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The Bugle: Issue CXII, July 2015
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Reference errors on 24 July
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Eranbot Project
LeadSongDog, nice to see you patrolling the copyright bot. I am trying to convince the programmer to modify the diffs that the bot runs through the plagiarism check. It would be great if diffs that are simply lists of facts are excluded from consideration. That would be less articles to follow up on. My idea was to exclude diffs that lack common English words (be, to, of, in, that, have, it, for, not, on, with, he, as, you, do, as, this, but, his, they, we, say, her, she, will, my, all, would, there, their, what). Those words are 'necessary' to make sentences, rather than just list of facts. Your thoughts? Maybe add a comment on the Eranbot talk page if you support his tweak to the program. Personally, I note "list of facts" in the edit summaries when tagging as "false positive." --Lucas559 (talk) 20:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Clever but it would miss non-English copypastes. Agree though that the false positives need to come down. Excluding templates where parameters are just a few words from the comparison might help. LeadSongDog come howl!  05:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

As a subject matter expert
…and "Wikipedian but not a WIkipedian", I am clueless as to the meaning of your "V, RS reason to keep" shorthand. And if I am, we can be sure that the novice user, Jrfw51, will be as well. Wikilinks, there? or more full explanation? Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's wp:V and wp:RS. We don't generally link everything possible just because we could, per wp:OVERLINK. Even novices are quickly introduced to the five pillars. If you haven't been, then its time that you were.LeadSongDog come howl!  17:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For the record, I was aware of the five pillars before they were formally five. Moreover, my history and long experience as a professional educator makes me aware, in this context, that one letter abbreviations as wikilinks to help pages, while among the most useful tools of experienced wikipedians, likewise are among the most jargonistic, and heirarchy-of-user indulging creations of WP—and so the least useful at developing well-versed future editors. (I routinely use WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE, utterly overwhelming as these are to ones personal productivity.) Feel free to have a look at my user page before you more deeply ingrain your sense of my inferiority, but know as well that this is not my first (nor is logged editing my primary) gig at your encyclopedia. Cheers. Le Prof  Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. Despite your disdain, I will like you for being a physicist, and a barber shop singer. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Disdain? Hardly. Rather I presumed an editor of your experience would understand the acronyms and so adjusted for my estimated audience. After this exchange, I'll consider raising the threshold, but I'll probably continue to use the acronyms. Cheers!