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The Signpost: 05 November 2014

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Vassal issue
You know how did I got into it? Because I found out that Hungarians are using this map, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lands_under_Louis_the_Great_in_the_middle_of_the_14th_century.jpg all over Wikipedia (I aready removed it from several articles here and on other language wikis, and added a note tonight on the places map is still on but I will most certainly be reverted by Hungarians), and using it as a historical fact. So I started searching for sources about it but instead all I found was that Hungarian king Louis ruled just northern parts of Serbia and Vidin for a short period of time. But Hugarian editors insist using a map which has wrong borders (just look at Bosnia, Bosnia at Vardar river, is that a joke?) and where puts entire Serbia and Bulgaria as Hungarian vassals.

I was having a discussion with Hungarian editors at Louis the Great talk-page and map talk-page, and while I searched for sources I found some results talking of how Bulgaria was vassal of Serbia. I admit sources vary between vassal and friendly relationship between Dushan and Bulgaria, however I found that most articles here talk little about it. Honestly, I think the fall of Bulgarian Second empire actually starts with Serbian victory at Velbuzhd battle, Serbian dominance of Bulgaria, and then Ottoman conquest. It is just that Serbian rule was seen as positive, specially compared to the subsequent Ottoman one, so that is why there is no major perception of it.

Anyway, that Hungarian map claiming Hungarian rule over entire central Balkans at that time is ludocris. FkpCascais (talk) 06:02, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I share the view that the map is ridiculous. It could serve some purpose at an article like Greater Hungary, but not much else. Its just some guy's (I can't find much about Mr Homolka) perception of what he thought was the political situation at some point of time. Maybe, he, too thought some states were vassal to other states or something. Hardly more than a fringe view, though. -- L a v e o l  T 00:09, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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