User talk:Ldingley/Archive 2

Many thanks, Luis. Stay in touch. All the best, my friend. Kober 14:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Luis, I don't worry about it. It is very sad that I put so mush effort in one symbol. You are too smart for this place. Why don't you get a ph.D (if you don't have one) and go to Brittanica. You are the best and you get the best pics ever. Regards

P.S. In addition, I am just wondering if you plan to stay until May 30 or ealy June in Tbilisi. May 30th is my arrival date in Georgia.

Sosomk 18:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Luis, as far as I know you cannot delete the images, but you can request it by placing on the image's page. --Kober 18:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bolshevikoccupation.jpg
Hey Luis,

Awhile back one of my fellow Armenian colleagues (MarshallBagramyan) asked you about the origin of this image. Like he stated earlier, it doesn't look like its the occupation of Baku for a couple of reasons. First, the hats worn by the soldiers appear to be from the 1930s to the World War II era and not the pointy ones worn by Bolshevik soldiers during the Russian Revolution. The vehicle has to be 10-15 (they look like the troop transport GAZ trucks used during the war) years early for its time. The rifles are German Mausers (nearly all Soviet soldiers used the Mosin-Nagant rifle during the Russian Revolution), the machine guns held by them are Czech made ZB vz.26s which the first prototype didn't come into use until 1923. They look like soldiers arriving back from the war since many of them are decorated with medals. Could these be Czech soldiers who fought against the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War? -- Clevelander 20:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

speedy-tagged Azeri images
Hello, you recently tagged a bunch of images of Azeri people that you photographed with speedy deletion tags. I have removed these tags. It is not clear on what grounds you wish them deleted. Where the photos actually taken by you, and did you release rights of re-use in an e-mail as User:Khoikhoi stated? Andrew Levine 22:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Libertysquare.jpg
You are not the uploader of the image concerned, why you tag it with a speedy deletion tag with such reasoning? --WinHunter (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please provide evidence that you are indeed the uploader. According to the record the uploader is User:Khoikhoi but not you. --WinHunter (talk) 14:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You need to provide evidence with your claims, or alternatively you can ask that user to tag them for deletion. --WinHunter (talk) 14:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging
Hi. You have been tagging a series of images in the last day or so which were not uploaded by you (or at least not by this user-id) by removing the original licence ("However, the copyright holder has irrevocably released all rights to it, allowing it to be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited in any way by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, with or without attribution of the author, as if in the public domain.") and replacing it with the text "They were sold and copyrighted to gettyimages inc. They were sold and copyrighted to gettyimages inc. This image solemnly belongs to photo distribution company which has legal rights to the photo materials which they purchased." Given that once a copyright holder has released images "irrevocably" then that is exactly what is meant! The status cannot be changed in this manner. Someone is, of course, able to sell the images should they wish to do so but they cannot 'recover' the copyright given that those rights have been irrevocably released. As such Wikipedia is quite correct and at liberty to continue using those images. Further, given that you are not the original uploader anyway then you shouldn't be seeking to amend the image status anyway. --AlisonW 14:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Blocked
You are being blocked because you have made legal threats which is against Wikipedia policy. --WinHunter (talk) 14:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see No legal threats --WinHunter (talk) 14:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Remove these messages again, and your talk-page will be protected to preserve them. Stop now before you dig yourself any deeper. Oh, and read this while you're thinking about it. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 14:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You should warn people before you block them. You did not warn. Its unfair. Ldingley 14:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * well i was not threatening him personally with legal action. I guess i have to contact gettyimages and they will solve this issue. But i would have been wise to remove them before i ddi that, but its too late. Thanks for blocking without warning. Ldingley 14:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see the No legal threats policy in nutshell: Do not make threats or claims of legal action against users or Wikipedia itself. If you have a dispute with user(s) or the Community, use dispute resolution. If you see a legal problem such as defamation or copyright infringement, a polite report is welcome and will be acted on quickly. If you do choose to take legal action, please refrain from editing until it is resolved. So it doesn't matter if the legal threat is not directed to me. As long as the legal threats stays you are blockable until after the legal procedure is over. --WinHunter (talk) 14:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please unblock me. I have no legal procedures against you or Wikipedia. You know that well. Ldingley 15:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I fully accept that Gettyimages may feel they have some rights on these images, however the fact remains that you cannot rescind the status they were given as, quite simply, irrevocable means irrevocable! --AlisonW 14:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI

Getty Images 	 to me

Dear Mr Dingley, We have receive your email about copyright violation by Wikipedia and will contact their administration for violation of copyright laws of GettyImages. Please fell free to contact me via email or phone. Regards, Ramalla Adir, All contents © 2006 Getty Images, Inc. All rights reserved.


 * If you know what route they will be using to contact us I shall check for its receipt but I shall advise them the same as I'm advising you: You have sold them (copyright) something that was not yours to sell. --AlisonW 14:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okey, you know what? im retreating from this. maybe you are right and im wrong. I did not make personal threats to Winhunter of legal action. Im sorry if he understood that way. I just warned Wiki policy of copyright laws. But its up to you and them now. But i can donate some of them if you really need them. regards. Ldingley 15:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you mean it was not mine to sell? what right do you have to say so? I am author of thsoe work and those are my photographs. This is going too far :( Ldingley 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please remove my block, i was not warned of being blocked. I with they did. It is unfair. Ldingley 15:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Not yours to sell
As I understand it, you provided those pictures to someone who uploaded them with a licence which irrevocably released them to be used as Wikipedia sees fit. You therefore cannot turn around and sell them to someone else with an exclusive licence because you cannot revoke the first one. If I have misunderstood the situation, please explain how: clearly and calmly. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okey Phil. I did not know that procedure. Well I am author of many photographs. I sent Azerbaijan ones to Khoikhoi via email so he can publish it here on Wiki. I wanted to share them with the rest of community. 3 days ago, Gettyimages contacted me and purchased majority of my work which was done in Ethiopia, Egypt, Georgia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan and Armenia. I sold them and they responded that according to their procedure it was copyrighted to their organization. So i presumed that i violate their policy and should remove my work from Wikipedia. As i see now, I cant any longer due to your explanation. So i give up. Use them and keep them. I can donate more photos. But im afraid from legal complications with Gettyimages. That’s why i started to protest. Well, that’s all. I don’t really deserve to be blocked like this. If he warned me and explained to me, i would have stopped bothering him. Ah well. Thanks for your attention. All the best. I give up Phil.

Ldingley 15:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

p.s and im sorry for misunderstanding and confusion. Thanks


 * Guys, in such a compicated situation one should try not to damage the interests of the other party and the block is indeed not the solution. So I think the block should be immediately removed to allow Ldingley to resolve the problem. --Kober 15:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Kober please tell me whats going on in Georgia? im just reading the news. Ldingley 15:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Today, there was a clash near Tskhinvali. Georgian police officers attempted to arrest smugglers accompanied by Ossetian militimen. The letter opened fire, and as a result, one Georgian and three Ossetians are killed. That Russian general who heads the South Ossetian "defense ministry" threatens to organize acts of sabotage on the Georgian territory. Yesterday, 30 Igor Giorgadze's party members were arrested for a coup attempt. It is high time to get rid of these 5th columnists who scream Comrade giorgadze's name in the Kremlin's ears.--Kober 15:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Terrible. They should have arrested Giorgadzes people long ago. BTW Kober, yesterday i read almost whole book of Lang of Moder History of Georgia. Did you know about the massacres of Georgians in 1905 by Russian nationalist wing called "Russia's patriots." They killed raped and terrorized Tbilisi for whole month. Lang gives detailed info on that. Ldingley 15:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Really? I did not know that fact. I know that Cossacks pillaged Guria and fired at a meeting of the workers assembled in the City Hall that year, but I have never heard of "Russia's patriots". Hmm... the history of Georgia needs to be rewritten. Too many facts were distorted under Russian/Soviet rule. Kober 15:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked
I have lifted the block paced on you by User:Winhunter for legal threats because (1) there is no warning on WP:LEGAL about threats leading to blocks, and {2) I don't think your complaint constituted a "legal threat" (per the page I just linked to). However, realize that you agreed to irrevocably release the rights to the images you had uploaded, and this means that you were not able to sell them to Getty. I suggest you contact Getty, tell them about how you had released all legal rights prior to the sale, and ask that the sale be annulled. Andrew Levine 16:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Andrew. But me as author has full authority to release and take way rights to the photo. Am I not? But I'll leave it as it is. Thank you for unblocking me. Regards. Ldingley 16:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * P.s Andrew Im still blocked. Ldingley 16:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing.

You were blocked by Winhunter for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Ldingley". The reason given for Ldingley's block is: "making legal threats on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWinh Your IP address is 64.56.235.16.


 * Irrevocably means "cannot be revoked". Once you have irrevocably released a right to do something -- and this applies not just to copyrights but any rights -- you can't take it back. P.S. Try editing your User Page again, the block log shows that you have been unblocked. Note that someone may later re-block you if you remove the copyright tags again. Andrew Levine 16:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine Andrew, let it be as you said. I dont have any mor eobjections. I tried to edit my uder page, but i still get massage that im blocked. I did not delete any copyright tags. BTW can i attach delete tags to thos eimages which i uploaded? Thanks again, Ldingley 16:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw the "Farewell" to Wikipedia in the history (that you just deleted). Please do not tell me that you are really leaving! IPs can be unblocked, though it takes a little work. Give it some time and you'll be unblocked and everything will work out. I'm sorry about the situation with the images; they're very high quality and I'm certain that you could have benefited from selling them to Getty, but the copyright cannot be restored, I don't think. Unfortunately, looking through the Image licensing types, I don't think that there is a suitable license for you to be able to allow Wikipedia to use the image and at the same time sell the image or hold a copyright over it. Jimbo Wales has said that all images, as well as information (aside from Fair use, which is permittable, but which we try to avoid) should be free (as in Libre, not money-wise) to allow anyone to use any part of Wikipedia. Sorry about the whole situation, but I hope you reconsider (or maybe you already have?) your decision to hleave Wikipedia. I'm sure you can contribute without using the images that want to sell to Getty. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 06:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I found your IP address was still blocked. Try editing now. Andrew Levine 13:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

My Greatest Apologies
Hello there L. Dingley, sorry for adding the comment. I added it on the Coptic christianity article instead of the Copts article. Cluckbang 22:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Cluckbang

WOW
I emailed you, Luis. A scanned version is also great. Thanks a lot, my friend. --Kober 18:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)