User talk:LeQuattroStagioni/archive2

Pia Tassinari
Yes it was me, I had entered the wrong info by mistake, have changed it again with reason in edit. Marleau (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sébastien Izambard
Hi I thought we were putting these people in the Opera crossover cat, not opera cats. What do you think? What should we do with them? --Kleinzach (talk) 01:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. Now i understand. I've removed the French opera singers cat which confused me. --Kleinzach (talk) 01:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:DomingoJ1.jpg
What is the exact wording of the permissions on this image?Genisock2 (talk) 12:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * yes but what was the exact wording of the permission?Genisock2 (talk) 21:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not in that email see anything releasing the image under the GFDL or any other free license.Genisock2 (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You realize that is either legally meaningless or against wikipedia's policy on invariant sections?

Adding a to the La rondine roles box
I don't know what you see on your screen, but, with the added break command, on my screen the line breaks TWICE, the first time after "gentlemen" and the second after "grisettes" (where your is placed).

Surely, by leaving these chorus/minor roles to run across 3 or 4 columns as appropriate to the roles box, the lines will break according to each individual's page settings. Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Jay: It looks fine now and breaks where it did before. Maybe we can get rid of the, but so far, it's fine, so I'll leave it. Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Christmas in Vienna
Hi there! :-)

Glad someone appreciates it. ;-) Well I know about the "Christmas In Vienna" album not being just by Diana Ross, but if you include all the performers in the infobox it reads Diana Ross, Placido Domingo & José Carreras Chronology - which isn't right either. Or do you prefer that? Either way is fine by me. Any suggestions? Dreamer.se (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

As I said; either way is OK by me. I'll accept any alterations you make.

Peace.

Dreamer.se (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Question: you prefer the tracklisting without the composers, track lengths and the correct Wikipedia format for song titles?

Dreamer.se (talk) 18:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Okie doke. Consider it done.

Dreamer.se (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Question #2: the CD album has 15 tracks, the DVD 20 - do you want both tracklistings?

Dreamer.se (talk) 18:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

OK. Give me two minutes and that will be fixed. Dreamer.se (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Correction: both have 15 tracks but different running orders and track annotations; no track length available for track 1 on the DVD however.

But now that's all sorted.

Everybody happy now? :-)

Take care

/S

Dreamer.se (talk) 18:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Opera logo
Hi I'm Immanuel from Hungarian Wikipedia. I created a new Opera Portal logo for Hungarian Opera Portal (see commons), that was the reason for this change. But, I see You don't liked the new one, sorry :(. --85.66.62.70 (talk) 18:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

La reine de Saba
Hi, A question for you here. Regards, Sparafucil (talk) 23:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox classical composer
This was recreated and I've put this up for deletion (and blocking) see Templates_for_deletion. Thanks. --Kleinzach (talk) 02:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Luciano Pavarotti
The infobox sock-warrior is at it again! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 20:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Portal talk:Opera
Well, I don't think I understand this. Why do we have this special portal template? Do we need any banner at all? I'm a bit confused by this. Best. -- Klein zach  14:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK I'm going to remove the article banner because it asks for an assessment which is not relevant on the portal. Actually I don't think the portal needs anything as it is like the project page itself, obviously Opera and obviously Opera Project. Let me know if I've misunderstood anything here. I'll leave the portal banner as it is. Best. -- Klein zach  23:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Istana_Budaya_and_The_Eye_of_Malaysia.jpg
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Speedy deletion of Image:Istana Budaya and The Eye of Malaysia.jpg
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Public ≠ free license
On Flickr, "public" just means anyone can view it. It doesn't mean that it's public domain. It clearly had a copyright notice. ViperSnake151 02:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Plácido Domingo repertoire
His debut as "Radames" was in 1967. Therefore any performances as that role cannot be counted as repertoire. Repertoire is for the list of roles that he has taken, and the official number is 130. - Jay (talk) 10:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information, sorry for the late reply, best wishes . Ghaly (talk) 11:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Plácido Domingo vandal returns
The 'age vandal' is at it again! I've already reverted twice today. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Turandot
The Ashbrook & Powers tome seems fairly clear that Schiller was only used as an initial inspiration (see p60, 61 - see below), and the back cover of the Ricordi score says 'Adami & Simoni adapted from Gozzi'. Linuxlad (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * p60, describes how Simoni mentionned Gozzi's version of T over lunch and brought a copy of  Maffei's translation of Schiller's version down to Puccini who was then already in his compartment the train.
 * p61 'P's next letter to mention T, an undated one to Adami, reports that he is returning the book Simoni had given him. Since P there after usually referred to Gozzi's play as their source, he must have soon found a copy of it.' Linuxlad (talk)

Fair use
The lead image in Salvatore Fisichella is a problem yes. The others it could be argued are needed to show a specific point in a person's career.Genisock2 (talk) 04:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Non free images have to be in line with our Non-free content policy. If they are you can use them although it may not be desirable to do so.Genisock2 (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice try but it's called fair "use" for a reason. Use is everything and looking for analogues outside actual hard case law is kinda dicey. Certianly any claim that something like this is okey in article X thus I should be able to this in article Y isn't going to get you very far. FWIW the answer for the images in the order given would be:


 * Probably not (but not not worth the fight it would take people to accept this ::at the moment)
 * dito
 * maybe (depends on a couple of unknown factors)
 * Probably okey (again there are unknown factors).

Genisock2 (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message
I've replied on my page to your general point but I wonder if you have a look at Salvatore Fisichella. The user is currently deleting my comments on the Talk page and the Copy&Paste tag on the article. -- Klein zach  08:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Re Question about photos in Singer articles
Hi Jay, I left an answer to your queries about the issue, why some images get removed, and the fair use rationales for the images in José Carreras over at Kleinzach's talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Portal
Hi. There was a problem with the Orange photo so I've reduced and also added 'thumb' frames. Hope this is OK, if not feel free to alter it again. Best. -- Klein zach  01:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Turandot Act 1 Finale
You're both half right. Liu, Timur, and I Ministri sing 'La Morte!'. The crowd sing 'Ah!' (ref - p137 of the paperback Ricordi score) Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 09:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Man of La Mancha
Definitely a musical. How about separately under 'Recordings of musicals' or 'Musical theatre recordings'? We can't use 'Music recordings' because everything is a music recording. Best. -- Klein zach  10:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Domingo Statue
Got your photo. Where do you want me to send it? Thelmadatter (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Battle
Thanks for letting me know Jay. I will try to stick to the format you are advocating. I will let you know when I am done adding and feel free to edit as needed.Nrswanson (talk) 17:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am done adding stuff to the recording section.Nrswanson (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Madama Butterfly
I just responded on the talk page. Sorry it took me a while. I was in the middle of another project and I had to pull out my score again.Nrswanson (talk) 05:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Michael Nyman navbox
As you've been involved with the opera navboxes, I wonder if you can have a look at Template:Michael Nyman? This is a huge navbox full of red links which is being added to some short articles. I've tried to persuade the editor to remove the red links. His box also duplicates the opera navbox. -- Klein zach  03:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Bernstein template
Perhaps a better template for Bernstein would be entitled "Stage works by Leonard Bernstein" and in that way classsification of the works in question can be discussed on the actual articles.Nrswanson (talk) 16:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Great idea! It would be much nicer than the current skinny horizontal one:

There's even a public domain image you can use: Image:Leonard Bernstein 1971.jpg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Since the article has already have the navigation template, I dont think there is a need to create one like our standard template - Jay (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Jay. The musicals project always uses the "skinny horizontal" templates. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Kalman operetta navbox?
This is also a big cat if you are interested in doing another box: Category:Operas by Emmerich Kálmán. Best. -- Klein zach  10:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Klein zach  01:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The opera corpus
Sorry to delete your Cimarosa additions in the confusion. I'm wondering whether you could add to the statistics at the bottom of the page when you add works? Would that be OK? -- Klein zach  01:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Una furtiva lagrima
hi!

i agree, you were right to revert it. The version that that other user posted was EXTREMELY poetic, and for the most part had nothing to do with the libretto itself.

however the current version is hardly better. I will write my own translation, which would be a direct, line-for-line translation. Sounds good? --OettingerCroat (talk) 04:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, here you can see the final product. :-) Cheers! --OettingerCroat (talk) 04:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Opera stubs
Hi. I'll hold off on getting too involved in it. I was asked to close the June debate by a WP:Opera member and it seemed to me the strength of the arguments in the preceding paragraph outweighed the struggle to come to a consensus at the bottom which didn't seem all that clear. If it was a clear speedy close then I'm not sure why I was asked to close it when anybody could have. I don;t think any of my edits this morning are as controversial as has been reported and is acting well within stub sorting guidelines except the language ones which I haven't got around to sorting yet because of the disapproval. I thought it was what the project wanted. If I was mistaken or I tagged some beloeved start class articles by mistake I apologise, but every edit I made wa sin good faith and trying to help organize what is actually a very good project on here. I also think the opera biography stubs is perfectly reasonable if not solely for composers, for opera directors and opera critics which also require development to reach their potential. Regards The Bald One     White cat 12:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Classical music
Hi. I don't know whether you might have time to look at this? It's been neglected since July or longer. As you have had experience doing the Opera one perhaps you will know how to fix the layout etc. Best. -- Klein zach  02:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Whoever was doing the Classical Music portal isn't around any longer. Why not join the project? There aren't many members and there is a huge amount of work.-- Klein  zach  03:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Opera and our standpoint in consensus
Hi, I've responded on my talk page, as I prefer to keep discussions on the page where they started. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thx for the message. I've been away from my computer for a week and am en route back to England.  I'm just catching up on email and other essential things from a friend's computer so don't have time to look into what's been happening here right now.  I'll get back to you on Wednesday - sorry to be slow, but that's when I'll be back home with permanent Internet access.  Feel free to send me an email before then if you like - I've enabled email on my user page.  Best. --GuillaumeTell 14:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The Met
Stop adding the met category, if you insist to continue, please discuss in Wiki Project Opera - Jay (talk) 04:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to respond to any polite inquiries or comments. In any case, I'm finished. Markhh (talk) 05:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope you can respond in a less abrupt manner and explain what you thought was wrong with a Met category. It seemed a reasonable way to link significant Met-related articles. I suppose the main Met entry does that just as well, however. Markhh (talk) 05:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Manon
I have the Manon cleanup about half done (lots of clicks and pops, but the underlying recording is pretty good), but I'm feeling ill and need to lie down a bit. I'll finish it when I've rested. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 17:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 00:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

There's also a Caruso recording of "On J'appelle Manon" (think that's right, my French is appalling), that I think I'll do as well. There's also this and this which don't seem worth it. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi SH. I'd recommend that you check in each case whether we have an article on the singer. If we don't it's probably not worth pursuing it. Almost all major singers now have articles. -- Klein zach  05:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can get a famous singer in ever single case, and still illustrate opera well. There's a limited amount of public domain music, and you've stated that you don't want too much of the same singers, which makes it even more difficult. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal
Looks good, though I did a formatting tweak, because it was looking a tiny bit untidy. Might I suggest one addition, though?

Of course, a Caruso-Farrar duet is probably capable of standing on its own. =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not a problem, there - Though I was planning to go a bit over the top as my private way of celebrating the Puccini anniversary, if you don't mind. =)
 * I suppose it's best to plan on two months for the moment, but I am doing a great deal of audio restoration, and it may well be that 2 a month is, in fact, doable for a fairly long term. Can wait until we have a decent backlog for that, though =)
 * Would you object to Gilbert and Sullivan one month? I have about 5 H.M.S. Pinafore clean-ups ongoing, all of very good quality, and pretty notable. And we don't actually have a Gilbert and Sulivan portal, at least, not in any sort of finished state. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooh, what if we coupled the "On l'apelle Manon" with an Auber and/or Puccini Manon Lescaut? This is the Auber I have: (I think I may be able to clean it up a bit better than that MP3). The singer in that one sounds rather looser and more operettaish than opera, but I think that works fine for the rôle.  I think I'll have to check another archive for the Puccini, though, I find the only Puccini on the archive rather unpleasantly vibrato (here, if you want to form your own opinion).  If we can get all three, that would make a great addition to the article on the book.
 * I'm not feeling that critical at the moment, though - I'm not very well today - so you'll have to see what you think about that first recording. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm all over the place today. As I said, I plan to g way over the top for the Puccini anniversary. If I have my way, it won't be so much finding 2, as choosing 2 from the dozen or so I do in the leadup to it. =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
It might be best to do Puccini for December/January - his birthday is December 22nd, which may well push us into early January before the peak dies down. I've made a list of about 16 high-quality recordings and a couple maybes - mainly La bohème, Madama Butterfly, and Tosca.. =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 05:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Le Cid
I know, I should be doing Tosca, but, well, thought I'd finish up what I had started first. Can you give me your thoughts on this restoration?

I need to make sure that I got that right before I move to the next step, because it'll be hard to backtrack once I start on the removal of that rhythmic skipping/scraping noise. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 23:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I probably can't remove all the scraping noise, but if you can remove enough that it no longer has a regular beat, it becomes much less noticeable then. Perfectionist? Maybe a bit. But it gets good results. =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Tosca
Sorry I haven't communicated with you about this for a while - I have been doing some work, but have been having a lot of second thoughts about whether it was as good as it could be. I put a couple on WT:OPERA - they're not in articles yet - see what you think, and if you have any advice? Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 01:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes. Are these necessary by November, or by December? I have three or four Sullivan we could use for November if there's a rush, and, of course, we do already have three or four Puccini, I just want to get more =) I can always work extra hard the next couple days if I have to. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 05:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Date format in Opera roles table
Hi Jay,

Thank you for explaining your reasons for redoing the changes to the roles tables. I apologise for not having extended the same courtesy to you when I first undid them. However, even after consulting the opera guideline that you recommended, I still have serious reservations.

First, it seems to me that the opera guideline doesn't really mandate the use of the American date format, rather, it simply gives an example to show the appropriate layout of a roles table, which just happens to use that format. Making any particular date format mandatory directly contradicts other well established guidelines such as WP:MOSNUM and is a decision that is unlikely to achieve consensus.

Secondly, the guidelines for choosing a date format are clearly laid out in WP:MOSNUM:

Format consistency


 * As the articles in question use the non-American date format for all of the other dates, your changes violated this guideline. Consistency across all opera articles is certainly desirable, but it is less important than consistency within an article.  This is the consistency that I was referring to in my edit summary.

Strong national ties to a topic


 * As the articles in question related to non-American composers, your changes violated this guideline.

Retaining the existing format


 * As the articles in question had evolved using the non-American date format, your changes violated this guideline.

I'll wait a couple of days in case you disagree with what I've said or you want to point out something I've overlooked; however, unless you do, I'll make my changes again. The Stickler (talk) 15:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Jay,

Sorry to be slow to reply, but I've been away for the last week.

Thanks for sorting this out so quickly. I'd be happy to help if you think I could be useful. However, I'm not sure that I could keep up with you - you seem to have boundless energy.

Cheers, The Stickler (talk) 14:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Puccini sounds
I think I can get all the Tosca (or at least one for each song) done in time for December 1st. There's about a dozen La bohème recordings, so that'll probably just be highlights. The Gianni Schicchi, and Manon Lescaut just have one or two each, so they should be doable. Madame Butterfly doesn't have any yet, though, so I'm going to have to get at least a couple of those done before going back to Tosca and La bohème.

I don't think I'll make my goal for the full two dozen or so (Total so far: 6, though it must be said that in that time I also did four or five Massenet, some Donizetti, some Sullivan, and so on) in time for the portal update, but I think I can still manage to do far more than you're willing to let me include in a single update. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 05:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Update:

Tosca

Having already done it, I am certain I can get Tosca done by December 1st. Gia mi dicon venal is the weak link in that set, but I'll poke at its restoration a bit more. I thought I'd do some Madame Butterfly next, since I have two or three La bohème. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 08:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * N.B. I'm going to replace the E lucevan le stelle with an even better one I found. I've not done any Madama Butterfly yet, but I did do Gianni Schicchi and Manon Lescaut, so still, a venture into new operas. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 05:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Le Villi and the Narrator
Hi Whjanyg, I see that you added the Narrator to the cast of the discography. This is correct, since those recordings include the voice of the Narrator, but maybe it should be pointed out that the opera hasn't a Narrator as a character and that it's a mistake to declaim those verses, since Fontana wrote them only for the reader. --Al Pereira(talk) 00:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again. The problem is that it doesn't exist any Narrator in the score and in the libretto. See, and . --Al Pereira(talk) 02:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. What I suggest is to point out that the Narrator doesn't exist, either in the text or in a note. I apoligize for not doing it myself, but I prefer to avoid to edit the en.wiki articles because of my poor English. If you could do it, I'm sure that the result is much better. --Al Pereira(talk) 06:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Jules Garcin
Info Boxes - It seems to me that the consensus FOR info boxes is just as strong and compelling, and even though some editors claim there is a consensus on the issue (against them), the jury is still out. I Support info boxes. I truly believe that infoboxes, in addition to the lead paragraph, are valuable and useful for people not familiar with the subject. They can glance at the infobox, read the lead, and decide for themselves whether the rest of the article is worth reading or not. It seems to me that as far as this argument of yea or nea..... I totally agree with Andy Mabbett  there is, still, clearly no consensus on this issue. The claim on the project page is bogus.

On top of that, Jules Garcin was a violinist/conductor (first and foremost), and there are still many infoboxes on existing "historic" violinists articles. I have created the article on Jules Garcin, I feel it provides the look of a real Encyclopedia (with an info box). Many find that  informative  info boxes add rather than detract. Milliot (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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Portal:Opera
Would six songs be too indulgent? I have a lot of good stuff for Verdi. Of course, we could always come back to him - indeed, there's a LOT of stuff that I'm not even considering for in the six.

As of this moment, there's four songs done (La forza del destino, La traviata, Un ballo in maschera, and Aida), and I thought I'd get Rigoletto (Bella Figlia Dell'amore) and Otello (Sì, pel ciel) to round it out. That still doesn't get half of his notable operas, but, well, we'll come back to him.

Any ideas for next month? Sullivan? Wagner? Donizetti? Bizet/Flotow (I know I have two strong Bizet recordings, but the rest I've tried have been pretty bad, so we'd have to mix him with a minor composer)?

I'd kind of like to get one recording for every composer on List of major opera composers, barring, of course, the ones still in copyright. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 14:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. I'll get the last two done, though I'll try to throw off a little Mendelssohn in the midst o' that, for the Classical music portal. There's been a request for Handel for April, that looks likely to work out pretty decently. (Though he straddles Oratorio and Opera a lot) I'll see what seems good at the time. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. that's six. I could get that up to 9 if you wanted, and still have enough left for another Verdi month, but that may be getting a little excessive. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,, I'm going to call that done for now. There's eight, so there's room to cut one or two if you don't think they're good enough, or we could save some for a future Verdi month (I intend to come back to Verdi later this year - there's a lot of high-quality stuff out there that I haven't done any work on. All the major operas could have four or five recordings each.), but for now, I think it's best I move on to other commitments, and composers with less representation in audio.) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not so much the portal as the other aspect, of course: Verdi almost completely lacked audio illustration, and what he had wasn't very good. By doing seven songs, plus Dendodge's one (which I suggested to him - I'm helping teach him audio editing skills, because, hey, there's a lot more than I can do alone), each from a different opera, we gain a valuable resource for Verdi-related articles. Later we can go in and round out our coverage. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, just choose them. I've asked three times for people to comment, and while I might have some chance of eliminating two, you've reduced the number to three now, and if you seriously think I have the objectivity to reduce it to three wisely, you haven't read anything I wrote about how long I have to spend listening to them. Try and include Dendodge's É scherzo, though - I want to support new restorationists. I'm not going to be able to do this forever. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Opera
Think it's worth getting this pushed through as a featured portal? We've all been working on it pretty hard. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 19:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

(Going by opera name, since they're all different) Un ballo in maschera, La forza del destino, Otello, Rigoletto, Il trovatore, and Ernani. Listening again, the La traviata and Aida sound a bit over-cleaned. I'll want to try them again eventually, and see if I can do better with the sources I have. If you want, do the first three for February, the second three for March. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If we're going for three, Otello, Un ballo in maschera, and Il trovatore would at least be a balanced choice. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Albéniz operas
The booklet which comes with the Merlin recording says that the opera was finished on 25 April 1902. [p. 16, "Isaac Albéniz's elusive Grail" by Jacinto Torres. (Torres has cataloged Albéniz's works for musical theater.)] Further on p. 18 he states that Launcelot remains in unfinished form, while Guenevere was never written. You may want to modify the list to reflect this information. I think it should probably show "(1902)" as the date for Merlin and "(unfinished)" for Launcelot. (I'm unfamiliar with these templates, so did not want to do it myself.) Thanks. Robert.Allen (talk) 11:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Opera looks strange
Hi Jay, Is it just me, or is it now all oddly aligned with great chunks of purple? I think the problem may come from the images in the new Selected Article, and Featured Singer and Composer, especially the image in Pelleas. Would making them a bit smaller help? Voceditenore (talk) 14:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It's fixed now. I think it was the Fenice picture that was too wide. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Changes to Portal:Opera - Discussion
I've opened a discussion on this at the OP.. All contributions welcome. (I'm notifying all OP members who have participated in the discussions about the portal) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal
Jay, I've avoided the debate over the portal because it would probably only create more friction but I have to say I preferred your version. I've learnt from experience to avoid having anything to do with any Wiki process that has the words "Good" or "Featured" in the title. It's not worth the hassle just to get a tiny gold star stuck on the top right of the page. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Handel
Hi. There have been some changes to the Handel template — basically making it collapsible — and a discussion about it. Perhaps you'd like to have a look here? Best -- Klein zach  08:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Placido Domingo
Hi Jay. I thought you might enjoy this article about Placido Domingo in the New York Times if you haven't read it already: .Nrswanson (talk) 04:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Current Opera Project discussions
Hello from the Opera Project. I'm writing to all members on the active list to let them know that we could use your input on several issues currently under discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera:
 * The use of italics in article titles
 * Possible changes to the article guidelines concerning "Selected Recordings"
 * Suggestions for the July Composer of the Month and Opera of the Month

Please drop by if you have the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Message to all members of WikiProject Opera
Please see our project's talk page for a discussion of the possible changes to Wikipedia's policy on the biographies of living persons and the implications this will have for many articles under the project's banner. This is especially important if you are looking after or have created unreferenced or minimally referenced opera-related biographies of living people. Voceditenore (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Parsifal
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Parsifal/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

File:LeroyAJay.JPG listed for deletion
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Infobox_Town_AT timestamp fixed plus {EWZ} & {EWD}
Thanks for noting the timestamp error. I have updated {Infobox_Town_AT} (see dif455) for "population_as_of=" to get timestamp date by prefix digit ("4") for Gmunden, or when "key < 0" to use date specified in "population_as_of=" (rather than always show timestamp from Metadata_population_AT-1). I have known about that incorrect timestamp, for years, but was continually distracted from fixing it by trivial issues, and I cannot apologize enough for all the frustrations you had trying to view the timestamp for the town populations you had updated. Fixed now, but again sorry for the mindboggling error.

Also, I should note new population Template:EWZ count and Template:EWD date timestamp, for use within the text of an Austria town page, as done on German WP, except {EWZ} will show population totals with comma as thousands separator. For example Gmunden could use to show population count. Thanks again for noting the frustrations about the date timestamp. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)