User talk:Lavender1026

Hello, Queenofheartscouturecakes. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
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In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Peacock (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. Peacock (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

There have been two problems with this account: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group or a web site, which is also against policy, as an account must be for just one person. Because of those problems, the account has been blocked indefinitely from editing.

If you intend to make useful contributions about some topic other than your business or organisation, you may request an unblock. To do so, post the text at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:CentralAuth to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy. Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In that reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Alexf(talk) 15:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Apology
Hi. I am completely new with wikipedia and really sorry about the edit. It really was a mistake. I saw that there was a "problem" clicked on it and then clicked the link and then created an even bigger problem. I completely understand if I was blocked indefinitely but it is something I would never do again. Someone has written about us here in Wikipedia and we are so happy. What is written there are facts and definitely not an advertisement. I hope this would not cause any reason for deletion. Huge apologies. --Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Block discussion
Hi! I'd like to help, but I'm not sure as to what you are asking for. Whether or not the article is kept is unrelated to your account being blocked or otherwise - the main problems were that the person you hired to create the article used multiple fake accounts, and they wrote an article that was overly promotional. It will take about a week for the community to consider the article.

From what you said above, I gather that it isn't your intention to keep editing. If so there's not much I can do to assist. If you would like a new account we can discuss the situation and see if there is a way forward, but otherwise it might be best to see how things work out with the article. - Bilby (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

not advertising
to Admin Yunshui, please do not accuse me of using multiple accounts to place an advertisement. I was merely hoping that my company who has written 4 books to date with multiple translations PER book is an advert. IT IS A FACT. I don't think a normal person/company has done that. Please do not judge the article straight away as an advert without investigating and more so, blocking at once without helping. Is that really how the wikipedia community works? You can see that my account is created just few days ago. I am not a wikipedia editor/writer surely. I have made a mistake of clicking the links that I don't even understand and I have apologized for that. I also understand wikipedia has a protocol but admins like you are also people. All I ask is investigate first. You may not understand what is happening in cake community. We have a lot of features but unfortunately not deemed by wikipedia as valid. I understand that that's why the links referenced in the article are those from notable companies that have wikipedia articles written on them as well. At one point, the article was published..and then I clicked the link and that's how this all came into a mess. All I am saying is, if other Admins let this article be published, it means that the article is worthy enough to be here, just like any other company in here. I know of an account that is a cake company as well and it is published here although I do not want to mention now because if you guys were really right about the "advertising" reason, then I don't want their article be deleted just because I was trying to fight for "us" to be published here. They have not even written any book and yet they are here. How fair is that? Now if you want to just please cancel my account, that is absolutely fine as I don't see myself editing anything in here. I don't even know and understand anything about wikipedia protocols and way of posting or editing. I don't even know if you will be able to read this. I don't even know how to tag/reply to the person's comment directly...but I really hope you would be able to read this. Please calm down. I am plainly a cake artist and an author of 4 bestselling books and who believes that we have contributed a lot to the cake community to gain the reputation that we have now and be notable enough to be in Wikipedia. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 13:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

to admin Bilby
Hi..and thank you for your kind reply. Thank you really for being kind. People here seem so stiff, I don't understand. I have replied to the other admin and that is pretty much what happened and all I ever want to happen and say. My action caused a lot of trouble because i really clearly do not understand what is happening here. If it is best to just close my account, then please tell me what to do. If it is best to just request for a username, then please, help me do that. I understand that there are protocols but I clearly stated that I am very new, I made a silly mistake and most of all i need help. But a lot of them seems to like deleting and blocking all the time without trying to help. I was simply fighting for this article to be published because I believe we are notable enough to be here..and that other articles pertaining to a company is here without much accomplishments..so why can't we be here? Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

to admin Bilby and KJP1
I saw your comments on the Article draft (I think). You seemed the only one who understands what we are trying to achieve. What about the other bakery pages in here like Ferguson Plarre Bakehouses. Our article is pretty much the same as theirs. They have included their list of awards..we can do that too as we have gotten several awards as well but we did not think we could include this as the awards would not have references but merely titles. What about International Cake Exploration Societé, why were they allowed here? They themselves and their "certification" is not really valid in any school..and anywhere for that matter. They are just basically a non-profit organization organizing cake show. We have been in their cake shows as they have invited us as their Show Guests. Is it worth writing about that in our article? Are they notable enough? What about Karachi Bakery..is this not advertising? I could go on and on..I just searched for bakery in here and so many things like these bakeries seemed to be ADVERTISING AS WELL. Paradise Bakery & Café, Boudin Bakery, Beechworth Bakery..these were just on the second page of search. They all seemed to be merely a description of their company..their locations and what kind of breads they do. Are those the qualifications for being notable? If we cannot be here then their articles should not be here as well right? There is a fine line between being notable and advertisement and from what I see, we are not given the right treatment here. None from these bakeries have written ANY books in multiple languages sold worldwide. None of them were featured in TV. Their references were not all from your required and accepted links. All the references included had wikipedia articles written about them so that means they are notbale enough as well. Please do correct me if I am wrong in all of these but I kindly ask that you give this article a fair shot. Not because this is a cake company it is already an advertising. Please consider our important contributions. That's all. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

to admin Bilby
thank you so much for all your comments and replies to the other admins. I just wanted to answer the last comment where one is dubious why articles are from Philippines. Simply because we are originally from Philippines and moved to London 10 years ago then started the business on 2011. The references are from the suggested links where wikipedia would consider accepted. If they could just search for Queen of Hearts Couture Cakes or Valeri Valeriano or Christina Ong, they will see that there are so much articles written about us from all over the world. If any of those are just acceptable, then what else is the problem? They are all so close minded. This is so sad. I would not have to fight for this if I am stating FACTS and DEFINITELY NOT ADVERTISEMENT. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this article was created the wrong way, as the use of fake accounts by the person you hired, the overly promotional text, and the way it was published out of process will tend to poison the well. We'll see what happens, but if the decision is to delete the article, all we can really do is wait until more coverage emerges of your business and see if it is sufficient to justify a second attempt. - Bilby (talk) 09:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

thank you Bilby
I honestly understand the implication of my lack of knowledge here in wikipedia and what it has caused now. Thank you so much for trying and for believing. I completely agree that we can try in time if in case the article was deleted and deemed not significant features for now. That's all I wanted to hear from the admin..and not straight away say it is an advertisement. All I want is for them to really review. I cited some articles here like my cake business..bakeries that merely a description without significant contributions and notability and yet are published here. They should look at the notability and if it was written incorrectly, then they should help, not instantly delete. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

please try to understand
I'm not going to review the unblock request just yet, but just address a few issues.

Firstly, regarding Queen of Hearts Couture Cakes - the first thing I generally do is do a news search and see what sources are available, and whether I could write the article myself. If I can, I will not nominate it to be deleted, and if others try to, I generally rewrite the article and tell them to stop it. (See Tsamma juice for a very recent example of me rescuing an article). I have done a news search and the sole piece that I recognise as being sufficiently reliable and independent for a Wikipedia article is this Birmingham Mail piece. That's fine to use as a source, and if I had about 5-6 more of them that talk in depth about the company, spread over a number of years, I could rescue it. Unfortunately, I can't find the material, so I can't really help in that juncture.

By contrast, when I do a news search for Ferguson Plarre Bakehouses, I get many many news pieces that are suitable. Although the article is not in a particularly good shape right now, because there is evidence it could be improved, it will not be deleted. We just don't have the same evidence for QoHCC.

I also assume, given your new choice of username, that you are Valeri Valeriano; if that is the case, you have a conflict of interest and were I to accept an unblock, I would probably have to insist that you take a topic ban from Queen of Hearts Couture Cakes and don't edit the article or anything else that references it. So that brings me to my last point, which is - if the community decides we can't write an article on the company, or that you can't be allowed to write one because of a conflict of interest .... what other articles are you interested in writing? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * This editor has supplied a new username above "VQVlondon". That's acceptable for a username, although it clearly stands for Valeri Quiencen Valeriano which brings up the conflict of interest issue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "not" in "you have not offered a change of username" was an editing slip, and I noticed it and corrected it before I saw that you had posted here. Thanks for mentioning it, though, because if I hadn't noticed my mistake then your notification would have been very helpful. As for the suggested user name, when an editor has a conflict of interest I think it is actually better for them to have a user name which indicates that conflict of interest, for transparency, so I have absolutely no problem with that user name at all. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, although I need to stress that even if I found sustained coverage in The Guardian, The Independent and three good cookery books dating back five years, put them in the article, then !voted "strong keep" at the AfD, resulting in the article being kept .... I would still enforce a topic ban for a conflict of interest before I unblocked. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

change of username
thank you admins for clarifying about the username. Again, forgive my ignorance on this as I did not know there is also a relevance to choose a totally different user name. Thank you for clarification. I also do not understand the steps on how to change it..Do I again request for a change in username? Can I do that now? With regards to the article, I honestly and would wholeheartedly accept if you think that the features are insufficient. That's really all I want to get as a response and not DELETE because it is ADVERTISING straight away as what the other admins had said. Birmingham mail, yes. But I thought the references from the large network companies in the Philippines are acceptable too..plus all the books we have written in multiple languages as well. But then again, that is all I want..for admins to review properly and give advice and be friendly at least. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You'll be able to choose a new username if and when you're unblocked. As a very basic rule of thumb for an article, you would probably need to be at the level of having stalls in places like Waterloo and St Pancras concourses, selling thousands if not millions of cakes every day - like Greggs and Pret a Manger. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

to Ritchie333
..but the thing is, we are not a bakery! We are cake decorating company who teach cake decorating worldwide, pioneered and influenced the cake world with our innovation on buttercream works..and authored 4 books to date with each book having multiple translations. So we do not need to be in Waterloo or wherever you suggested us to have had sold cakes because we do not sell cakes. Queenofheartscouturecakes (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I've tried to explain the issues patiently, but you're still not getting it. I asked you what other articles you might want to edit (on the grounds that, per standard practice, we can't allow you edit articles you have a conflict of interest on) and you went back to arguing about your cake company. I think you have made enough unblock requests for now, so I'm turning your talk page access off - if you want to file another unblock request, you will need to do so via the Unblock Ticket Request System. I wish you the very best of success in your business, but ... I'm out. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

--UTRSBot (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC) --UTRSBot (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Globally renamed 'Queenofheartscouturecakes' to 'Lavender1026' per UTRS request. Just Chilling (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)