User talk:Lbmhi007

May 2020
To any reviewing admin, I can privately provide the basis of my beliefs on this matter upon request. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * We can use Google too, you know. MER-C 17:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah - I see. So since I work in marketing, literally EVERYTHING I ever do is marketing. Got it. I'll let my kids know that according to your rules, I don't actually love them - I'm just trying to market things to them. Again. all set with this mess as it doesn't matter to me one but if this is actually posted since I'm not personally benefitting fin any way. No need to respond again.
 * It isn't just that you work in marketing. But does your statement above mean you are withdrawing your request? 331dot (talk) 19:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't necessarily want to withdraw my request, but there is literally no way for me to discuss this with anyone here - all I'm getting are nasty comments like "we can google too" and "that's demonstrably false" or "admins, I'll talk to you privately but I won't share my thoughts about this person with the person themself." I don't see a way to change the outcome. You've decided I'm BS, your question about whether I want to withdraw my request is the first time someone has engaged with me in any sort of productive manner that doesn't involve being nasty, and even then, you still won't tell me what you've apparently googled that means I am a sock puppet. I don't see a path to convincing anyone. Because this isn't that big a deal to me - and not something I'm being paid or asked to do - I don't care enough about getting it posted or ever posting here again, to continue to engage in this. It's too bad.
 * I (or anyone) am not allowed by per the policy WP:OUTING to out other editors, or in other words discuss off-wiki information about them. I can say that the issue is not just that you work in marketing- though it would have been much better for you if you had been up front about this- but the nature of your relationship to both the subject and your friend whom I dealt with before.  At a minimum, this is meatpuppetry because editing the draft has been coordinated off wiki.  We have no way of knowing who is sitting at the computer making edits, and as such we must treat two accounts acting similarly as one person.
 * As I told your friend, they at a minimum have a conflict of interest and I believe that their relationship is stronger than just being friends. Again, I cannot say why I believe this. I repeatedly asked your friend to shed some light on this but they declined. If you are not withdrawing your request, that is fine, a heretofore uninvolved administrator will review your request. 331dot (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to out anyone. We are two newbies who just wanted to get something posted and contribute to the platform with information about a musician. I had no idea my job mattered and was something I had to "disclose." I literally do no know the musician nor am I connected to him in any way. I know the OP and because we are friendly, and both like similar music, I thought I'd help him out. He showed me his draft that was rejected, and I thought, maybe we can soften a few words so it doesn't look like marketing speak - so I helped. Our intentions were good - you were hard on him too. He has zero financial incentive and was upfront about his relationship with the musician's friend. I am certainly not here to tell you how to run Wikipedia, but you might want to stop and think about the fact that not all people know the ins and outs of this - and might have good intentions just need some gentle conversation and redirecting. Seems like I made such a rookie mistake in re-editing my friend's post that I clearly did so innocently. If I was trying to get over on you, I'd be smarter about it. And it is literally impossible to prove a negative. How exactly do you want me to prove that I have no connection to someone with whom I have no connection. What would convince you? If another admin wants to review, that would be great, but I am not hopeful. I'm super disappointed in the way people interact here, though I appreciate your follow up.

UNblock discussion

 * Totally leaning "decline". It is clear you have been coordinating edits. That much is plain. And you do not need to know anyone personally to edit for hire. Nor do you need to be in close proximity to collaborate with someone. I'll leave this undeclined so that other members of the Community can consider your request. Just as a hypothetical, would you be willing to accept the condition that you not edit about Craig Blackwell? If so, please tell us what constructive edits you would make to help build the worlds largest free-content encyclopedia? -- Deep fried okra  User talk:Deepfriedokra 04:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked again at User:Rentonrc/sandbox and have an additional question I'll hold in abeyance. To any reviewing admin, I can tell you my question privately. -- Deep fried okra  User talk:Deepfriedokra 04:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)