) thanks for the award! My bot insisted that I put it on his own page, as he thinks it is he who does the work, so I had to oblige. :) Thanks again! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Turkish people image
I've removed it for now. Watch her revert again. --Khoikhoi 21:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Antigrafein
Swsta. Oi Skopianoi mi exontas tipota allo na e pideiksoun kai exontas lysaksei apo to kako tous panw stin apelpisia tous na mas pane kontra exoun kanei selides gemates anekdota (kakogousta) kai keimena gia gelia kai gia klamata:)) sovarotis miden. auto enantion tous einai. Ara venomen kalws. I niki tha einai diki mas...Alwste eimaste oi prwtathlites eurwpis kai autoi mia proin dimokratia, katse prwta na ginoun nyn kai ta ksanaleme:)--Makedonas 08:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your support of my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA ultimately succeeded with a final consensus of 52/1/0, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any comments regarding my editing, or I can help you at any point in the future, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you! └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello!
It is called "Zdravo!".

Look, agreement will be fine, but as I can see Miskin "excitates" too fast for an agreement... C'mon, what's the problem - there is only ROM mentioned in the texts, no "Macedonia" and stuff. My opinion is that it should stay "Portal:Macedonia". After all, the example you give with China is about a country. Greek Macedonia is a region of which you can write in "Portal:Greece". Bomac 14:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

What Pages?
You said that I vandalised pages you jackass, what pages? 82.4.232.240 20:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much, friend!
I proudly accept the Olive branch! I really don't want to quarrel with my neighbours - especially with the Greeks, no matter are they from Peloponisos, Thesalia, Makedonia or Kriti. Regards, Bomac 12:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Olive branch accepted! I really wanted to have a normal communication with you, but those Ancient Macedonians were standing between us all the time:)) Looking forward talking with you.. Bitola 12:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hybridlily
No, he/she is not an Inanna sock. Hybridlily was Inanna's best buddy though, and together they made two lovely trolls. He/she doesn't edit anymore though, and just came back to vote on the page.

Oh, by the way, let me give you an example of the kind of crap that Inanna does. This is on the Turkmen people page. She goes to some article, which says:

''Part of Turkey's claims and concern for the region lies with the native Turkomen population of northern Iraq, whom Turkish officials view as oppressed by the Kurdish parties there. Turkey has told US officials that it would feel obligated to defend endangered Turkomen - ethnic Turks - and that they should have a large say in any postwar government in northern Iraq. But while Turkish estimates put the number of Turkomen at anywhere between 3 and 5 million, US officials believe the number does not exceed 700,000. ''

And she goes for the higest number that she sees, and puts 5 million in the infobox at the Turkmen people page. She always wants to blow up statisics to make her feel that there are 20 billion Turks in the world.

Say, why don't you ever run for admin? --Khoikhoi 18:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks! We'll see what happens... ;) --Khoikhoi 00:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, we'll she if she reverts one more time though. --Khoikhoi 00:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, no - look at her contributions- look what she's doing now. --Khoikhoi 00:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

i will tell u if u don't mind:watchdog=σκύλος φύλακας ή τσοπανόσκυλο.Μην της δίνεις σημασία.there is no way that she will start a dialogue.i have called her to talk and end the dispute in the Turkish Cypriots...in vain...--Hectorian 00:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Latinus, a watchdog is a term coined by Hybridlily. "Khoikhoi's watchdogs" are people that watch over to protect me. ;) A complete list of my watchdogs can be found here. Lol, it's just a list of people that reverted to the last version by me, I don't even know them, but suddenly they become my guardians according to Hybridlily and Inanna.


 * About the vandalism, thanks a lot! 48 hours! Way to go! --Khoikhoi 01:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * How do you install it? E-mail me because I don't want you-know-who to find out. --Khoikhoi 18:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It sure is! Thank you so much!! Is there a button that you can revert all of a vandal's edits? --Khoikhoi 19:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, so you still have to click on all the user's edits manually? --Khoikhoi 19:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe. You mean the tabs, I do that all the time. ;) So wait, sould rollback be ok for what User:Ormands did yesterday, or would that be a content dispute? --Khoikhoi 20:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I see. Just did it on Swedish people. :D --Khoikhoi 20:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * So wait, if people can just install the script, what's the point of Requests for rollback privileges? --Khoikhoi 20:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hell yeah! Thanks again man. ;) --Khoikhoi 22:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, by the way, Altau's a sock of Inanna. --Khoikhoi 22:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for supporting me in my successful RFA. The admin tools will definitely be useful for dealing with vandalism more swiftly. Please drop a note on my talk page, should you have questions about any of my actions. --Aude ( talk | contribs ) 02:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
With apologies for the impersonal AWB-ness of the message... Thanks for your support on my recent request for adminship. It passed at 91/1/0, and I hope I can continue to deserve the community's trust. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you, and if I make a mistake be sure to tell me. My talk page is always open. (ESkog)(Talk) 02:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Ιντρο σεντενς στο γιουζερ πειτζ σου, ετ σέτερα.
φορ γουοτ ιτς γουορθ, ούτε μένα μ'αρεσε αυτό με το ερθ. Καλά που το άλλαξες. Θα πρέπει να ακολουθήσει τώρα και ο μόνιμος αντιγραφέας σου.

Μπαϊ δε γουεϊ, ρίξε μια ματιά στο English words of Greek origin να δείς τις αλλαγές, που μετά από ατειλείωτη συζήτηση στο τωκ πειτζ, επιτέλους έκανα. Σειρά θα πρέπει να έχει τώρα το English language. NikoSilver 12:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * ΟΚ, δεν ήθελα πάντως να αυξήσω τις λέξεις. Όμως, εξήγησέ μου: τους Αγγλοσάξονες τους καταλαβαίνω ως εθνικιστικό λόγο για έναν Άγγλο (έστω ...για μισό Άγγλο), τη διαφοροποίηση που κάνεις μεταξύ Λατίνων ή Πρωτοϊνδοευρωπαίων και Ελλήνων δεν καταλαβαίνω. Γιατί να θέλει ένας Άγγλος, να προέρχεται το λεξιλόγιό του μόνον από εκεί και όχι και από τα Ελληνικά?
 * Άσε που η συζήτηση δεν αφορούσε τους Λατίνους ή τους (υποτιθέμενους) Ινδο-Ευρωπαίους, αλλά κατά βάση τους Γάλλους, που εμφανίζονται να έχουν συνεισφέρει 26% στο Αγγλικό Λεξιλόγιο, ενώ το 70% και πλέον των λέξεων που πρόσφεραν τις είχαν πάρει από τα Ελληνικά. Άρα, γιατί να θές τα Αγγλικά να προέρχονται από τα Γαλλικά και όχι από τα Ελληνικά?


 * Με τους ακατανόμαστους έγιναν τα εξής:

Αυτά. NikoSilver 16:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Υπάρχει κάποιος που διαρκώς κάθε βράδυ τους βανδαλίζει τον τόπο (έχει πλάκα τι γράφει -δες το!).
 * 2) Ο αντιγραφέας σου, την έχει δεί ουδέτερος και όταν τον ρώτησε κάτι ο Μακεδόνας στο τωκ-πειτζ, απάντησε οτι ευχαριστεί αλλά δεν θα ξαναγράψει! (μήπως πάει για αρχιτοπίτης?)
 * 3) Ο ΚριςΟ έκανε απόπειρα να προσθέσει το φυρομ στην πρώτη παράγραφο, βάζοντας μεγαλύτερο δείκτη παραπομπής (το σήμα της παραγράφου) από το αστεράκι που είχατε αποπειραθεί νωρίτερα. Ο Πολίτης, του αναίρεσε την αλλαγή, ως μή συζητηθείσα και μή συμφωνηθείσα, παρά το οτι, λέει, ο ίδιος θα συμφωνούσε με αυτήν(!!).
 * 4) Ο Μακεντόνετς836532 (περίπου) έκανε χθές βράδυ ύπουλη μάινορ (δήθεν) αλλαγή στο μακεντονια-ριτζιον προσθέτοντας το όνομα ΡΟΜ στην πρώτη παράγραφο. Τον αναίρεσα ως ανακριβή.

Thank you!
For reverting the vandalism on my userpage. That guy just doesnt seem to learn...Thanks again!  Ban  e  z  17:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry
Next time I'll be more carefull with my "corrects" To problima einai oti den mporei na bgainoun oloi "Makedones" parapoieite i original enoia NOUMENORIAN &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.233.106.32 (talk &bull; contribs).

Thanks
lol, thanks Latinus. M o e  ε  22:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Award
Thank you for the Surreal barnstar. As for being a bureaucrat, I have to say that I do not think I would do well in the thankless job of making the decisions on hotly contested RfAs, but I appreciate your confidence in me. Keeping the statistics and lists is something I will continue to do. If you ever run across any good pages about the inner workings of Wikipedia, feel free to add them to my list (I'll be expanding beyond admin topics soon). Again, Thanks for the very nice award :-) NoSeptember   talk  01:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Why the "warning"?
I clearly didn't breach any of Wikipedia's policies, nor have I ever, so your warning was irrelevant. I am a sock puppet of an unfairly banned user. If you wish to contribute to the project, review the unfair ban. I will never be totally banned, of course, because of my access to infinite amounts of IP address. But I have never hurt Wikipedia. I am a helpful creature. 13:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC) Zordrac

I was banned for correcting horrific inaccuracies and Original Research on Port Arthur massacre. There is little more to say there. It was not a community ban, so you are incorrect there. It was an Arb Com decision, made by Longhair, the person who they should have banned instead of me. But I will leave it at that. He had more friends than me, so he got made admin while I got banned and my edits reverted. It matters little. There are more important things at hand here than this kind of nonsense from immature power trippers. Unlike others, I never hid who I was. Zordrac 13:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Unlike others, I never hid who I was." ... Under the circumstances, this might just be the most hilarious thing ever. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your reply to User:Adkagansu on my talk page. I left a message on his talk page - let me know what you think of it. --Khoikhoi 18:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll see what I can do. --Khoikhoi 19:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah don't revert again and we'lll see what happens. I remember the first time I got into a revert war with Inanna someone I didn't even know reported me. Damn snitches. ;) --Khoikhoi 21:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia (region)
To parapanw ar8ro xreiazetai th symbolh sou. Enas neos ekane terastia edits me polles swstes leptomereies. Legetai Djassos. Tou tis ekane rv o gnwstos akatanomastos giati, leei, htan proswpikh ereyna kai den eixan stoixeia. Ri3e mia matia sthn istoria ths selidas. Epishs, an den sou kanei kopo, apanta sto teleytaio mou mhnyma parapanw. NikoSilver 21:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I appreciate your compromise very much, mate. Now, I ask you; could you please help fabricate a compromise on Mehmed Pasha Sokolović? Please fully read the talk page. Your attitude on the matter and deceison would mean so much, my friend! Regards. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The problem is, he said that indirectly; so I think that we should put some more incinuations that there are no material evidence of such a thing. Mehmed is a very long dispute; please take it from the "Sources" paragraph as soon as you can. Regards. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry to interrupt, but I have to say that your attempt is pathetic. If you want to spread Serb propaganda, that has no verification, or if you want to spread fairy tales, then your place is not here. --Emir Arven 11:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

NOMEN
SAPISNE LOQUI LATINE? CUR NOMEN TIBI LATINUS?--Jondel 12:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Ethnicity means little to me. I was a Catholic Christian; so is my father. My mother is Orthodox Christian. I live now in Serbia, so I converted to Orthodox Christianity. I declare as Yugoslav, while all my ancesters were known as Vlachs. I became a Serb, when User:Emir_arven acused me of being one. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 13:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

You might notice on his talk page that I am the one who voted for the deletion of Bosniak nationalism - the article is actually offendive to the entire Bosniak nation; while I voted neutral on the deletion of Serbophobia - appearently, I am a Serb nationalist (as seen on User_talk:Emir_Arven) because I voted neutral. :D --HolyRomanEmperor 13:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

English words of Greek origin
Φίλε Λατίνε λες,


 * Μην περιμένεις να σε βοηθήσω να αυξήσεις τον αριθμό Ελληνικών λέξεων στα Αγγλικά

Διευκρινίζω ότι δεν θέλουμε να αυξήσουμε τον αριθμό Ελληνικών λέξεων σε βάρος των Αγγλικών, αλλά να διορθώσουμε τα ποσοστά των λέξεων Γαλλικής προέλευσης. Η λέξη π.χ. philosophy θεωρείται μέχρι τώρα "Γαλλικής προέλευσης" ενώ θέλουμε να την αλλάξουμε σε "Ελληνικής προέλευσης".

Αν δεις στο List of English words of French origin πολλές λέξεις όπως academy, acoustic, acrobat acrostic, alabaster, amnesty, amorous, analyse, anarchism, anarchist, anatomy, anther, anomie, apathy, apostrophe,  arcade, archetype, axiom κ.α. θεωρούνται ως Γαλλικής προέλευσης (immediate donor), ενώ είναι Ελληνικής προέλευσης (original donor).

Στα ποσοστά Loanword πιστεύουμε ότι το

French, including Old French and early Anglo-French: 28.3% έπρεπε να είναι 10%

και το Greek: 5.32% έπρεπε να είναι 20 - 25%

Πιστεύεις ακόμα ότι δεν είναι σωστό αυτό; Με ενδιαφέρει η γνώμη σου όποια και αν είναι.--Odysses 14:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Είδα τη συζήτησή σας. Δεν διαφωνούμε πουθενά ρε παιδιά, ΚΑΙ τα δύο είναι σωστά συμπεράσματα, αν ξεκαθαρίσεις με ποιόν τρόπο τα εννοείς. Δηλαδή:
 * Τα Γαλλικά ήταν πράγματι immediate donor και εισέφεραν πράγματι 28% από το λεξιλόγιό τους (ανεξάρτητα από που τελικά προέρχεται το λεξιλόγιό τους).
 * Τα Ελληνικά πράγματι είχαν δώσει στα Γαλλικά το 70% από αυτές τις λέξεις, οπότε αν δείς τον original donor, συνεισέφεραν κυρίως διαμέσου των Γαλλικών (και των Λατινικών) 20-25%
 * Ποιό είναι το πρόβλημα?

Επίσης έκανα οτι είπαμε στην προηγούμενη συζήτηση. Ρίξε μια ματιά. NikoSilver 16:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * 1.Δες τι έγραψα στο τωκ. 2.Ευχαριστώ για το αστεράκι, είναι το πρώτο μου! Αφιέρωση δεν έχει? NikoSilver 17:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Όχι, δεν βασίζoμαι σε Ελληνικά δημοσιεύματα, αλλά σε Αγγλικά λεξικά.


 * Όπως λες, συμφωνώ ότι οι λέξεις action, name , affair   δεν είναι Ελληνικής προέλευσης.


 * Όπως όμως διαπιστώθηκε στο Talk:English words of Greek origin οι λέξεις F f. Gk (French from Greek) έχουν καταχωρηθεί ως Γαλλικής προέλευσης (as immediate donor).


 * Σέβομαι πάντως αυτό που είπες για POV και δεν θα επανέρθω σε αυτό το θέμα.--Odysses 18:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Holy is a Serb from Croatia. But he purposely says in the discussion with the users that are not from the Balkans that he doesnt care for nationality. On the other hand he spread Serb propaganda. He lied for a few times about my contibution accusing me that I edited some article which I didnt visit before. I reported him for vandalism for a few times. --Emir Arven 14:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

If you want to discuss about Mehmed Pasha, then first read at least one book about his life. --Emir Arven 14:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I called him pathetic because he lied about the sources that he provided. When I checked those sources I found nothnig there. I also think that your role here is not neutral. --Emir Arven 14:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

3rr
I thought that you would understand that Holy gave source which couldnt verify his thesis. I asked him to show me the section from the book. He said that he was not able to do that. So his thesis couldnt be verified. And you reported me for 3RR. Thank you.--Emir Arven 17:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Latinus
Latinus, I invited User:Live_Forever (a great wikipedian) to solve the problem. User:Emir_Arven hates non-Bosniaks and Live is a Bosniak, so I think that even Emir will accept.

I am from now on staying away from Emir; nationalists really give me the creeps. I would advice you do the same, if you can't handle it (like me). Greetings! --HolyRomanEmperor 17:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Nikola
Nikola's mostly alright; but I was editing an article, and I allowed Greater Serbia to be inserted by some fellow-Croatian wikipedians, and he hates me because of that. :S Staying WP:NPOV is difficult, almost impossible. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Emir

 * There. He's blocked. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Koitaze akatanomastous
Mporei na xreiastei meta thn allagoula pou ekane o ektorianos. (apanta kai kamia fora sta prohgoumena mhnymata... kalo kanei...) NikoSilver 22:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Greek orthography
Thanks for restoring the Greek spellings in Adana, some vandal or vandals keeps removing them and accuses those who restore them with "vandalism" and "chauvinism". It gets pretty tiresome to keep this up, and thanks to you who help out. Carlossuarez46 01:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

portal
Geia.eidate to portal pou ekanan gia tin "proin telos pantwn xwra" tous? Mipos tha eprepe na kanoume kati gia na allaksei to onoma giati autoi to onomasan sketo portal:Macedonia? An kserete kati sxetiko me to thema enomeroste me...thanks --Makedonas 01:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
Yeah, I was suspicious myself. Perhaps if I am right this person did it to make it look like he/she is not alone in his/her point of view. Anyway, I worked it out with one of them by just letting them have their version, but I guess it's your turn. --Khoikhoi 08:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Latinus, I am glad that matter is resolved. I’ve never met the other two people nor do I know much about their identity. The reason why I modified the two articles is because I am Georgian and have a relatively clear understanding of what is going on in that region. I also wouldn’t be surprised that other two are somehow connected to the region as well (one of them for sure judging by the nick). Irakliy81 22:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Slander!
Latinos, I am really sorry to say, that you are a liar. You are occusing your opponents in sockpuppetry, when having ran out of legal arguments. There are two possibilities:

1. You are saying it sincerely. Then CHECK THE IPs and stop slandering.

2. You know very well, that it is not true, however you continue your lies just to blame your opponents.


 * Regretfully, you have made your accusation before making the check request, thus blaming you opponents just to blacken them (including me) and thus "compensate" the total lack of legal arguments. Pirveli 12:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

good point: first revert, than accuse
--tasc 19:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Why are you insisting about a false redaction, Mr Latinus ?
The redaction you are sticking on concerning the role played by the Reconstruction of the scribe's movements in the solving of the Direction of Reading problem in the case of the Phaistos Disc, is wrong : It's not J.Faucounau's proposed reconstruction which would require an inwards direction, but the numerous epigraphical facts (that anyone may observe) which have lead to the proposed reconstruction. So, please, stop this stupid editwar. (User 80.90.57.154, 20:00, 27 February 2006)

IAR
I would agree this is a case for sprotection, if only to impress on 80.90 that prolongued logged-out debates are not good wikiquette; his Rose-mary account may be old enough to allow him to still edit the article, encouraging him to choose and stick with one identity. In any case I am far too involved in this to decide on sprotection, but you are welcome to do it :) dab (&#5839;) 20:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, the problem is, I don't posses the means to semi-protect and even if I did, I'd be too involved. Anyway, if the IP reverts again, it'll be a 3RRvio; if Rose-mary reverts two more times, it'll be a 3RRvio, so keep hoping ;-) The problem is, that he seems to have other accounts; what we do need is a WP:RCU - I think I'll make one (unless one's already been made). --Latinus 20:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW I'm sure if you requested semi-protection, explained the circumstances and reminded uninvolved sysops of IAR and that what we're supposed to be doing here is writing an encyclopaedia, it may work - who knows? They're more likely to grant it if you request it than I or Septentrionalis. --Latinus 20:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * that would be a good way. oops, not anymore, I'd have to request a user check on you now :p seriously, we don't really need it. 3RR is good enough, and 80.90 does show prepared to compromise, it's just very tedious to cut through all the ranting to get there. dab (&#5839;) 21:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

My final good-byes
Hello Latinus. I came to tell all my friends, yes, that means you, that I am leaving Wikipedia. Thank you for being so kind to me during my stay on Wikipedia. I hope to speak with you again someday. M o e  ε  06:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for supporting my successful request for adminship. I'll try to put the admin tools to good and responsible use. If I do anything wrong you know where to find me. Raven4x4x 07:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Forget about the 1 month, how about in two weeks? :D --Khoikhoi 07:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia (region)/Archive 2
Please take a look at it. NikoSilver 12:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I did put it in the talk page.
I posted that I was going to merge two sections that both talked about facilities at Texas A&M, and that's what I did. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.194.179.96 (talk &bull; contribs).

If I understood correctly - you were asking for opinion of S on G; right? (that "poveceto" was slightly confusing me). --HolyRomanEmperor 18:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Въпрос
It's generally considered that Serbian culture kept little from the Slavic homeland of White Serbia - but that since the melting of the Rascian culture into Byzantine - it has been a derivation of the Greek culture, actually. Greek history is standardly learned in S. in full detail from the Ancient Era to the Second World War (but not further...)

The Greeks created both the Glagollitic & Cyrillic - so there's no more need in explaining the linguistics, is there? :)

The united liberational Balkan Wars are touched with special care - when George the Black fled to Greece to join the Pelopponesian rebellion & the Serbo-Greek (unsuccessful) attempt of (re)storing the Byzantine Federation (not Empire :) with Istanbul becoming Constantinopolis/Цариград. Unfortunatly, it is said that Greece dishonered the 500 year friendship-pact in the First World War by staying neutral to the very last point - in 1917. But, it is also said that Venizelos explained that by acusing the crown of colaboration with the Germans (because the ruling family was the German Oldenburg-Glucksburg family). After the end of the Second World War - it is said that all allied fate was sealed - with one civilization falling to the Communist Eastern Bloc and the other to the Capitalist American Bloc. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No comments? :)


 * P. S. User:Emir_Arven has been given a three-day block to chill off. I hope that he becoms cooperative after that. Regards! --HolyRomanEmperor 21:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Your turn.
Your turn to restore the deleted paragraph in Evil. (The person who deletes the paragraph has logged in, and I have asked him to explain what it is he objects to.) Rick Norwood 22:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thank you for voting on my RfA, it passed with a final tally of 68/0/0 so I'm now an administrator. If there's anything I can do to help, you feel I've done something wrong, or there's just something you want to tell, don't hesitate to use my talk page. Thanks. - Bobet 10:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
The reason for that is obvious. Vojvodina has replaced Kosovo as the heart of Serbian culture and for the next 500 years (to this very day) has been a part of Serbian cultural heritage - the Patriarch of Peć was moved to the Sremski Karlovci, and Novi Sad became the largest Serbian city in the world. The region in time became known as Serbian Dukedom (Vojvodina is Duchy in English). The reasons for Vojvodina's autonomy are historical (see History of Vojvodina). Next to it - Serbs might be the largest nation of Vojvodina - but the Serbian government decided to keep the centuries old tradition of multiethnicism - and despite the overwhelming Serbian majority - Vojvodina is now a conglomerate of six equal nations: Serbs, Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, Croats and Ruthenians. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

RFAR
I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: RFAR. I have listed you as a party involved. Bitola 14:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Confused
Hi, when I was on Wikipedia today, I was told that I have new messages. I have an account where I am registered as Laursch. When I checked my messages today (I did not log in), I must have gotten someone else's messages, because I was accused of vandalising Adolf Hitler's article, as well as other articles. I have never vandalised any articles. How did this happen?

Anglo-American
Thank you; I have been equally stubborn about people changing British to American. Custom on this is WP:MoS. Septentrionalis 21:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Came back
lol, sorry to interupt the message you sent to me about how much you will miss me, but I just came to the decision of a semi-wikibreak rather than a full-on leave. Thanks though, lol. I laughed so hard seeing another good-bye message sent to me, I recieved so many. Thanks again. M o e  ε  22:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

helios
Auto to neo kapritsio ton skopianon na baloun ton ilio tis verginas sto mizero arthro tous den prepei na perasei me kamia dynami. Ego den mporo na eimai synexeia edo gia na tous parakoloutho, opote tha xreiastoume megali ypostiriksi. Katalabaineis. Miskin 08:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

portal:Macedonia
This portal name, insults all Macedonians in Greece, and makes problem bigger. STOP FYROM's PROPAGANDA IN WIKIPEDIA.--Makedonas 11:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks again for your olive branch. The case I set on the Wp:rfar is basically a sum of all my thoughts posted on the Talk pages and related to the naming convention policy. I thought that ArbCom can neutrally judge whether this initiative is justified or not and we will soon see if the case is going to be accepted or rejected, anyway, I hope we will stay friends despite all. Bitola 12:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Latinus and all contributors. I am afraid that I have just discovered a straight forward and potentially worrying (but hardly surprising) explanation regaridng the said portal and those articles linked to it. Please allow me until tomorrow (or later today) to compose the facts of the situation. Thank you, efxaristo, blagodaram. Politis 16:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to feel frightened, because I created the portal, but I have no secret plot/agenda behind that, as far as I know:)) Lets see what so important user:Politis has to tell (by the way the arbitration case is not directly related to the portal, rather to the Macedonia disambiguation pages and the article about my country)Bitola 17:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear Monastiri, I write here because I know you are watching this page. I think you opened Aeolus' bags. Believe me... everything we do is related to everything else that happens. In life and in wikipedia. NikoSilver 20:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The response is on the Никола talk page (as suitable place for that) Bitola 12:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems that you are fast at changing your mind: ''Whatever - I won't push to have it renamed. --Latinus 12:21, 22 February 2006'' (UTC):[] Bitola 13:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Emir :(
I really tried to play nice with him. I mean, he acused User:Millosh - one of the most neutral wikipedians - of being a Serb. He also did that to me. He also uses vulgar language like f*** the land which hasn't got Bosnia - I don't want to seam like I'm running around sueing the guy to other wikipedians; but I just simply do not know what to do. Could you advice me, please? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I haven't
...spoken to you in a while, so I'll come by with a simple "γειάσου" from your friend, εγκυκλοπαίδεια!



Take care, ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  21:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the barnstar, I'll treat you to two:



Até logo! ε γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
S'efharisto gia to barnstar file!:)i alitheia einai oti me eknevrise poli,ma perissotero me stenoxwrei pou yparhoun toso stenomualoi anthrwpoi...--Hectorian 11:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

koita to hel.taxudr. sou--Hectorian 12:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Nah
Well, I've given up totally on Emir. Me & Live have taken over the Mehmed pasha Sokolović article so everything is back to normal. I'll try to stay away from him - hopefully that will close all dispoutes.

Now, I am interested in this dispute that you have over the Macedonian portal. What seems to be the problem? --HolyRomanEmperor 16:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Monastiri
An exeis xrono voitha me na diatiriso ta edits mou sto arthro Bitola. Mexri to 1913 auti i poli legotan episimos "Monastiri" apo Ellines, Tourkous kai ksenous omoios. "Bitola" simainei monastiri sta Slavika. Oi skopianoi opos vlepeis prospathoun na to kripsoun, kai den thelei kai poly eksipnada gia brei kaneis ton logo. Prepei na fygo kai den exo xrono na ton ntantepso. An mporeis, analabe. Xairetismous. Miskin 17:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

From this moment you can consider that our short friendship is over. Bitola 17:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems fine at the moment.an to xanaallaxoun tha sundramw!--Hectorian 17:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, smt. similar. Glad you know the Slavic languages :-) Bomac 17:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It's Бомак (Bomak). Bomac 17:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

How what did you do, ALL DAY you are working against my country, starting with your initiative for the renaming of the portal (despite that you already said on the Bomac talk page that you will not push that), then you continue with making notes to my thoughts on the deletion page and now you are involving in a totally unnecessary edit war in Bitola article. Sorry, but I cannot consider that as an act of friendship, friends do not do such a things to each other. Bitola 18:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Your Macedonian/Bulgarian mixture is real fun:), but you are a rich person when you know more languages (I wish to knew Greek..). Don’t be angry to Bomac, he was probably annoyed by the latest edit war around the Bitola article, and, to be honest, I’m also tired of the whole situation there. It is really sad that we cannot reach consensus about one so meaningless issue like the origin of one single name (oops, I almost forgot about what we are disputing for years:)) I should finally take my so-called extended wikibreak, I’m really exhausted. Bitola 17:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Linguistic notes
Yes, there is no such letter in Macedonian.

Anyway, it is a half-voiced letter (полуглас), and it's name is Ер (Er). It is derived from Old Church Slavonic. It can be also found in Russian language (a language which has a big influence on Bulgarian). It is pronounced like the last part of the. Bomac 18:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * As much as Russian has influenced Bulgarian (plus Russian was based on Old Church Slavonic), that is not even close to the amount of germanic/latin loan words from English currently in use in Macedonian. Pretty sad when a group of people decides they should start enouraging the use of foreign words because their language otherwise will sound all too similar to the one in a neighboring country. FunkyFly 18:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

FunkyFly, your statement doesn't holds water (не држи вода :-)). It is a common process in all Slavic languages (Serbian, Slovakian, Slovenian, Polish etc.). Bomac 18:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

And, Latinus, yes - it is similar and there is the same "r" in Macedonian and Bulgarian. I don't know why are you separating Bulgarian. You know, the Slavic languages have many common characteristics. The Slavic language group can be seen from the same perspective as the Greek one, with the difference that it is spoken in many varieties (Greek dialects) in different countries (Greek regions). Bomac 18:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Macedonia
Hmm... What is wrong with "Portal:Republic of Macedonia". Isn't it satisfactionary to all parties? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * But that's... why? Who percisely opposes? Could I lend a hand in the dispute? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested help
I'll check it out. Btw, 1 more week...when do you think it's your turn? --Khoikhoi 01:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Naming issues
Hi Latinus, I see you're involved in some naming disputes again. I haven't voted on your Portal:Macedonia issue so far (but thanks for notifying me), and now I see you and Miskin have taken up the question of cross-border placenames like Bitola/Monastiri. What are your views on this, do you see any chance of forming a proper policy on such matters? I remember I once saw the same conflict over Turkish names for Aegean islands, with Greek editors objecting to the addition of the foreign name in much the same way as the Macedonians now object to the Greek ones (see Talk:Samothrace and the edit history of the article.) These repetitious debates are really boring, there should be some way to end them. (I'm mostly in favour of including names, personally.) Lukas (T. 14:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments! I think I'll personally keep out of the Macedonian portal issue for now, but perhaps I'll keep an eye on the cross-border naming issues, comparing people's stances at different borders and looking out for some proper guideline. See you around, Lukas (T. 15:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S., re: Ottoman Empire, if you mean the question of maps, that should (in theory) be easy to resolve by looking at proper reference works. I personally have no knowledge of these issues. Of course, there may have been fuzzy boundaries at times - just think of the Arabian desert, if you have control over the ports on the coast and (maybe) claim nominal sovereignty over all the deserts inland, does that mean you actually have sovereignty? There may also be the issue of semi-autonomous local rulers of various degrees of factual independence, I'd guess. Again, I seem to remember something about the Arabian coastal emirates that would suggest some fuzziness in that area. - So, an accompanying text might have to comment on this a bit. But in general, the issue should be settled simply by proper attribution of sources, shouldn't it? I have a historical atlas somewhere, maybe I can scan a map tomorrow and see what extents they show. Lukas (T. 15:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop it!
Stop it right now! Continuing you will only help the anti-romanian users. I will revert your work. --Stefan cel Mare 16:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you! Ian13/talk 19:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Romanian language
Romanian language is spoken about 26-30 millions people in the world. It is not spoken only in Romania I hope you do realize this?!

If in the articles it is written that in one country is one language (e.g. Romanian for Romania and Moldovan language for Moldova) then it's a false and must be corrected. You have to understand this. There are 3 things that may cover the truth:

1. indifference

2. escapism

3. ...  till next time if ever. Stefan cel Mare 19:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Xello
Geia xara. Ontws imoun ligo ipervolikos proxthes sorry, eixa syxgystei. egina poly roba? o chris eipe oti ta sxolia mou itan aksiothrinita:) les na tou zitisw signwmi? telos pantwn. eytyxws exoume karnavali edw, fetos ginetai xamos kai pername teleia:)

ston mpomak den lene tipota spoudaio. o monastiris tou leei oti oi ellines mplextikan sti selida tis polis tou. (pantws auta einai swsta: sta voulgarika obitel simenei moni kai oi slavoi metefrasan to Monastiri se Bitola- oi idioi oi skopianoi to lene).

Oso afora to ъ einai lariggiko san ton ixo pou kaneis otan se pnigoun.Sta ellinika mporei na metafrastei kai san a, o, u. Oi skopianoi to exoun vgalei apo tin "alphavito" tous kai gia paradeigma i ellada sta voulg.=Гърция(gurtsia) sta skop.=Грциja (oi skopianoi ekanan to я=ja gia pio latiniko) to eimai sta voulg.=съм(sum)) sta skop.=сум kai paei legontas.oti alli aporia exeis rwta.

tha sou grapsw ena mail na mou stelneis stin elliniki sou selida alla molis to deis svisto kalytera.ta leme..--Makedonas 20:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not Skopianoi, it's Makedonioi... Bomac 10:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Re sy aytoi exoun lyssa3ei! (opws blepeis kai apo panw) Yparxei sobaro problhma kai sto ar8ro gia olh thn perioxh (3ereis poio). Kapoios prose8ese ola ta an8ellhnika arxaia quotes kai afairese ola ta filellhnika kai gia oti afhse zhtaei e3akribwsh. Den mporw na 3anakanw epanafora, 8elw boh8eia (to eipa hdh kai ston ektoriano). NikoSilver 13:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks!itan o prwtos kanonas pou ematha...mporei na xefeugw ligo ston kanona 'personal attacks' (otan prokaloumai panta!),alla ton 3RR ton prosexw idiaitera...Min anhsuxeis,apo afto den kinduneuw;)pithanon na exw kapoies apories sti sunexeia...alla xerw oti tha voithiseis...--Hectorian 15:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sygxarhthria gia thn epilogh ths taktitkhs tou "kix" sto 8ema tou arbitration. Sorry pou amfevala, h empeiria metraei! NikoSilver 15:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Kai pou na deis otan 8a etoimasw thn aithsh gia metonomasia sto onoma tou ohe (kafalaia h prohgoumenh le3h). 8a se symbouleytw nwritera bebaia he-he-he! Bale mou se parakalw mia afierwsoula sto asteraki mou. Einai to prwto mou kai den 8a h8ela na meinei orfano...NikoSilver 15:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Na eisai sigouros oti 8a to timhsw to brabeio sou. S'eyxaristw poly kai mhn anhsyxeis... 1 8a melethsw poly kala prin kai 2 8a se symbouleytw outws h' allws...NikoSilver 16:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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Kuriws empnefstika apo ton tropo me ton opoio proseferes to surreal barnstar...hehe--Hectorian 17:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

dikio exeis.eprepe na to proseksw kalutera prin to kanw revert...sorry for interumping u to deal with that--Hectorian 20:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of my RfA
Thank you for your support of my successful request for adminship. I am honoured that the nomination was supported unanimously and that the community expressed confidence that I would use the tools wisely. If you have any concerns please let me know on my talk page. Regards A Y  Arktos 01:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Greek grammar
Hi, good job. I've commented on the article talk page. Looks like a nice new project for me to join, thanks for notifying me. Count me in. Lukas (T. 14:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. Sorry, I must have forgotten to press Save, my comments on the article talk page haven't stuck... :-( More later! Lukas (T. 15:19, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've started tentatively assembling some material for the "verbs" section in my user space at User:LukasPietsch/GreekGrammar. Have a look! Lukas (T. 19:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Good. I'm also preparing corresponding tables for the other verb classes, but I want to make them smaller, more compact, to avoid repetition and to make it less confusing. Also still trying to find a way of fitting in the gerund/participle. Please feel free to edit in my user page, or just copy whatever you like into the article and tell me when you've done so. Lukas (T. 19:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

well done. I must admit I am quite innocent of any knowledge of Modern Greek, so I'll just, like, read your article. dab (&#5839;) 15:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for advertisement.  D iyako Talk + 17:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for barnstar.

About Kurdistan case, you should think twice. Taiwan and Kurdistan is not the same case.

Anyway, thanks for barnstar.--TuzsuzDeliBekir 18:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Latinus, sorry to bother you - but could you act as the Third Party on ? I asked Khoikhoi, but he's too busy. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

All right Latinus.If there is no cabal, thanks.But you should write why did you gave it to me...Inanna 19:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive
Hey Latinus, I recently nominated the Republic of Macedonia article as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. The drive is a great way to get articles up to Featured Article Status and I thought you would be interested. I hope you will take the time to visit the AID and vote for Republic of Macedonia! Below is the comment I wrote when I nominated the article. --Caponer 20:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia makes an excellent candidate for the Article Improvement Drive because it is very close to reaching featured article status in both content and layout. I feel as if we should always be focusing on articles that only require minor adjustments and additions in the AID instead of those that need complete and total reworking, and this is one that will only require a week to make the small adjustments required. Macedonia deserves a spotlight since it is poised to become a member state of the European Union and is a state that we will be hearing much more about in the news in the years to come. Its location adjacent to Albania and Kosovo will also make it a player in the upcoming debate over Kosovo's independence movement. I just feel it will be a fabulous choice and I hope you will think so, too. --Caponer 17:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)"

Efxaristo pou mou to thimises!
To eixa ksexasi!!! Kai xana-Efxaristo!!!!!!!


 * Episis xreiazome ti boh8eia sou sto ar8ro gia thn arxaia makedoniki glossa.


 * Giati ekanes anastrofi ston Ektoriano? Kai giati afti i ekdohi ine POV.?


 * Alithia, mipos mporis na kanis esi tis mikres allayes pou xriazete kai na mini i ekdosi tin opia kai eixa kani arxika ego? Boris na grapsis oti oi perisoteri akadimaiki pistevun oti itan Elliniki dialektos? Apantise mou parakalo. --Asteraki 21:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia (region)
Sure, always glad to help. :-D M o e   ε  00:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Any time, I'll keep an eye on it. M o e   ε  00:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I checked and it just looked like the user moved the info farther down. Good luck on your exam! --Khoikhoi 00:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I re-wrote question #1 and #3 and I'll send them to you later. --Khoikhoi 00:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Btw, I'm thinking of going with the Category:Pashtun tribes one. It's not the creation of the category that I'm proud of but, my cleanup of all the articles in it. --Khoikhoi 00:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
So i'm giving you the roses of Inanna, here...

Inanna 00:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) Inanna 23:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)



RFA Thanks
P.S. If you are interested in The Beatles, User:Lar has asked me to tag on a little note advertising the creation of a new Beatles WikiProject that we are currently setting up. Please sign up and help.

Request at WP:RFCU
Hey Latinus, I removed your entry at WP:RFCU. I removed it because it's pretty obvious thier sockpuppets since he admitted it at Macedonia (region)'s talk page. I reported the confession from the sock at WP:AN and I asked for someone to review thier edits and see if he should be permanently blocked. M o e  ε  03:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Greek language
Bravo!ekanes kali douleia sto arthro Greek grammar.diorthwsa 2-3 orthografika.--Hectorian 08:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I suppose you've seen I've done some more stuff on the Greek grammar article. Hope you don't mind my changing those tables? I was trying to condense them a bit. See you, Lukas (T. 22:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
Des edw gia plhrh analysh tou en logw 8ematos. NikoSilver 09:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

?
Па где си? --HolyRomanEmperor 11:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, :) you didn't have to tell me that - if you want to remain global. I was wondering why did you not respond to my Mediation request (to you) regarding the article. - I wanted you to act as the Third Person. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support in my RfA
Just wanted to drop a quick note — nothing fancy! — to say thanks for your vote of confidence in my recent request for adminship. As you might have noticed it was unsuccessful; most objections related to my lack of experience. While I disagree that nearly 4000 edits, whether spread over two months or ten, constitutes a lack of experience, I respect the vote and will try again at a later date. I'm disappointed that I won't be able to help out in the meantime as much as I could with admin access, but again I appreciate your support and hope I'll have it the next time I am nominated. &rArr; BRossow T/C 18:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW
...Calling me "glup" won't do the trick. Do you know that's a personal attack? Do you know that part of Wikipedia?

And did you understand the sentence completely? Caus' if you do, I think that you'll know what's it's meaning. And - you are wrong about "ednostaven". Cheers, Bomac 20:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Never mind what it means (it's not smt. "violent"). Let's say that I believe in your excuse. Cheers, Bomac 21:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

"Philhellen" = "Greek Patriot"
Latine, des ti apanthsa ston Septentrionalis sto Talk:Greeks. Ta idia pros8esa kai sto Philhellenism opote eykola ki wraia stelneis opoiondhpote allo amfisbhtia prokypsei na dei to ar8ro. ;-) NikoSilver 21:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

check your mail(PS den einai kati viastiko).kai kati asxeto...eisai vlahos?--Hectorian 22:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

sorry,but all i received is:'Áõôü ôï Ýäùóá óôçí ÉíÜííá ãéáôß äå èÝëù íá ôçí Ý÷ù å÷èñü' and so on...:( isws kati paizei me tous ellhnikous xaraktires sto browser sou...i do not know.Do u wanna try again?maybe using latin characters or in english?--Hectorian 23:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

metafrasi
Den kserw an katalaves ti eipe o mpomak ston monastiri- egw tha sou metafrasw pantws:''geia sou monastiri, opoio kai na einai to apotelesma apo ti diaitisia gia to portal emeis den prepei na epitrepsoume na allaksei to onoma, oso kai na theloun oi ellines. S auto den yparxei tipota kako gia tis alles perioxes. Autos o "pyretos" pou ton epiase ton xristi makedona grigora tha tou perasei (autos esteile minimata ston miskin, theathine kai allous ellines xristes gia na megalosoun tin propaganda kata tis fyrom kai sxetika gia to monopolio sto onoma. xeretismata. mpomak 2 martiou''--Makedonas 22:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

sxedon mia xara ta eipes:)))egw se katalava pantws..--Makedonas 23:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

na sai kala vre latine pou panta me kathisixazeis:)) den kserw tous kanones edw giauto anisixw.

o mpomak leei oti o latinus tha katalavei mallon auta pou tha pw oti oi ellines apo ekdikisi allazoun to arthro gia tin poli tou monastiriou kai oti tetoioi pou eimaste aporei pos mas evalan stin EE. ta katalaves auta kai tzama metafrazw mipos?:)--Makedonas 23:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Otan o "skopianos metanastis stis nees xwres" egrafe oti i Kozani vgenei apo ti slaviki leksi koza = derma itan poly kala. twra pou leme oti i bitola einai metafrasi apo to monastiri eimaste oi kakoi...--Makedonas 23:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

diorthwse. ti me rwtas? an mporeis vale kai tin discussion page se arxeia na mikrinei ligo.

Evropeiski sujus kai unija einai to idio pragma(to 2o einai pio latinogenes). esy pou ta ksereis ta BG. exeis paei Sofia?

you've got mail--Hectorian 00:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

kane mou mia xari:koita to link pou edwse sto List of massacres.ektos tou oti mou fainetai broken,to site afto den einai axiopisto,etsi den einai?thanks--Hectorian 16:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

To exw idi kanei...Alla den mporw na kanw alli anastrofi...an mporeis exe to nou sou,giati an aftin xanakanei,tha paraviasei ton kanona--Hectorian 17:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Arianitr and Gostivar/Gostivari
Hi Latinus, this user is a problem. Gostivari was earlier a POV fork he tried to make, after a lot of revert-warring at Gostivar. It was speedily deleted by User:William M. Connolley only today, and now he recreated it right away. He was doing the same thing with Arvanites &gt; Arvanit. He also left very incivil messages both on my and on Bitola's talk pages, and wrote me an insulting E-Mail. I spent all of my lunch break trying to tidy up after him. :-( --Lukas (T. 15:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help around the Gostivar article.Bitola 16:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your comments, but I'm sorry, my "good faith" only goes so far. And this is not a case of Newbie Biting, he's been around for a while longer, as anon IP. Look at the sad story at User:LukasPietsch/Arianitr. Lukas (T. 17:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, and thank you for your moderating intervention over at Ancient Macedonian language etc. - although I must say for my taste of NPOV you kept a bit too much of Politis' polemics in the "compromise" version of the Graeco-Armenian article; I've reverted that to dab's version for the time being. Lukas (T. 22:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

My email
Hey, did you ever get my latest email? --Khoikhoi 00:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I just replied. Check your inbox. --Khoikhoi 22:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Check your email. --Khoikhoi 23:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Replied. --Khoikhoi 23:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, sure. :( --Khoikhoi 23:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

esy ti eisai o prostaths toy (Na mhn to pw alliws)? kai sthn telikh symvoylh toy edwsa. kai stamata na to paizeis ellhnofwnos/ellhnas h de kserw ti allo afoy sixainesai thn ellada apo osa deixneis, doyreie ippe. k den mporw na katalavw pws epitrepetai ston kathe propagandisth (apo opoia apo tis dyo pleyres) na exei to nicknake "macedonia", enas asxetos apo trith xwra otan vlepei oti o user legetai "macedonia" katey8eian pistevei oti oti kai na leei aytos einai alh8eia. poy einai to NPOV ths wikipedia? poy8ena..

katarxhn eipa you to you einai geniko, opws aytos kanei epithesh se olh thn ellada etsi kai egw to you to kanw geniko, gia oloys toys omoioys toy. kai nai ayta poy leei ta pistevei, opws o toyrkos poy enw exei ellhnika xarakthristika kai katagwgh leei oti einai toyrkos kai pote de tha ginei ellhnas akoma kai an kathe mera toy les "agori moy ksereis, oi syggeneis soy to 1500, 1600 etc eginan moysoylmanoi gia ton tade h to dhna logo, ayto shmainei oti eisai ellhnas ktl" pote de tha to dextei ayto kai tha thelei panta na pethanei ws toyrkos. etsi kai aytos didakthke na einai "makedonas mh ellhnas" kai etsi tha pethanei otan gerasei. kai kati allo esy doyleia den exeis kai asxoleisai me to page toy macedonia, ayto periergo moy fainetai (vlepe doyreios ippos)? kai ksanarwtw epitrepetai na xrhsimopoioyntai eyais8hta nick toy typoy "macedonia" gia propaganda apo th mia pleyra? ayta ta nick de tha eprepe na mhn epitrepetai na xrhsimopoioyntai? NPOV psofhse?

to voylwses e? kammia atakitsa etoimh den exeis? e ti nomizeis mono vlakes den yparxoyn ston kosmo. "ellhna"

Comment and revert
Afto skeftika kai egw molis eida ton logo tis anastrofis tou,kai gi'afto ekana revert.eimai periergos ti that apantisoun sto sxolio sou,kai pistevw oti kapoios apo mas that tous pei oti an to pistevoun pragmatika,giati aporiptoun ti lexi 'slav' alla theloun to monopoleio tis dikis mas.--Hectorian 21:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course!
Physika kai tha ton voithisw...:)tin epomeni fora pou tha anastrafei,tha to kanw egw.sorry,alla imoun apasxolimenos na anastrefw arthra pou allaxe kapoios anwnymos prin(des contributions)--Hectorian 22:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

me prolaves stin teleftaia!--Hectorian 22:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

finalmente..
apo ola poy eipa ayto katalaves?...AAAAAAAAAa h oysia gia na teleiwnoyme einai, k-a-n-e-n-a-s den exei mia sygkrimenh ethnikh syneidhsh gia "plaka". h ethnikh syneidhsh einai mia kai 99,99999999% den allazei. opote to na anarwtiesai h na tsakwnesai me toys "makedones mh ellhnes" gia to ti einai h den einai den paizei kanena rolo, giati poly apla ayto poy pistevoyn oti einai, einai h idia toys h yparksh. anthrwpos xwris patrida einai nekros anthrwpos. oytws h allws allages syneidhsewn kai ekswterikes politikes de ginontai sto internet, oso kai fyromians na toys les/lete/lene aytoi makedones mh ellhnes tha noiwthoyn. pare kai mia ypografoyla poy saresei kiolas :) --Feta 23:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Hey, how is it going? Thank you for supporting my Request for adminship! It passed with a final vote of 73/1/1, which means that I have been granted adminship! I look forward to using these tools to enhance and maintain this wonderful site. I will continue regular article/project contributions, but I will also allocate a sizable portion of my wikischedule toward administrative duties :) Thanks again, and if you have any questions/comments/tips, please let me know! &mdash; Deckiller 04:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Take a look
you may be interested on this (under: Paraklisis)--Odysses 15:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

afto tha ekana outws i allws:-).koita kalutera,exei idi paraviasei ton kanona...--Hectorian 17:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

ok,kanena provlima.eidopoihse me kai pes mou ti na kanw akrivws--Hectorian 17:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

mporw na kanw mono alli mia anastrofi pros to paron...mipws tha mporoures na kaneis esu?--Hectorian 20:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

check your mail pls--Hectorian 20:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

asdf
An thes parakoloutha oso leipo to Islam in Greece. Enas typos prospathei na perasei orgeia. Miskin 17:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

?
aaa... be though mad for something? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets?
user 61.195.9.220 and user Realek signed up today and speak with one (obstructive voice) on Macedonia (ethnic group). politis

Comment
I don't know what's the reason for your edits at template Bomac-1, but thanks anyway :-) Bomac 18:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

re: btw
Ok. --Khoikhoi 20:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: languages
Actually, the Serbo-Croatian language still exists, both officially and in reality, and quitte a mass of the people declare that it is their official language. The Montenegrin language, on the other hand, is unrecognized. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarians and the Second Balkan War
Well, how should I put it - The outcome of the war is named in the Bulgarian historiography The first national catastrophy, and yes, there are still people in Bulgaria getting excited about it and yes, many people do not think Greek politics were fair neither in the Renaissance, nor in the Balkan wars, nor in the First World War, nor after WWII.

I can give you a counter example - the Russians, who liberated North Bulgaria from the Turks had the grace to leave, after abolishing the Ottoman rule, so in every town in Bulgaria there are streets, squares and monuments, named after them, and this hasn't changed even after half century of communist dictatorship, imposed by Moscow. So maybe Greece had its chance to leave a good impression in the collective Bulgarian mind, but somehow didn't do it.

Maybe there are numerous reasons for a similar attitude in Greece towards Bulgaria, the Bulgarian authorities for exapmle commiting atrocities during the periods of occupation during the wars, but if we are going to search for guilt, we would be stuck with unproductive vendetta for centuries. It's the Christian way to forgive and move forward.

Me, personally, I don't care for that period - what I care is that so called Slavophones have their civil rights intact (having the right to chose their names for example), because my view is that if you grant to everyone his civil rights, and his POV, then the world is a much better place to live (see Wikipedia as an example).

I am not going to search for skeletons in the closet. But if people are not let to see their relatives in Greece, because their birth place is written in their passports with its Bulgarian name and not the Greek one, this is little over the top, I think, or just have been returned from the border with no explanation or with explanation that they are potential imigrants (we are generally talking about 70+ old people), then this makes me think that the Greek state feels some kind of guilt, which it must explain to its own citizens. Actually I cannot believe anyone can be afraid of a small ethnic minority, living in the most peripherial parts of the state.

Anyway, with the EU coming and the Bulgarian citizens receiving the same rights as Greeks to enter and move around Greece, as well as the same civil rights, I think everything will be solved smoothly, so I am not worried.

I hope I answered your question about the general attitude in Bulgaria ? ;-) --Komitata 14:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Epeigon (SOS)
Xriazome-aste ti voithia sou, giati apo oti eida kseris kalitera galika apo oti ego! Koita, to arthro afto exi protathi distixos, meta apo kapies diorthosis pou ekana, gia diagrafi: Macédoine grecque.
 * Se parakalo voithise kai kane oti mporis gia na min diagrafi!!!! --84.164.207.72 19:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Trabzon
Some admin protected it, but I really think that we should conform to other articles and list the alternate names in the opening paragraphs, like the Gdańsk article for example. What do you think? Btw I voted. --Khoikhoi 23:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I'm not really sure anymore. I think we should use the Gdansk article as an example and include the Greek name in the 1st paragraph. --Khoikhoi 00:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, and this is not just a historical matter, let's not forget about the Pontian Greeks! Let's ask User:Macukali on what he thinks about it, as he's an expert on the subject. --Khoikhoi 00:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

vandal?
Why are you vandalizing rajput pages? Do you know anything about rajputs? Has someone asked you to do the reverts? This is illegal behavior. +10 000 thundering typhoons 07:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)+

rv & fr
Ta 8ele o k... tou, s'aresan oi parapompes mou gia th synafeia tous? Ti 8es na kanw me to mhnyma pou elaba gia to galliko? Eida oti emplekesai (ki ekei). Dhmourghsa logariasmo xrhsth prin ligo. Katey8yne me an 8es na pshfisw. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 11:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Apanthsa sto twk, alla den nomizw oti mporw na epanaferw mhpws pare3hgh8ei oti einai trith fora. Kanto esy, h' have it kanto. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 12:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Tha kanw o,ti mporw...arkei na ftasoun oi 3 epanafores pou exw--Hectorian 20:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

ok.an xanakanei...karfwma!--Hectorian 20:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, don't worry, I won't violate 3RR rule ;-) Bomac 20:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

entaxei,arkei na min to paratravixoun...;-)--Hectorian 21:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

e,entaxei!;-)eisai foveros!to 'good humour' vraveio einai gia panta diko sou!--Hectorian 22:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Alternative names
Ethnologue does say that in Greece it is called "Slavic". I don't think this should be censored, it is a fact that can be backed up with sources. It's not like we're changing the article title to "Slavic language of Macedonia", you're just stating the alternate name, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I was a bit uncertain, however, of your edit to the dab note, saying that the Ancient Macedonian language was not Slavic. Does everyone agree on this?

What I think you should do is say something like, "known in Greece as "Slavic"", or something like that, which makes it more clear. If Ethnologue says it I don't see anything wrong with adding it to Wikipedia.

No, I don't think you are adding POV to articles. Based on the comments on the related talk pages by Macedonian editors, they seem to be a bit mad at you however. :p But I've edited Tibet-related articles and the Free Tibet people get mad at User:Ran all the time. See Talk:Inner Mongolia for example. In my opinion it takes awhile for people to figure out what NPOV truly means - taking everyone's thoughts into consideration no matter how outrageous they are. I'm sure you already know that. ;) Ran has taught me early on what NPOV meant and I began to realize that even though the Chinese appointed a fake Panchen Lama, we still have to mention that and treat it the same as the Tibetan one appointed by the Dalai Lama.

These are just my thoughts. Although in my opinion I think the whole Macedonia issue is a bit silly, it needs to be worked out between the Greeks and the non-Greek Macedonians. --Khoikhoi 00:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help
Your help is needed on Adana. I've tried to talk with the guy but to no avail. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 01:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Arg, your help is really needed here. --Khoikhoi 08:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sure. Like what? --Khoikhoi 08:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, but of course. :) --Khoikhoi 08:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * But you still didn't answer my question - does everyone agree that the Ancient Macedonian language was non-Slavic? --Khoikhoi 08:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Since you know so much, is it proven that the Ancient Greeks are ancestors of the modern Greeks? According to Inanna the modern Greeks are really 14 different ethnic groups, and apprently the Ancient Greeks were African. :p Btw check your email. --Khoikhoi 08:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting. SouthernComfort showed me the study that tried to show that the Ancient Greeks were black. You're right, I see what you mean. The Ancient Greeks probably mixed with various invaders over time, which gives you what we have today. But why is it then that most Greeks have brown hair and brown eyes? I have to say that I've never been to Greece but I'd very much like to go there someday, same with Macedonia and Turkey. ;)


 * I read an article about a Greek dialect spoken in Italy. It's called the Griko language, I'm sure you've heard of it. Interesting theory on how the Greeks got there. --Khoikhoi 08:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Euxaristw gia tis diorthwseis:)--Makedonas 09:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 1.Des Mail. 2.Ti kanw me fr:? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 11:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Македонски език
Здравей! Винаги много се радвам на чужденци, които говорят езика ми ;) Справяш се чудесно! Иначе аз вече изказах мнение по въпроса на страницата за обсъждане и мисля, че ще се разберем. Накратко, сегашната версия е доста приемлива за мен. Поздрави, → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * И за мен версията е приемлива. Може би трябва да търсим Mediation? --Komitata 20:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Svensson1973 - a sockpuppet? --Komitata 21:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * ΟΡΙΣΤΕ? Ποιοανού? Πότε? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 21:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ναι. Θα την κάνω εγώ, λίγο αργότερα όμως για να μελετήσω, ωστε να είναι συνολική. ΑΠΑΝΤΑ ΚΑΠΟΤΕ ΣΤΑ ΠΡΟΗΓΟΥΜΕΝΑ! :-< Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 21:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Δεν μου φαίνεται να ξέρει, εκτός αν προσποιείται οτι ξέρει. Πάντως, η μέχρι τώρα συνεισφορά του είναι θετική. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Το ξαναέβγαλε ο δικός τους. Να κάνω τώρα? Σκέφτομαι να επαναφέρω την τελευταία επαναφορά που είχα κάνει εγώ. Τι λές? Θα άλλαζες κάτι εκεί? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Έχουμε πρόβλημα και στη γλώσσα. Δεν έχω άλλες σφαίρες εκεί. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Τι λές, να την κάνω στο λαό? Λέω να βάλω την τελευταία δικιά μου. Δες την και πες. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 23:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Paw gia ypno. Edw einai treis to prwi. Avrio oi epanafores. Aytos den koimatai me tipota... :-) Hmmmmmmmmmmm Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 00:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Roitr aka Tt1 is back in business
It seems he has already created several sockpuppets and used various anonymous IPs such as

Sergeybakh, Markdanil , 88.152.186.13 , 88.155.49.240 , 88.152.104.167, 88.154.8.154

to curcuimvent 3RR rule and restore his nonsense edits to

History of Russian military ranks , Air Force ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation , Army ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation

and various other articles. --DmitryKo 20:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see User talk:Husnock for the latest attempts at vandalism. --DmitryKo 17:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, look I'm not going to chase him. Just give me the list of affected articles so that I can put them on my watchlist and keep an eye on them. --Latinus 17:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Then you'd have to keep an eye for every new article, because he has started to create copies (and overwrite redirects) :( --DmitryKo 17:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh no. I think a watchpage should be made - like in the case of permabanned Bonaparte. He uses socks a lot and a log of his socks is kept at User:Bonaparte/sockpuppetry enabling people to keep an eye on their contributions. --Latinus 17:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea - I think I'll create it once I get home today and this will be far more appropriate than just using Husnock's talk page. BTW, maybe it should be listed straight on the WP:LTA? --DmitryKo 18:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet activity center
I've created a subpage and suggest reporting any suspicious activity to User:Roitr/sockpuppetry so new bots and IPs can be tracked and banned on sight. --DmitryKo 23:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Weather report
It's rather quiet tonight... Storm coming? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Na to epanaferw na doume ti 8a ginei? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. Ayrio, alla me epixeirhmata. Den katalabainw omws pws einai dynaton na emfanizontai perissoteroi apo mas? Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 22:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Види...
Јас не реков дека збориш Македонски туку дека разбираш ;) Во право ли сум? И навистина не сакам да водиме војни тука, ама преку некои работи едноставно не можам да поминам. Верувај кога ти би бил малце пофин и поконструктивен од мене ќе можеш да очекуваш се најдобро. --Realek 01:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

''egw den eipa oti milas skopiana alla oti katalavaineis. exw dikio? alitheia den thelw na kanoume polemo edw alla kapoies douleies den mporw na tis prosperasw etsi. Pistepse an isoun pio epikodomitikos apo mena tha mporeis na perimeneis to kalytero'' tin teleutaia protasi den tin katalava kai poly kala. Neo frouto einai autos? kala pou me katalavaineis molis mpw fenetai pouthena?;)--Makedonas 15:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

mallon enoei oti an eisai kalos mazi tou, apo auton na peimeneis to kalytero:)--Makedonas 15:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Oi skopianoi vlepw kataxarikan tin afiksi neou melous. Ton kalosorisan,ton ksenagisan,ton enimerwsan gia tous kakous:) bravo vre:))--Makedonas 16:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Copyright help
Hi. Do you know where I might find out when works produced by the Greek government go into the public domain? My understanding is that copyright expires in Greece 70 pma as in many EU countries, but cannot find out what the copyright status of government-produced works are. Thanks in advance. Jkelly 02:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it. Jkelly 16:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Polkovnyk
Another day without Roitr, heh? :) It seems like has developed a sense of ownership to this article - he doesn't want to discuss a merge to Polkovnik, as suggested a long time ago, and simply removes the tags citing POV arguments. I'm looking further to hear your opinion. --DmitryKo 15:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

"FYROM" vs "Macedonia" and "Republic of Macedonia"
8a leipsw gia kana 2wro. Niko Silver  (T) @ (C) 17:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

OK!outws i allws simera xodepsa polles apo tis anastrofes mou ws twra...Btw,pistevw oti o monastiris einai apo tous pleon suzitisoumous apo aftous.alla...parevei ton kanona:p--Hectorian 19:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Tha summetashw argotera,giati exw kati pragmatakia na kanw twra...fainetai endiaferon:)--Hectorian 19:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why wikipedians don't observe the official EU country terminology?



Shown enlarged above Odysses (&#9756;) 19:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Also see: Candidate countries in EU, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia

Also see: Bitola 19:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * FYROM wants to join the EU, not the USA :-D --Latinus 19:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Who knows, maybe we will change our mind as you are changing in a minute.Bitola 19:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Also see: Candidate countries in USA: Republic of Macedonia :-) Odysses (&#9756;) 19:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, they want to join. The EU (including Greece) have been feeding them aid for the past few years now (partly on the expense of the Greek taxpayer's money) - do you think they won't want more ;-) --Latinus 19:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe USA is the higher bidder. They prefer the USA offering package. Odysses (&#9756;) 19:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, I can see it now - the State of Fyrom, the 51st state of The Union. --Latinus 19:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How funny, you must be a really silly person Bitola 19:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Personal attack now? --Latinus 19:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You already used that word on the Bomac's talk page:User_talk:Bomac saying that it is not offensive. Sorry if I offended you, but you are really exaggerating with jokes about us. However, I do not intended to make an insult.Bitola 19:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's OK - anyone can make a mistake when they're not speaking their mother tongue. --Latinus 19:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

See also wikipedia: &  Macedonia  Odysses  (&#9756;) 19:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Mhpws ksereis apo pou ki ws pou einai "WP policy" na grafoume republic of macedonia ki oxi FYROM? Mou ekane revert o Macrakis. Emena de mou kathetai katholou kala pantws. --Avg 20:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetz
Geia sou Latinus. Eyxaristw gia ta sxolia kai kalo editing:-) --Avg 19:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sxetika me tin akatanomasti dialekto
Geia xara gia deyteri fora simera. Eida ena xarti pou katevase o akatanomastos metanastis sto arthro tis akatanomastis "glwssas" kai prepei na to sxoliasw. Symfona me auton slavika milane mexri kai ta voreia proasteia tis Kozanis! (eytyxws egw menw sta notia). O xristos kai i panagia! Mono i Katerini kai i Xalkidiki glytosan apo tin epelasi ton varvarwn diladi. (pou ousiastika tou kalokairinous mines se autes tis dyo perioxes tis Makedonias akous slavika apo tis ordes touristwn pou ta kataklizoun). Me liga logia egw eimai ilithios pou proti fora akousa na milan etsi se kapoia xwria tis florinas. Episis epidi exw symfititria apo Drama pou douleuei sta synora tou nomou tis me ti voulgaria kserw oti ekei den yparxoun slavofona xwria. Meta ftaiw egw pou fonazw...--Makedonas 20:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

ginetai na mou peis pos kanw epanafora?--Makedonas 22:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Physika kai mporw!ap' oti vlepw uparhei provlima kai me to arthro twn akatanomastwn...tha kanw oti mporw ki ekei!--Hectorian 22:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Ti simenoun ta skopianika pou egrapses sto talk page tou goup tous?mporeis na mou peis?--Hectorian 23:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

'"Словенски Македонци" and "Македонци Словени"'.sorry,alla den exw idea gia ti glwssa tous...:)--Hectorian 23:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

ok,thanks!den fainetai na theloun na suzitisoun tipota.mallon tous volevei to arthro opws einai...--Hectorian 00:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

ok--Hectorian 00:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

koita to ilektr.tax.sou--Hectorian 01:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Bitola
Instead of putting together a posse to revert this article, I think you will have better and more stable results if you can find good documentation proving that the name Monastiri came before the synonymous name Obitel/Bitola. Sounds plausible to me, but better than plausibility is documentation. The Bitola crowd claims that certain Byzantine documents call it Bitola; do they in fact? or have they been reading the Slavic translations of the Byzantine documents...? --Macrakis 23:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The 11th edition Britannica (1911) says:
 * The ancient diocese of its Greek archbishop is known as Pelagonia, from the old name of the Kara-Su Plain. Monastir itself has been identified with the ancient Heraclea Lyncestis on the Via Egnatia; its modern name is derived from the monastery of Bukova ("the beeches") near the southern outskirts of the city.

Interesting that the EB11 mentions the monastery's Slavic name; do we have any record of a Greek name? (Μοναστήρι των οξέων? ... old spelling of οξιά). The current version of the article claims that some Byzantine sources call it Bitola. Do they in fact? It is perfectly possible that the place was called Πελαγονία or Ηράκλειο Λυγκηστίδας until the Slavs set up a monastery. Or not. Who knows? Maybe it was a Greek monastery but the city continued to be called Ηράκλειο but the Slavs preferred Bitola. And it is also possible that origin of the name Monastiri/Bitola is lost in the mists of time. What we need here is facts, not speculation, and certainly not blind reverting. --Macrakis 00:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Accusations
I thought you should know that I have recieved several e-mails by wikipedians where they tell me that you are pro-serbian nationalistic. How do you respond to this?. If the case is so, I should let you know that I have over twenty wikipedians who would gladly report you of abusing your position at wikipedia. I myself believe we can sort this matter out on our own, Damir Mišić 23:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok I see, but there are some users rather irritated with you. But I'll do my very best to calm them down and let them know that your intentions are fair. But just let me inform you, i don't know how well familiar you are with the subject bosnia but Bosniaks mean the same thing as Bosnians, very much like spaniards mean the same thing as spanians. We cannot close our eyes for this obvious fact. Regards. Damir Mišić 00:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes Latinus if you look carefully you will see that it says "bosniaks/ethnic bosnians", this means that Bosniaks are ethnic bosnians whereas serbs and croats are bosnians in a regional and legal way, but are so however not ethnic. Damir Mišić 00:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

That's how I mean it. I know very well that it can be somewhat confusing to understand all these ethnical facts, and I couldn't care less about them but to the overwhelming majority they are important and therefore I feel like we need to get them right to keep the pov facts on a safe distance here on wikipedia. Damir Mišić 00:18, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Classic trolls
People who revert only and never contribute matter to a page.

Latinus please tell me have you or Zora added a single line to rajput page other then revert it?

Dab has cut and pasted matter from EB.

Mozhi seems to be a lying. Can you ask him to give a rebuttal to stephanian's assertions?

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)+