User talk:Laveol/Archive Nov 2007

My reasons to edit the Bosniaks page
I notice you've undone my recent edit, probably out of response to Ancient Land of Bosoni. Please read the "discussion" page to see why I have done so. We must resolve this immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.39.246 (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Интервю на Н. Карев
Драги Laveol, прочети двете статии внимателно. Всъщност те не доказват македонска национална идентичност у революционера, напротив. Поздрав, GriefForTheSouth 22:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian film list
Hello how are you? I was wondering if you gave up on Bulgarian film list. You were off to such a great start. PLease let me know if you ever intend touching them again thanks  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 20:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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The other talk
I shouldn't be mentioning this, but I really hope I'll see you someday and show you (but no cameras, the police is brutal there... hehe). I'm planning a special visit to Pirin Macedonia (especially Sandanski) after January or so, and I'll invite you to come and see those men, I really don't think that I'm hallucinating. I mean, the last time I checked, they were there (BTW, speaking a Macedonian dialect and singing songs, crying, begging us to connect them with some organisations from RoM). I'm being objective here, and I don't need any sources for my statements, I'm telling you what I experience everytime I visit Pirin. I'm telling you this only because you, in fact, called me a liar. :( i Nk u b u ss e ? 17:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going there for 7-9 December. But I've already been and have tons of friends from there. And guess what - no such thing. Only people getting paid to buy drinks and drugs in exchange for certain position they take. Sorry - my position is firm on this - no irredentism, no claims on another country's land based on non-existing minorities and so on.-- L a v e o l  T 20:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about, who mentioned irridentism?! I just told you about some old men who literally cried to us boys from Skopje, while on excursion there, and some other times with my family... Non-existing minorities: I'm sorry, but I can't define this as nothing else but fascism. i Nk u b u ss e ? 22:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummm, not fascism - I mean - isn't Nazism what you meant to use? The stories I heard are about repressions to have their names changed. But enough with this - it's my word against yours and that's pointless no matter what. We can only accuse each other of irredentism or fascism or whatever. But there is this fact - read the Irredentism article and tell me if it doesn't sound familiar (after all I'm coming from the country that has or rather had territorial demands on all its neighbours) -- L a v e o l  T 22:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I used just what I intended to use. Here, it really is my word against yours, but in reality, it's a bit different. And you accuse me of irridentism on no grounds, I just said that there is a minority. What does irridentism have to do with that statement? On the other hand, you are a bit fascist when it comes to the minority, because you claim that there is no minority. Probably because that's what you really think, but it looks like you're saying it in order to maintain a national unity and, uh, purity... And that's quite not liberal. ;) But hey, remember the song: Only 8, 9 or 10 parts, and Bulgaria will be complete! :D  i Nk u b u ss e ? 23:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Cause irredentism is most commonly based on something of the sort "Let us free our brothers from the tirany of those vicious neighbours". Now that I thought about it - it seems that the Republic of Macedonia has at present problems with almost all neighbours (is there something with Serbia presently - besides the Church thing?). Oh, and about the minority - I have to correct myself - there is such - less than 1000 man is it? And no luck with the candidates (not official) in the local elections (I entered the data in the database ;). Anything beyond the established number + those that recently came to Bulgaria is irredentism and just to give you an idea - it is something like the more extremist Albanians in RoM try to say. I had something else to add, but it's already to late and bed is waiting for me :) Good night. -- L a v e o l  T 01:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahh, nobody said anything about freeing, but since you mentioned it, helping your brothers in other countries is not considered irridentism. You'll have to check the meaning of the word irridentism again. And, yes, it's true, we (as a nation) do have problems with the neighbouring countries, but the reason is not us, it's them. On a state-level, RoM has great relations with Albania and Serbia (except the church), and Bulgaria as well. But RoM is not the same as Macedonians. As you know, we have troubles with you recognising the Macedonian minority there, but damn, you won't even recognise our language! The problem with the Albanians is well-known, and the Serbs are a completely different story. Their "official" stauts here is Gods, and that starts to bother us heavily. It really hurts me when some Bulgarian calls us сръбски мекерета... As for the problem with Greece, I don't think we should talk about it. So, to sum up:
 * Macedonians - Bulgarians: disapproval of national identity by Bulgarian side, which leads to...
 * Macedonians - Serbs: Serbs acting as if they're some divine force, not recognising our church and also our national identity and some other things I wouldn't dare mention...
 * Macedonians - Albanians: Albanians trying to take over our damned country, at least its western part...
 * Macedonians - Greeks: a usual dialogue: Hey buddy, sup? - I'm cool. Where are you from? - Macedonia - @#$%^&*!!!
 * My point is, it's not our fault that everyone tries to take something from us. As far as I'm concerned, modern societies should be based on liberality, approval of everyone's culture, not territorial claims and negating nations. We want peace and harmony, we want democracy everywhere, and you're doing everything to make us look as if we were some belligerent nation. Thank you. i Nk u b u ss e ? 02:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * About the freeing part - I meant it is used as a base for irredentism. About all the else - don't you think it's a bit odd you have problems with all your neighbours. Surely, it cannot be them to be blamed for everything. And about the denial of identity once again - not all Bulgarians deny that at present there is such a thing as ethnic Macedonians. The issues we have are linguistic and historical. Since you want to be something there's noone who can stop you. But people like Ivan Vazov and Nikola Vaptsarov have considered themselves Bulgarians - noone has the right to deny them this. -- L a v e o l  T 00:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Macedonian/Bulgarian ethnicity issue
Hi Laveol, Just to let you know that I have proposed a set of guidelines for quickly resolving Macedonian/Bulgarian ethnicity disputes as per your suggestion (→link). I'd be interested to see your thoughts on the matter! Cheers, AWN AWN2 04:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Linguistics
Don't worry I come in peace :D I just saw your discussion with INkubusse about our special letter Ѓ. You said it sounded kind of like a D. That may be because your Macedonian colleagues are from Prilep. In their accent/dialect, Gj (Ѓ) and Kj (Ќ) are pronounced Đ or Dj (Ђ) and Ć or Cj (Ћ) respectively. It is kind of like in Serbian - almost a Џ(Дж) or Ч but palatalized. However, I don't know why this happens in Prilep but not Skopje. It may have something to do with Krale Marko/Kraljević Marko, whose capital was Prilep. The Ќ is the same: we say ноќе, you say нокье (at least that's what I got from Makedonsko Devojče). Alex 202.10.89.28 10:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, what do you think of an article dealing with differences between Macedonian and Bulgarian? There is one for Differences between standard Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian and Macedonian and Bulgarian have more differences than them.

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