User talk:Laveol/Archive Dec 2007

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Don-dididon-didonski
I am sorry to read we should not quote Mr Donski; either he is a crackpot, a fake and a racialist who should be removed from wikipedia, or he can be taken seriously with all that this implies on Skopie based historiography. But if the article on him remains, we need to point out why he is a crackpot and quote from his works about the purity of the 'Macedonian' race, language, etc.. Politis (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I already had this discussion with Fut Perf and it turns out all his works and visions are somewhat demeaning to the man (especially his high credentials as a respected historian). You might as well ask Fut Perf as I really don't want to get involved in another attempt on restoring the info about that person. -- L a v e o l  T 17:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Защо трябва да се прави компромис с нещо безспорно
Не разбирам защо трябва да се прави компромис и да се пишат абсолютни глупости за толкова много хора от българската история. В Народна бибиотека има количества документи на ВМОРО, както и запазена лична кореспонденция на почти всички български революционери, където те многократно казват какви са по народност. За Инкобуса не се и съмнявам, че е толкова неориентиран, виждам че произлиза от най-сърбоманския район на цяла Македония, не ми е ясно той къв 100% македонец е в тоя ред на мисли :)))) --Li4kata 07:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Laveol, can you please translate this text in English? And every other non-English text. I think it contains personal offense towards someone. And by the way, I have to comment (on what I understood), your friend here seems a bit too chauvinistic. It's true that my origins are from a region that was under heavy influence by Serbian propaganda, but does that make me something I'm not? It's pathetic to think that everyone who is not Bulgarian has to be on the side of the evil Serbs, isn't it? Poor guy... i Nk u b u ss e ? 20:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, what his says in brief is that that he does not see why a compromise should be made as there are so much sources as personal letters and IMARO documents in which the revolutionaries make their ethnicity far from clear (which is basically true). And then he says that you come from the most ... ummm ... serbian loving or whatever region of the Republic of Macedonia and in that order of thought he is not sure what kind of ethnic Macedonian you are. He does not basically use any personal offenses. I tried to explain that the revert warring is useless etc, let's see how he behaves from now on. As for the ethnicity issue in the other articles I really need to see some willingness for compromise from the other side as well. That Ireland101 guy seems to be at loose. He's cut'n'pasting one at the same text to tons of articles and some of them are about people born in Stara Zagora and Oryahovo (look at the maps). -- L a v e o l  T 22:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Laveol I'm just following your suggestion and mirroring what you have posted on other articles. It really bothers me when you set a double standard where it is okay to post the Mac/Bulg statement for revolutionaries were there is substantial evidence for a Macedonian ethnicity and not for the Bulgarians. The edits of Li4kata and yourself are one of the main reasons why arbitration is needed. And as far as I can tell as there is not yet a full translation of the comment of Li4kata, the victim of Serbian propaganda statement sounds like a personal attack. Ireland101 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And if you're trully following the situation why haven't you read this? -- L a v e o l  T 22:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to myself? Ireland101 23:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Laveol, you're right, their ethnicity is far from clear. But, unlike me, you fail to understand that. Li4kata knows my ethnicity very well, but Bulgarians don't recognize the Macedonians ethnicity, so he has to call me a Serb. The problem is, I'm sick of the Serbs. The region of my origin used to be a pretty Serb-brainwashed region, but there never were any Serbs there. I think that in the whole region, there aren't more than 10 Serbs overall! He was trying to say that, since I don't self-identify as Bulgarian, I self-identify as a Serbian. LOL! And it really hurts me, because (must admit now) I can't stand the Serbs and their propaganda! Do I have to make that clear, so that he doesn't call me a "сърбоман"? I mean, OMG dude! i Nk u b u ss e ? 20:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Можеш ли да погледнеш за малко тази лудница! National Liberation War of Macedonia Jingby (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Заключиха пак тази тема и в момента се водят дебати! Темата е заключена в необективна и неиздържана историчиски позиция. Моля за твоята намеса! Jingby (talk) 12:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Направих доста корекции в горната тема за да придобие по неутрален и обективен вид. Би ли я погледнал? С поздрав. Jingby (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Comeback
Hello, I'm sorry I can't devote much time to Wikipedia these days. I still use it as a source of information, but simply lack the time to contribute to the encyclopedia, and I've lost some of that previous passion somehow. You should be more confident of your edits, what you have done in those articles is some good work. Just remember to put the notes after punctuation marks ;) Best regards, Todor→Bozhinov 19:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Have a look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonia_naming_dispute#Banning_user_Ireland101 Reaper7 22:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Bulgars and Bulgarians
What is your view on the Bulgar-Bulgarian continuity? And what is the public opinion in Bulgaria? Do Bulgarians regard Bulgars as their ancestors or do they distance themselves from them? Alex 202.10.89.28 05:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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Once Again
Regarding the images of artifacts found at Samuils fortress, I do not claim that they were found their the certificate with each one claims they were found there. The fortress may have well been used before his time by other Macedonian rulers, however what is important is that they are artifacts found there and it would be NPOV to delete them as the certificates clearly state where they were found. Ireland101 (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Tuscan dialect
Thank you very much! I saw your corrections and I'm very glad you have corrected my article! I saw I made some mistakes... terrible mistakes! I was trying to translate the English article about Italian language in Bulgarian.. but, I'm not sure I am so able to continue ^^. You can see it on my Sandbox III, if you want to see something horrible ^^.

There's only one question: in the section about the double dative pronoun you corrected на мене харесва with на мене ми харесва. Is it possible to find a Bulgarian form to express the concept that in standard Italian language the double dative form is not allowed, via a Bulgarian example?

Много ти благодаря!!! Чао!Bukkia (talk) 10:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Your answer
Did you get the wine out of your system yet :) ? Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Macedonians
First of all, i am not trying to POV push. The quote i included is a direct, unqualified quote from Dennis P Hupchik. He is an American History Professr specialising in Bulgaria. Now, if he can suggest this and be neutral about it, I think u should accept it. I will provide the page numbers for you soon.

As i said, i am not trying to proove one way or another. But you well know that you and your buddy Jingiby are bullies- and u guys have earnt yourself a bad reputation here. Do not doubt my knowledge.

If you actually read the section, u will see that my version is neutral. I do not make any conclusions about whether Macedonians are, in fact, seperate or not. I merely present facts. I even say that they were largely considered Bulgarian, no doubt. I just provided possible explanations. NOw, as for the IMRO, thing, it was started by macedonian slavs, its goal was for the creation of an independent and unified macedonia (as in, seperate from Ottomans, but also from Serbia and Bulgaria) and unified, as in all macedonia. THis goal may have changed, as the IMRO later became Bulgarian-deminated. But this initial idea was fundimental about the idea of Macedonia identity, that is why i included it. Hxseek (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As i said, it is a quote from an established, verifieble source. So it is not my POV, but the informed theory of an expert. Your personal opinion on the matter doesn;t really matter, i'm afraid. See WP:OR and WP:NPOVHxseek (talk) 03:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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