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List of miscarriage of justice cases
This edit adds unreferenced content. It also breaks the format of the page and consists of redlinks that are not going to become articles (eg, dates). The following edit continues to break the format, and is still unreferenced. Please stop. Keri (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keri I have no idea why some of the text came up in red. Yes, I have found the reference goes to a dead link. As to the reference formatting, the system refused to reproduce as it should from normal referencing code. As to miscarriage of justice, the case involves what the UK CCRC calls factual innocence. Is that not an acceptable criterion?Law3giver (talk) 09:09, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a long discussion on the article talk page about the criteria for inclusion: stating that any particular case represents a miscarriage of justice can represent a non-neutral POV: many convicted criminals profess innocence, and it is in the interests of their advocates to claim justice has miscarried. For the purpose of the article it was decided that an official exoneration, or a release even without a subsequent mistrial retrial, should be the criteria. In some exceptional cases, a wide consensus that justice had miscarried would be considered. In the Greer case, there has been no exoneration, and there appears to be no wide consensus that justice has miscarried. Keri (talk) 09:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the Chief Justice (actually not retired) is equivalent to a wide consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Law3giver (talk • contribs) 06:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A consensus of one is not a consensus. Looking at the media reports around Greer's case, they fall into 3 camps: the first concern his child sex offences committed before he emigrated to Australia and the possibility of him being deported to Britain; the second are from those who do not want him granted parole; and the third concern the possibility of him being wrongfully convicted. There has been little activity in the media viz this case since 2012. The link you gave to the pamphlet outlining the case for his release returns a 404 error, and it isn't available on the Wayback Machine. One of the reasons why we held the discussion at the article talk page was the difficulty of determining if a case actually should be labelled a "miscarriage of justice" (itself, not a legal term; nor is "factually innocent") if no exoneration had taken place. To quote part of the discussion: "The problem with individuals, such as [Case X], who were not officially exonerated is that the claims of wrongful conviction are made by those with an agenda: namely the defendants and their defence teams. Take the case of Simon Hall, for example. For 10 years or so campaigners pursued this "miscarriage of justice" - described as the "flagship of the UK’s university innocence project movement" - and it received some very high-profile coverage, including a BBC documentary... And then he finally admitted that he had murdered the victim..." This is a very good reason for requiring some form of exoneration as criteria for inclusion. The Greer case is interesting, but does not yet meet the criteria. But I don't want you to feel I'm bullying my opinion on to you: so please feel free to initiate further discussion at Talk:List of miscarriage of justice cases if you disagree, where it will receive more eyes and opinions than it will here. Keri (talk) 10:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)