User talk:Laurent Jul

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January 2020
Hello, I'm Nyamo Kurosawa. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Seibu 9000 series, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Nyamo Kurosawa (huh?) 12:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

"Crucial"
What exactly is crucial? In my opinion, much of the content you believe should be in the Odakyu 8000 series infobox mostly appeals to a small minority and takes up a large amount of page real estate. I can't agree that changes in stepping patterns are crucial, and I can't say that optimizations for new motors are either, especially for a train type for which more than two examples exist. XtraJovial (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

I've also raised my concerns at the article's talk page. XtraJovial (talk) 02:16, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

About technical details
Hi XtraJovial,

I'm happy that you want to discuss. I saw several times that you've been "targeting" my edits on some articles because my contribution to the infobox makes it look too long, or because it was "not relevant enough".

However, I disagree. I try to contribute 100% factual, well translated and precise information. I use the most compact wording I can manage without introducing approximation or over-simplification. I avoid contributing when I'm not sure about a topic.

Here is what motivates my edits:

Over the years, I came across more and more blatant misinformation (due to wrong translations) concerning the technical info in the English pages of Japanese train models. It mainly comes from overseas railway enthusiasts who have learnt from Youtube the existence of a multitude of different traction systems and the implication that they have: the different characteristic sounds they produce. This subject is already extremely popular among Japanese railway enthusiasts, and this popularity is increasing among the non-Japanese ones. As an enthusiast myself with an engineering background and who is learning Japanese, I wanted to take the opportunity to help them by correcting the information. So that, if something is stated, at least, it's factual.

The problem is, many of these early edits made by these people mixed up crucial terms because they don't really understand the subject (or Japanese) or because they use Google Translate. The fact is, some important scientific terms used in Japanese are abbreviated, so that any "simple" Google translation loses any factual meaning. GT isn't reliable enough, and bad translations are detrimental to the public's understanding. If I didn't add my contributions, everything would be confusing. Each word has a precise meaning, so each word is important. Dates (time) are also important.

Since each traction system is recognizable by their characteristic sound (whether incidental or not), it's worth of interest to appropriately distinguish them on a theoric level. This work is most of the time well executed by Japanese contributors themselves. My role is simply to translate their contributions so that any wrong interpretation is avoided in the English sphere of Wikipedia.

I disagree with you about the relevance. Trains are by nature technical objects, so I don't see why talking about the power electronic in them is irrelevant. Power electronics is a crucial part of railways. Basically it's what makes them move.

There are many complex subjects discussed in Wikipedia, however, I don't think it's reasonable to remove a contribution for the sole reason that its complexity is too high for the "general public". Example: I won't remove a paragraph in, let's say, a psychology or art wikipedia article just because I could not understand it.

What I agree with you, however, is that the result of some of my contributions, typically when there are more than two traction systems, or when there's a list of trainsets, make the infobox substantially long. I consider 2 solutions to this problem:

—letting it as is, considering the relevance is more important than the aesthetic of the page —moving all the details in a dedicated section in the body of the page (in the form of text and/or tables for example)

In my opinion, the second option would be ideal. However, due to time constraints and the volume of info, I don't plan to do it myself in the near future.

I hope that you understand my perspective and that I could convince you. Laurent Jul (talk) 23:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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