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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017
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Pseudonymous author personas
Re ; please can you give examples of how best practice for how this is handed currently, using other citation templates? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the present CS1 templates avoid the issue, as they simply use a literal string parameter for the author name. Whatever parameter is provided is rendered as furnished. When using Cite Q there ought to be a way to distinguish an identity or persona from a person. The Mark Twain listing at VIAF for Q7245 shows dozens of "preferred" and "alternate" name forms. A few explicitly show "pseud." but most do not. The equivalent ISNI entry is clearer, where in the "related identities" each identity shows properties of the relation, e.g.: "Clemens, Samuel Langhorn (other identity, same person)" but "Conte, Louis de (Pseud.; other identity, same person)" Of course it is always possible that a pseudonym is not recognized as such, but thought to be a true identity. A similar issue arises with real names which change over an author's lifetime, such as Monty, or indeed a great many noble, military or clerical writers who use some form of personal title. One approach is to only use the first "preferred" authority. Another is to use the name as shown on the publication. A third combines these to show some variation on "NameAsPublished (a.k.a. PreferredName)". Eventually, WikiData should be able to furnish the necessary information to populate these.LeadSongDog come howl!  22:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Notwithstanding that Cite Q is a wrapper for "present CS1 templates"; I think this is already dealt with. If there's an item for the pseudonymous identity, that can be used as the author value (P50) on Wikidata; if not, the "real" identity can be used. In either case, the "author name string" (P2093) takes precedence for display here on Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:34, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'm going blind. I don't see how an editor citing Q16155864 "A Double-Barreled Detective Story" would control the way Q7245 is presented, choosing between the true name "Samuel Langhorne Clemens", the declared pseudonym "Mark Twain (pseud.)", or the undeclared pseudonym "Mark Twain" as shown on the title page. It of course doesn't help that Q7245 incorrectly shows Mark Twain as a human, rather than a pen name for the human Samuel Langhorne Clemens even though the reference url given has it right. LeadSongDog come howl!  20:53, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is why I asked for an example. At present, citing Q16155864 using Cite Q would result in a displayed author name of "Mark Twain" - the label from the Wikidata item for the author - which, as you say, is what is on the title page. If that item had a different, unwanted, label, then that could be overridden by applying P2093 to the item about the work. The type applied to Q7245 is irrelevant to the issue at hand, but I note that our own article classes "Mark Twain" as a person. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Argh, my head hurts... Thanks for trying to clarify. LeadSongDog come howl!  15:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Raised the specific issue at d:Talk:Q7245, the more general one remains.LeadSongDog come howl!  18:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)