User talk:Laveol/2011/July

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World War II and the Holocaust
Hi, I am not sure that this statement

and the reference added there have anything to do with the participation of Bulgaria in extermination of the Macedonian Jews. It states that Macedonia is Bulgarian. If so, the responsibility for the extermination is not German but Bulgarian. In addition to this Georgi Prvanov, has said that in 2008 during his visit of Israel.

Also, please do not remove the relevant source added as a support of the statement: Bulgaria, Holocaust Encyclopedia

Kind regards, --Wikimk (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi again. Please complete the reference labeled as "Chary, p. 46" no one will be able to find the original article or book (here: History of the Jews in the Republic of Macedonia). Otherwise i will remove it.

It is the same as if I add the reference "John Doe, p. 45". Where? When? Which edition? Which publisher? Non of these information are given. Kind regards, --Wikimk (talk) 15:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * sorry. i was wrong about the incomplete reference. as you can see from the last version of article History of the Jews in the Republic of Macedonia the your reference was not removed. Regards, --Wikimk (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What you have done to the article will not change the bulgarian involvment in the extermination of macedonian jews. :-( --Wikimk (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One more detail. The article is not how Bulgaria saved 50.000 Bulgarian Jews, but how it send send 7200 Macedonian Jews in Treblinka. If you think that i exaggerate you can read about it in Bulgarian or in English . Regards, --Wikimk (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Removal of the content added about treatment of the Jews in Bulgaria will not change the past. Do not get angry. Please leave the text that i added as it is. I invite you to come to Skopje and visit the Museum of the Holocaust of the Macedonian Jews. It was open on the day when Macedonian Jews were sent to Treblinka. If that is too emotional for you. You can go directly to Poland, in Prague in the Jewish quart, in Berlin there is museum,... The easiest way is to read the articles that i previously recommended... Regards, --Wikimk (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have answered you on your talkpage. Please, read everything. I also fail to see the point in commenting on things not relevant to the article. I have not added a word on Jews in Bulgaria proper, but, yes, there fate could as well be discussed in short in this article as well. The difference in treatment of Jews in Bulgaria, on one side, and in the occupied territories, on the other, has been subject to quite some scientific debate. And, yes, I would like to visit the Holocaust museum, if I manage to find my way around giant statues of Ancient and Medieval rulers (most of them unrelated to the city itself). I have been at one or two similar places and feel they are some of the most important sites one has to see in his life. But if you are here to only to drop comics-style comments in articles (e.g. "Bulgarians were not the only bad guys") and chat around, I am afraid Wikipedia is not the place for you. That is all for now. -- L a v e o l  T 05:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

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Newspaper Articles
What is unreliable about the newspaper article reports about the protests in Meliti, Lofi, etc? Are you alleging that the protests against the Greek military did not occur? Lunch for Two (talk) 07:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am alleging that you need to provide a reliable source. Utrinski, Vreme and such like are far from this. There are newspapers stating that Bulgarians are the oldest race alive. Should they be cited in the article about Bulgarians?-- L a v e o l  T 07:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They are two different issues. The newspaper articles simply covered the event providing some details about what happened. Maybe you should re-read WP:NEWSORG. Lunch for Two (talk) 09:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nationalistic newspapers are far from reliable sources when it comes to contentious issues. Does the policy state that they are reliable? WP:RS? Btw, congrats on getting the hang of Wikipedia navigation and stuff so fast. Some people need months to find their way around here. -- L a v e o l  T 09:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They are mainstream newspapers, nothing nationalist about them at all. Lunch for Two (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing except the articles and commentaries...-- L a v e o l  T 15:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Census results upsetting you? I see you were quick to change one page, but not so fast to change another. Lunch for Two (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am rarely into answering trollish comments, but what was wrong with my edit? I saw you retaliating to Jingiby's edits and I hope you, with the experience you somehow have around here, know that this is not a game. When somebody edits an article your first job should not be to retaliate because you do not like certain data and you assume the editor who added it will not be happy seeing your revenge. I am not trying to discourage childish actions but I do find them a bit disturbing when coming from an experienced editor. -- L a v e o l   T 20:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, I would just have expected the primary page dealing with the new information to be edited first, then the less important pages. Lunch for Two (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Umm, why does your latest comment bear no connection to mine? I just told you I have not added new demographic data on any article. Yet, you ignore every single point in my comment and went on trolling. I am sorry but your input does not seem to be of any use here. Why do you continue flooding my talkpage with nonsense? -- L a v e o l  T 05:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologise if you feel that you have been trolled. Lunch for Two (talk) 06:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Laveol, I agree that this new user is trolling (as I understand the term). But he/she seems so familiar with Wikipedia which makes me think he/she could be a sock puppet. Politis (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I suggested above and he didn't seem to deny it. I have to go back and see who initially created the page this user created again. Moreover, in a message to another user on mk.wikipedia, while canvassing to save the article Ethnic Macedonians of Greece‎, he said that Greeks are again trying to delete the article. -- L a v e o l  T 04:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have the relevant link for mk.wikipedia? Politis (talk) 09:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted a link on the deletion discussion with the translation of the first comment . I am now sure he is a returning user. -- L a v e o l  T 09:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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