User talk:Laz 999

October 2022
Hello, I'm Hey man im josh. I wanted to let you know that I removed one or more external links you added to F. Pratten and Co Ltd because they seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Josh, I'm new to this but thought I would like to add some links and references to my genealogical research site, and likewise create links on my site to these Wiki articles. I am the registrant of the website (Lasbury Family History) that I had linked.
 * If you think it inappropriate to link the name or to create a reference then would it be more appropriate to add an external link instead.
 * As I said, I am new to this so happy to take guidance. Laz 999 (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw (glanced at) your changes to Johnny Vegas. You have a conflict of interest to anything on this website stated (Lasbury) which - in any case - is a WP:SPS. You should not cite from a personal website under any circumstances, but especially not in a WP:BLP.


 * Also, be very careful about marking new content as minor. Got to go for a few hours then I'll have a better look. If in doubt - as a novice - leave well alone, and find something to work on that you are not connected to.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I read the conflict of interest page and that refers to "public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted" but these individuals, the perpetrator and the victim, have been dead for 100+ years so no embarrassment is possible and there are no companies or promotions involved.
 * The original research was undertaked by the TV programme so they were confident enough of their facts to create and transmit a TV programme about the event and present that evidence to Johnny Vegas, the descendant of the perpetrator. If there were any public embarrasment then that would have been dealt with by the programme makers.
 * It appears my website of family history research, the result of 30+ years of work with 90,000+ individuals falls into the Wikipedia category of "Self Published Sources". That seems to be correct, my research is meticulous and is only included in the website when I have verified the individual facts in BMD, census records and other official sources.
 * As for my "minor" edit, I saw no definition of how minor an edit could be. I consider it minor to add one sentence to a webpage of that length, plus two citations, one to my own page about the event which has a forward link to the page for William Lasbury and a second citation directly to William Lasbury.
 * My website is free for all to view, it has no promotions, no advertising and is purely online for others to explore, view and hopefully get in touch. I have discovered hundreds of new cousins and put a great many related individuals in touch with each other. I watched the "Secrets from the clink" TV programme when it was broadcast, I included the article in my website and thought it a good idea to create links in both directions to/from Wikipedia to the factual page for William Lasbury.
 * I didn't chhose that article just because I fancied playing around editing Wikipedia articles, I chose it because it lacked any detail of the event. It did not mention the ancestral link between Johnny Vegas and the perpretrator, it did not mention the crime, it did not mention the punishment, and it did not mention the victim. All of that is important detail and I already had a webpage with mention of the perpetrator of the crime and extensive genealogical information about the victim of the crime.
 * Sounds like you are going to delete my efforts anyway, no matter what I say, so you might as well get on with it. Laz 999 (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I - personally - am not about to delete anything; I was about to suggest you self-revert with an appropriate edit summary.


 * Your diatribe immediately above is perhaps the most vehement I have seen from a newbie, lashing out and taking offence at Wikipedia's take on your 30-year project; Wikipedia does not exist for you to link to in your website, nor to accept content so that you can promote your site via inline citation box links - or external as you suggest earlier above: If you think it inappropriate to link the name or to create a reference then would it be more appropriate to add an external link instead. There is something called WP:CIRCULAR which guards against these situations.


 * I'm only passing through here, got to go again, and still haven't looked; I wrote a friendly, bespoke message instead of a standardised missive with embedded warning, but this lack of formality you've oviously taken exception to. Other editors may want to weigh-in.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * All deleted. paragraph of pertinent facts and my two citations.
 * Perhaps you had better sort out the existing citation no.18 because it is certainly bad, the linked page has no mention of the event or the people, it is for something totally different, something about masked singers. That citation seems to have been overlooked.
 * Now this line has no accurate reference. Laz 999 (talk) 22:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:00, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Laz 999! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor&#32;at Johnny Vegas that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)