User talk:Ldcrank

Someone keeps changing General Hayden's party affiliation to Republican. That is in error. I have known him for over 50 years and over that time he has lived in many different states. When he registered to vote he never registered as a Republican. He spent almost 40 years in the USAF and during that time, as befitting a military officer, he never spoke publicly about his political views. That said, he has shared with me and with others that over the years when voting in many elections - local and national - he has voted for both Republican and Democrat candidates.

He served in leadership positions in both Democrat and Republican administrations, having been appointed Director of NSA by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat and Director of CIA by President George W. Bush, a Republican.

To put his party down as Republican does a disservice to the reader as it is incorrect.

Ldcrank (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)Ldcrank 03:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)03:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016
Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Michael Hayden (general), but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jim1138 (talk) 05:40, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Michael Hayden (general)
Surely you can post a wp:reliable source (this means someone can go look it up) that states that Hayden is an independent? The article has four sources who say Hayden is Republican. I have no idea who you are and if you really know Hayden or not. Even if I were to believe you, the next editor may not. You need to publish a reliable source stating that Hayden is independent or just leave the article be. wp:self-identification such as Twitter or a Facebook post would be sufficient. I am sorry, but I can't simply take your word for it. If you continue reverting this without a reliable source, you will likely be wp:blocked Jim1138 (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * re talk:Michael Hayden (general) Yes, there is no proof. But, they are considered wp:reliable sources they have a vested interest in being accurate. They generally, but not always, strive for accuracy and they do make mistakes. However, it appears that Wikipedia as decided to take RS at face value. So what they say generally is what the article reflects. So, the way to change the article is with either RS or WP:self-identification. Also, you could open a ticket on Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. But be forewarned, RS is the order of the day there. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:24, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Michael Hayden (general) General Hayden himself is the most reliable source about his own biography. See the following at approximately 6:52 he addresses the issue of his party affiliation on "Morning Joe" today: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/general-hayden-trump-insults-his-audience-742217795645 Based upon what he says you may not think it sufficient to call him an independent but surely you cannot label him a Republican if he will not call himself that! The previously cited reliable sources made assumptions without asking. Ldcrank (talk) 12:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)ldcrankLdcrank (talk) 12:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I did a bit of formatting to your comment. There were two copies of your signature which I removed one. You had added that reference twice and I removed the second. The second was enclosed in a ref/ref which can cause formatting problems on talk pages. W/o a they are always at the bottom of the page, even when others add a new section. The one ref is still there btw. I also added a  The article is Michael Hayden (general) not Michael V. Hayden (general) (redlink) and people won't easily find that. Please make sure I didn't accidentally mess up something of yours?


 * I also added the old references "supporting" Hayden being a Republican.


 * I agree that Hayden would be the most reliable source on the matter, but there is the issue of wp:verifiability which is not addressed here. Does Hayden have a Twitter or Facebook account? If he were to tweet that he is "Independent" per wp:self-identification that would lock it up and no further discussion would be necessary. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 00:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * BTW: I added the template here Instructions are at the top of wp:BLP/N Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, nobody commented on the BLP/N. I guess I'm done here. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 21:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC)