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=Rant on Directive Communication= This was a rant in response to the Deletion of Arthur Carmazzi's Directive Communication Methodology The pages were marked for deletion:


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Spam article, disguised as psychology, created by notorious wikispammer Arthur Carmazzi, whose WP:AUTO is up for deletion below. Qworty (talk) 20:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as advertising. ♣ ♦ SmartGuy ♥ ♠  (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think it's boastful enough to be speedied as advertising, and it seems to be more about a theory than an organization, so it doesn't qualify under A7 either, but I don't see any assertion of notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Speedy delete", I think its just an advertisment for the other article, and both should be removed. Plus it has no references Callelinea (talk) 22:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete spamvert. csloat (talk) 05:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting topic, trying to kill off a spammer without clear and unbiased due diligence... I am not related to that guy but I find this approach akin to book burning, so we will never know if there is any value in his work. I took the liberty of checking with Google on "Arthur Carmazzi" and "Leadership speaker Asia" and found quite a few hits. Some commercial ones but not quite the two hits, some may have alleged to have found.

I will try to be open minded on this topic but not so open that my brain falls out... I just like to give the "little train who could" a chance to even out the playing field, but hey, that's just me. Don't try the guy who tries, after all you didn't put Anthony Robbins on trial just because he had big teeth and cheesy infomercials? ;-)

If you know that the King James Bible was "the only great work of art ever created by a committee", I would turn into wiki atheist in an instant if that was true for Wikipedia. What if wiki knowledge was just a bunch of "selected edited truth" ? This witch hunt should stay its execution, I say let the "little guy" and his peers speak.

Not notable, maybe... I had met with Jay Abraham and Robert Kiyosaki and they didn't think they were that notable (maybe a tad famous commercially), just 'humble' teachers. They told me that they were in it initially for the money and when they got rich, most people they helped thinks they are great philanthropist and did the world a great favor. Robert couldn't speak Japanese to save his life and if it wasn't for his creative and extensive marketing, no one in Japan would know of him. Don't get me wrong, Jay and Robert are great personalities and I love them and their work to bits but there aren't too many selfless Gandhi and Mother Teresa nowadays who does not use money to be notable; I could imagine some good will come out of this guy. Maybe time will tell...

I have been a avid collector and proponent of experiential training methods like those found in Anthony Robbins, Robert Kiyosaki and such; so I am quite familiar with various personal and corporate "change" training system. You might call me a seminar junkie spending all those $$$ ...

I came across Directive Communication (circa 2003) in various parts of South Asia, particularly in Singapore, Malaysia, China (Beijing) and Korea in my travels and (reasonably) extensive collection of training material and books of this nature.

It appears at first to be superficial and grafted materials from various sources but when I cross-referenced all the others I have in my library, I found that they were not an exact match but rather is parallel in some respects to the other teachings. I've gotten less out of my personal Landmark Forum trainings than I got out of researching Directive Communication, go figure.

I suspect that some of the Directive Communication methodology is not a rehash but a different way to look at group dynamics which is not addressed by NLP, DISC or MBTI. I also found that Carmazzi authored three published books in Asia so far: 6 dimensions of top achievers, Identity Intelligence and Lessons from the Monkey King. The last book makes a nice bed time reading reminiscent of "Who moved my cheese" which I enjoy immensely. There is something unique and real here, don't bury it with prejudice.

My concern was not about the commercial nature of the said Directive Communication methodology, since, apart from long dead teachers (Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tze, etc), all modern methods of "change" training exhibits some change of fame/fortune for the teacher/trainer (Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen's "Chicken Soup for the Soul" sold over 100 million copies although it contains stories from others, Anthony Robbins is wealthy because of his NAC which was adapted from NLP * Bandler/Grinder). I see no conflict in Directive Communication trying to gain a spot in this field when some of its components seems to be original works.

So it seems to be somewhat genuine and could be an interesting new way to look at cultural interactions especially in the diverse culture we have in Asia, where the countries are so close together with common boundaries but shares no common language or history (unlike US or some parts of Europe). To me, if it is different, it might make a difference.

Truly amazing is the way that this supposedly obscure methodology has been used by major multi-national corporations here as corporate culture change type training which is not addressed by trainers like Anthony Robbins,etc. There are even hints of some results from the Middle East where it was used in a western style service industry. Perhaps the high heel visitors like Michael Jackson really were pampered by the right kind of attitude changes in that setting and decided to stay (away)... who knows ? That's my $2 worth...Lawong (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)