User talk:Leahtwosaints/Archive 8

Re: Can you assist
Hey, I've been working on the Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam article for some time, though User: Tvoz is the lead editor on the article. I've had next to no chances to get any clear photo of the young face of Cat Stevens, and the two photos that we have there showing the young man and the older man, I got from the only people in Flickr that had anything that remotely had his face, with the exception of some copied publicity shots that people just were showing but were not theirs. Because of another reason-- I was asked by Tvoz to contact Cat Stevens' publicist and in addition, ask him about getting some non copyrighted photos. He mailed two to me, with the captions to be used, but I don't know anything about that ORTIS stuff and don't want to get involved with all that at Commons. I can barely upload stuff from Flickr. Do you have any possible solutions? Would you be willing to handle it, or do you know someone who can? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am overwhelmed by stuff to do. See OTRS. You can forward the email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and they will follow through on it, and tell you what to do. I did it once a long time ago for some images I got permission for by email. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's too bad. See the post just above this one. My photo and work with Commons days are utterly over. Despite some great coaching from another person, I can't even figure out why the Bryan tool won't work anymore, so I'm lost, and just was reaching beyond my limitations. Oh well. I guess the black and white shot of Stevens' body will have to do. Thanks anyway. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand. Maybe you will come back later to the Commons. Maybe not. I have gotten little cooperation at the Flickr upload talk page about some of my suggestions. Maybe they did not believe the problems were serious. See the talk archives there.


 * OTRS people, on the other hand, were very helpful and fast when I forwarded permission info to them.


 * Maybe, if you want to, you can copy some of your comments and specific problems to commons:MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext/fromflickr. Maybe they need to hear about the specific problems and how serious they are.


 * The Byran upload tool creator is no longer fully keeping an eye on problems with the tool. Only the regular Flickr upload page works consistently. User talk:Bryan:

I am no longer part of the active Commons community and do not intend to become so in the foreseeable future. I won't check this page regularly, so in case you need me, send an mail. -- Bryan ( talk to me ) 21:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * --Timeshifter (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the effort. Perhaps Bryan would have some insight into what I am doing wrong, and how to find a photo that for some reason I uploaded, is in Commons, and I just can't find! It's insane. I can even click the gizmo to tell me how many times the image for Jeff Sipe who I uploaded days ago has been used, and it says, zero. So it's there, or it would say there is no image with that name. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I had a similar problem. I gave up on using the Bryan tool. I copied some of this discussion to commons:MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext/fromflickr. I approach Wikipedia editing via a cost-benefit approach. I avoid problem areas, and problem admins, and I get a lot more done. I point out problems to the appropriate pages, and if they choose to ignore me, then at least I tried. :) --Timeshifter (talk) 05:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but when the Bryan tool worked, I was feeling like I'd finally found a part-time niche on Wikipedia. It's like losing your job, or something; even if you're just a fast-food cook. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 06:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't check mail...
...my yahoo! isnt opening! Btw i did leave a reply on MY talk page. You dont have it on your watchlist? And I noticed you graded "the lightning strike", can you grade these articles as well? i'm guessing they'd be B as well: Take Back the City, Crack the Shutters, If There's a Rocket Tie Me to It and The Planets Bend Between Us. And can I know what is the criteria to grade articles? How do you decide what is what? I mean, what is the difference between A, B, and C grades? Suede67 (talk) 06:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Another request, if you will. I could use this pic. It'd be awesome if you could get permission for it. The pic, would be used here, if you get permission. Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 07:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn. I just wrote you this long explanation of how to grade articles and we had an "article conflict" so all that I wrote is gone. I'll have to repeat it, and I'll do these things for you when I wake up cause it is 3:30 AM here, and I've been short on sleep for 4 days. But sure I'll repeat the grading thing for you, grade your stuff and get you photos, no problem. Goodnight for now :) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:27, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Happened to read this discussion, and so let me interrupt it to point out that one can get out of "article conflict" and "edit conflict" by hitting the back button. Happens to me from time to time on talk pages. The previous page will have your comment in the old edit window, and it can be selected and copied to Notepad or elsewhere for quick storage. Or you can leave it in your clipboard. Then go back to the discussion page, and refresh/reload it. Edit some more. Paste in the clipboard or Notepad info, and edit it too. --Timeshifter (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Timeshifter is right. There's another way. When it errors "article conflict" if you scroll all the way down, there's another box, in which YOUR changes are there. You can simply copy what YOU just typed and paste it in the first box, with is the currect stored version. Anyway, waiting your you to get up! Suede67 (talk) 12:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

TUSC
Here is the new TUSC token: 2aef162858c7a7aa4ccbeb431b3ad5fd Here is hoping I can upload this photo without help.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:800px-BOCSantaCruzlive.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:800px-BOCSantaCruzlive.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 20:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Advice?
I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what is that you are asking me. I am not aware of any problems with Flickr, I was using it to search for free images just last night. What exactly is the problem with Flickr? What is it you don't understand about Commons? I'd be more than happy to help, but I'm not really following what it is you are asking. J Milburn (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Flickr to Commons upload isn't running now. It's creator no longer is working with Commons, either. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can still do it manually. Download it to your computer, and the image can then be uploaded using the Flickr upload page here. More information can be found on this page. J Milburn (talk) 21:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Grading
"Would it be OK for me to copyedit your song pages first, or suggest the changes (having me do it and then grade each would be quicker) and then place what class they are in?" - Sure!!! If you can spare the time, I certainly wouldn't mind you doing the required edits. Its not as if anyone owns the article, you dont have to ask!

"about how you say things like, "It was released on November 10, 11, 12, and 13, depending on the region." (Yes not quoting you, just giving gist of what they say in the beginning as an example here.) I think it would be best to reword sentences like that. Maybe say "It was released on five separate dates, from November 10 - November 13, depending upon the area targeted for distribution by ______." (whatever the record label is, I dunno). How do you feel about that? Or the same sentence ending with "depending on the region", or "depending on the area"" - that makes much sense!!! I'll work on that, i'll do that bit, i'll make a small release history box in each article, and let you know when the article's ready. Then you can do a quick copy edit and grade them. Done? Suede67 (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm done with the release histories for the single articles. Here is what needs to be graded: Signal Fire, Take Back the City, Crack the Shutters, If There's a Rocket Tie Me to It and The Planets Bend Between Us. Signal Fire I just added, I was working on it for the past couple of days. The sonf info part is too small comparatively, but i couldnt find any info really. Anyway, you'll still need to make the edits (Ocotber 1, 2, 3, 4...ones). Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Need your guidance
I'm more than happy to help you out here. File:800px-BOCSantaCruzlive.jpg is resolved- I don't speak German either (by the way, I have an account on Commons under the same name, so you can contact me there too) but after checking the page there, I've realised it's a legitimately released image, and so fine to use here.

Regarding your first question, Commons uploads from Flickr are quite easy- just download the largest version of the file to your computer, then go to this page, and fill it in. Honestly, if you struggle with that, just leave links to the image on my user talk page on Commons, and I'll do it for you, or leave me specific questions and I'll help you out. This page may also be of use.

Regarding the second issue, I'm afraid we can't accept images that are permitted only for Wikipedia. I recommend you reply to the publicist, and ask for permission to release the images under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 license. If they say yes, then the images can be used, but there are some steps you'll need to follow. Upload the images as normal using the cc-by-sa-3.0 tag, but also add the tag OTRS pending to the images, so that they are not nominated for deletion. Then, forward your email, along with a note with a link to where the images have been uploaded, to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org (if you have uploaded them at Commons) or permissions-en@wikimedia.org (if you have uploaded them to the English Wikipedia). This means that the evidence of the permission can be stored on the Wikimedia servers. If you like, you can contact me (I have OTRS access) and I can sort the issue for you there and then. If not, an OTRS volunteer will get to the email after a few days, and ensure that the license is correctly verified.

If there's anything else with which I can help you, you can contact me on my talk page here or at Commons. J Milburn (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I felt the image from Germany was acceptable, but also worried only under German law, when that popped up on Commons, and not reading German, either, I wasn't sure which blank had the photographer's name in it, or what the source was before de.wikipedia. I'm a slooow learner, but when I do catch on, I can work hard. I very much appreciate your offer of help, since besides barely comprehending this computer stuff, I've been leaning way too hard on a very kind Admin. here. Things he shouldn't have to do, (not to mention calmly listening to me start raving like a lunatic once things don't work for me)! Again, thanks!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Didn't do it yet.
You're right! The reason I created a "release history" section was because there are multiple dates, and as you said, its weird to write all dates in the lead, that made much sense. So when you do a final copy edit, you can change that. If there are any more changes you think should be made, let me know. Thanks. And btw, its not creative on my part! I just took the idea from here Circus_(Britney_Spears_album), but yeah, I did add the flags and "formats" column :) Suede67 (talk) 05:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I just worry that there might be more information about the individuals in the band that I should know first. Example: I didn't check yet. But don't the SP for short write their own music? With Lightbody as lyricist and the group in general composing together? You might want to mention it from the start, if you have references to back it up, for example. Hey, one last thing-- if you ever want to learn by observing work done by others, a fabulous work group put together the Pink Floyd band page and other ones, but here's the discography-- you have just got to check it out!!: Just amazing, really! Much of the Pink Floyd songs, albums, pages of any kind got such a good amount of attention by so many. I'd love to see that with Cat Stevens but too many people have POV issues with his religion, and as for many other musicians I like, they were either session musicians, or had long long careers Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, or, they shun publicity and fan magazines like Derek Trucks managed to do. OH BTW, my photographer friend who is Derek's father's best friend is gonna get a band photo for The Derek Trucks Band!! Whew! About time. It will help me to sort out what little I can find of the individuals in it for other pages, including Derek himself..--Leahtwosaints (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, SP write their own music. Vocalist Lightbody writes all lyrics, and the group composes together. I'll write this, allright, refs arent a problem for this.

The Pink Floyd article is superb, i'll take cues from it, may be helpful in the future. thanks. "my photographer friend who is Derek's father's best friend is gonna get a band photo for The Derek Trucks Band" - Nice!!! Suede67 (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Another German wikipedia image for Commons
That image is clearly a copyvio- it even says it was taken for a music magazine. I'm going to look into deletion tags on the German Wikipedia and hopefully get it deleted. Sorry- if you had uploaded it to the English Wikipedia or Commons, it would probably have ended up deleted. J Milburn (talk) 10:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good thing I trusted my instincts on this one, and asked first! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice!
I like your edits, please continue! I might make a minor copy-edit here or there though. Suede67 (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? I found a couple of redundancies, and was wondering about how to fix them. Like:


 * 1) In the introduction, you had Lightbody saying his song was better because it wasn't focused on himself, but rather other things. But later, you made the same comment. Perhaps you should rotate between the song pages, just to clear your head? Cause some edit mistakes were teensy ones.
 * 2) I did a LOT of rewording, and felt bad about that. I expected you to just revert my comments --which is absolutely fine and expected, and then, insert anything of value I added. I think too, a thesaurus might come in handy.
 * 3) I don't know enough about Lightbody but my intent was to say, "he normally writes from an introspective viewpoint, rather than a.. (and the word just wouldn't come. External view? Something like that.)
 * 4) Finally, I am just nervous in changing so much of what you've written b/c you know the subject matter so much more, AND because you are at least my peer in this. You make me feel good telling me my writing skills are better, though I think it's just that I'm not as quick as you! :))--Leahtwosaints (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * haha, thats the reason i said i'd make a few copy-edits, because you dont know as much about them! ishould read the pages again, as you sadi, redundancies. Suede67 (talk) 21:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, you give them a look over for the obvious, and I'll try to copyedit each one a day. You haven't been keeping any of these in a sandbox, have you? That's how we did it before your FA review. That way, I won't move everything around, and it's easier for you to fix stuff. Oh, one more thing- I think possibly you're spending too much time on each movement of the band in the video at least, on the one I just did. You don't need to account for everything. They're stinkin' videos! Used for promotion often against the will of the bands- I love U2 but GOD, their record label had them in some ridiculous videos that meant next to nothing. It's pure commercialism. So, I wouldn't put a LOT of emphasis on it, unless the video has some good refs. Oh, you asked about the one time I began to do a record's song page on my own when I was new. The song was, "You Were Mine". There was another, more experienced editor there, kind of elbowing me out making me feel inadequate so I stopped, but you can take a peek if you want. It's probably still a stub. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, take your time. bout music videos, its actually ALLOWED to write descriptions of them, and I have confirmed this from experienced editors. They said the video itself is the source, so yes. I saw the "you were mine" page, it does need work, but good amount of info is there. aI checked the history, the user who (proabably) didnt make you feel welcome himself hasnt been there after you stopped editing, just once. Suede67 (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If There's a Rocket...
...I think i've addressed your points, but i think we have a clash of opinions to some extent. Let me know what you think now. I've added my views on the talk page, so check it out. Suede67 (talk) 20:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Nils Logfren
I'm not sure what you meant I do, but I did something. Check it, and let me know if it's done(?) Suede67 (talk) 10:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks- that was cool, too. What I meant was that there's too much space in the area above him in the second photo that you repositioned. I was wondering if you could trim the top off the photo and put it back. {Shrug} It really doesn't matter too much. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 12:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh i get it now/ But since its a commons image, you cant upload a new version of a pic, like in others, so i'll mail it to you, and you take it from there. I dont know how to upload on commons. Check your mail. Suede67 (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No-- you Can do it in Commons. Wow, I know something you didn't! Don't mail it to me, that's more aggravating than anything else at this point. I can ask Spinningspark later when he's gotten over my tantrums and recuperated from me freaking out that the Flickr to Commons upload tool no longer works! :) I'll give him a month in a sanitarium first! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! I have no knowledge of commons at all, i mailed you the pic long before, sorry! You can give it to spinningspark later, sorry i can only do this much. Suede67 (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Hello a favor?
If they change the license on Flickr to one compatible with Wikimedia Commons (not a non-commercial or no derivatives one) then I would be happy to upload the images for you. If there is email permission, that can also work- contact me and I'll run you through the procedure. J Milburn (talk) 13:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. I could Kiss You! I just got three photos from a photographer, who speaks French (I think--no I hope!) in Flickr, because I'm just now trying now to use the Google translator to help me urge him to use the (French version) of explanations of Creative Commons available there on Flickr. He emailed them to me, and just said he wants attribution, and that he's got a lot more photos he'd be happy to share. I really want these photos of his. What should I do?--Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Other stuff...
"I'll review the other articles, copyedit a little, but I won't get all wrapped up in it. It's your baby after all, and I am not really qualified to make a lot of judgement calls not knowing Snow Patrol as you do." - Not a problem, take your time. I'm myself feeling quite run down after all the work I put in. When you do review them, just leave criticism on the talk page, so i can address it when i decide to work on that particular article. I'm feeling really lazy lately :)

"Any ideas on how to list musicians that session players have supported??" - I suggest a table. We could make 2-3 columns, so it wouldnt looks as messy. here's an example:

"Do you think it'll take another page to do justice to their discographies?" - You could, but I'm not sure. The sessions guys did not release the albums themselves, they merely played an instrument on them. Essentially, its not THEIR album. You should ask this to someone with more knowledge. Because I'm confused. But yes, if it is allowed, you could have a separate discography page, because I'm quite sure the list would be quite long.

"Would you look at David Lindley and Waddy Wachtel, any thoughts?" - The Wandy Watchtel article is nice, good content. I dont think it'd need much work. And the Lindley article is quite short, the discography section seems to be hogging all the space.
 * Well, Waddy Wachtel is still a Start article in my opinion.
 * David Lindley is some monstrous article that I don't want to take on-- but check out his website in the infobox and see the cool huge numbers of strange looking instruments he has! All photographed, numbered, and labeled!

"Other more notable musicians, like Jackson Browne for example or.. I really should return to the Dixie Chicks and finish where I was run off." - You SHOULD! I think you want to do too much things at once, which isnt possible! Take one article at a time, you wont be as exhausted. Finish the Dixie song article first, do it slowly but steadily. Suede67 (talk) 14:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah- I think I'm going to pick two articles (I know!) I can't help myself! And of course, keep my eye on the other favorites. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahah! Yeah, keep the others on your watch, but work only on a few, or two articles at once.Suede67 (talk) 06:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I figured out how to manually follow directions.
There! I said it! Yeah, I followed Spinningspark's, Mudwater's, Suede's advice, and step by step on Spinningspark's list, I've now uploaded four photos, and I can not believe how simple it was. And I had a whole tantrum planned (in my head, anyway), too! Please, don't say, "I told you so!" I know, I know... :)) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 06:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Commons
You said we can edit commons' files. See this: Do you mean clicking "Edit this file using an external application"? I tried, nothing happened. What I normally do on normal wiki images is this: See this file: I click on "upload a new version". That is easy. That option isnt available in commons. But still, I'll mail you any images you need to get trimmed etc. I dont really want to try learn commons now, too much to handle. But you know, so why cant you upload the trimmed pic yourself?

About 'Rocket', yep, final edit. Grade it as you please. Next, I'd like The Planets Bend Between Us. Lets start from the end. Oh, and could you quick grade this? I just worked on it few days ago. About time.

pic 1: Sure! If you'd get permission, lets change the band pic. It'll go on the main article page, and also here and here.

pic 2: I'd be might thankful if you would get this! Tell her it would go here: Eyes_Open_Tour. Somewhere in that section.

pic 3: This poster would be placed here and here. Thanks!!!!!!!! Suede67 (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I'd kiss you if I could, thanks!!!! I'll add the photos and will take care in adding her name. Though I have noticed a user tries to remove them, he may show up again. What should I do, in such a case? Suede67 (talk) 17:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * YUP, been waiting for that kiss! Here: SMOOCH!  Hahaaahaaa...  Now about users who want to remove attribution, perhaps if you leave a comment there (using "hidden text"- <---this type but hidden--->), if you're unfamiliar with how that is done, look in the infobox for Elvis Presley, where it tells people not to change the spelling of a name)-- Just have the invisible notice to editors say that the photographer was promised attribution on the article, with her name.
 * I'm aware with commenting, but I decided to leave a message on the user's talk myself. You must have seen my other "Houston" message by now, what to do?Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit: I added her photos, see: Eyes Open Tour. Will do?
 * Yes; it looks good. I began to leave little edits for you to fix there, and left some in Tie me to a Rocket, and did a little rewording, so look for it. Also, two things that keep popping up, first, anytime you put a date in an article, always include the year, too! I kept putting "when?" in them but do it, to follow guidelines here, and the other, I think to put SP.com in the article is lazy. I think it's best to say on the band's official webiste, Snow Patrol sent a billion kids to Disneyworld", [or whatever] rather than, "on Sp.com it was said that.."? Do you see what I mean?
 * I'll get to these fixes as I can. I'm lazy. And I'll remember to specify the year always, and wont use SP.com haha!Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I got permission from one of my SP forum friends for a photo, and I got it. The Lightning Strike. The thing is, I tried uploading to Commons noting the steps you recently posted on your user page, and they work up to step 6. It will not upload image by itself, I always get a "internal error" message. And I tried 2 images. See this. Both images were from people I KNOW. If you'd help me figure out how to automatically upload images after the blank commons page has been created, it'd be awesome. I'm hoping to figure this out, so I might get to help you too in the future in any uploading help you might need to permitted images. Suede67 (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll help. And anything that you want to upload to Commons that is not uploaded to Wikipedia, the directions above here in my talk page from Spinningspark really are ideal.
 * I'll take a look.Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit #2: I'd like to transfer to Commons, can you do it? I tried but couldnt figure it out. Suede67 (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I had the same request for another image or two. Try J Milburn (talk) and I think it can be done. User: Mudwater may also be helpful, too.
 * Same thing as before right? If Spark's directions work, that'll be good.Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit #3: SHAMELESS REQUEST: Another pic, from the same person Ellen: this one You can tell her it will be used somewhere here Final Straw Tour and of course, her name will be credited. Suede67 (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am about to ask her now. Also, will tell her of the pages where everything went. I was so happy to surprise you with those images after all you've done to help me. I see myself more as the lady with the scrub brush here, rather than the research person. ;)) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, this is tougher job, persuading people. Now there's a bigger problem! Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Houston, We've had a problem...
The user I told you about, who will remove the photographer's credit left me a message to day. See this: Captions This is bad news. I wasnt aware of this either. He wont budge. I'll have to remove the credit from the article page. You will have to contact Ellen and tell her about this. I'm not sure she'll let us use her pics now, but WTH!!! There are too many rules here! Please contact ASAP, while I go on check this with me friend who gave me permission for her photos. Suede67 (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I wrote her the whole jist of the problem. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Where've you been?
Havent seen you in a week I think?
 * My computer's down. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 12:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Did you see my earlier message about photo captions? User talk:Leahtwosaints Suede67 (talk) 12:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

thought you might be interested ...
hello Leahtwosaints - i hope your computer recovers smoothly and swiftly from whatever ails it. i thought this article from Performing Songwriter might groove you, and/or possibly serve as a source for the Mick Taylor article (and/or for an article about Carla Olson, who deserves one!). i know the site that scan is posted on doesn't qualify as a reliable source, but the magazine itself does, so ... so i hope you enjoy it! and swing on Sssoul (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC) ps: i asked the person who posted the article for the page numbers, in case you ever wanted to cite it as a source: pages 66 - 68. swing on! Sssoul (talk) 17:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The computer tech who should work on my computer is gone for another couple of days on vacation. It's driving me crazy, and could get me killed to be using this computer here! (Really.) But I'll head to the library today, and see what I can do. :)--Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the photo, but you still did not see my earlier message! We arent allowed to put cpations crediting the photographer, and you need to ask Ellen if its fine. Only then i will use the photograph. Thanks so much though Suede67 (talk) 17:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me know when she responds back...
...only then i'll use the pic. Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 14:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * She did yesterday, see below :)--Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Weird!!!
This pic just disappeared! What happened? Eyes Open Tour Suede67 (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the newest photo from Ellen? If so, it might have been deleted in Wikimedia Commons, (I feared it might, as the artwork on the ticket was not hers, even if the photography was hers.) Anyway, I mentioned the attribution issue, and she said,
 * "Hi Leah, It's not a problem for me. The other editor is probably right about people knowing about the source of the photos. You are still allowed to use my photo and the two tickets, as long as the credit (name and link to my flickr page) will stay at the source page of the photo. That is fine with me. I have one question, could you please put both my first and last name in the author field? I know that's not what I asked before, but I have thought about it some more and do prefer to have my full name there. So instead of "Ellen from Rotterdam, The Netherlands", could you change that into "Ellen van Bodegom from Rotterdam, The Netherlands"? I hope that is ok for you. Ellen
 * In the cases of all images, if my hunch is right, they just need to be re-uploaded to Wikipedia, not Commons, the same way you do with album covers.. just a different description, and, they are a 2.0 Attribution upload if it asks-- meaning following guidelines of Creative Commons with attribution. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! So you will take care of it? You uploaded them, so you must have got some sort of warning messages. I will put the ticket though, thanks again! And Ellen as well! Did your computer problem sort out? Suede67 (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I'm still sneaking- could lose my rights to live here for using this computer- so just checking. You know where all the images are to download and upload to Wikipedia, the way you do albums, right? I just didn't want to leave you or Ellen hanging. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I dont, or I dont understand what you mean. The image link shows no image, that's all I know [[File:Eyes Open.jpg]]. Suede67 (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

EDIT!!! Uh ohm, I think I know why it was deleted. Someone nominated it for deletion as well!!! Please join the discussion and voice your opinion, I dont know about this so I'm not joining this, dont want to sound foolish Suede67 (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I supported Commons' deletion of the photo of the ticket, b/c it is a copy of another's artwork, and thus a violation of calling it her work. However, I do support you using it in Wikipedia, as someone else's work, and saying, the ticket was "Provided by Ellen van Bodegom". Just as you might say, an album cover is the probable owned copyright of a record label, but the scan of it to use in Wikipedia was provided by--whoever. That should work. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick note from a Total Stranger
Hey hey, I was checking Mudwater's talk page for his reply and came across your question about thanking Spinningsparks, and I just wanted to add to his response- there are barnstars of many varieties that can be given as well. The list itself is fun to check out, even if you don't find a suitable one. Happy editing! from a Total Stranger :) Marcia Wright (talk) 04:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not here-- my computer is down
To all here this may concern; Leahtwosaints is temporarily not working in Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, Flickr or elsewhere. In Real World Time, her computer is having a (hopefully minor) problem in connecting to the internet, and thus, I am out of action for perhaps throughout August. I am sorry for any inconvenience this causes anyone here.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It was the wrong ticket!
That ticket is still up for deletion, its the same one I told you about, and you commented. The Eyes Open Tour ticket was different, it was this one here remember? The one you put in just now was from the Final Straw Tour, and i havent yet put it in the article because its nominated for deletion. See this:. Can you add some things more? No one has replied yet, and because no consensus has reached they'd probably delete it! Suede67 (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I remember, I thought deliberation would be over by now. And, I see that Ellen herself also uploaded it. Anyway, that is where I'd put the image. So now I wonder, why haven't you just uploaded it to Wikipedia like you did with the poster on the page, and other article's album covers?? That is certainly preferable to nothing at all.. why wait on commons when you can admit it may be copyrighted, but is still something nobody will make money from. Whups gotta go. Sorry.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, i'll try to, but i've always seen flickr images uploaded on commons first. The posters I added were from general sites, and they're under a fair use claim license, I did not ASK anyone if I could use them. I'll upload Ellens ticket myself on Commons and see what happens. Suede67 (talk) 14:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * S! I'm surprised at you. It is so simple if I had the time, I'd easily upload it! It doesn't matter WHERE the image or photo comes from, that isn't the point. I ask for photos in Flickr because there are a lot there that amateurs have taken, and don't mind having showcased here, plus some photography professionals who post there like the exposure here in Wikipedia; it has led to them getting new clientele, when the attribution is listed under their photos. The ticket, hell, I'd do it, but even downloading anything to this computer (which isn't mine) could be noticed that I was here using this without permission (yeah!) or I'd do it. Just do it with the rationale that nobody can use that photo of a ticket of a concert no longer having worth that people can use commercially, in a size that wouldn't be accepted anywhere as legal tender, (meaning --it wouldn't get anybody in the door) to any concert even if there was a reusable ticket. It's why there are so many choices when you go to upload any photo on Wikipedia, and why they ask where it was from. Just give it a try; if it doesn't work, I'll do it when my computer is fixed, hopefully later this week. I promise to teach you about the photos, in exchange for learning how to do clips of music on Wikipedia. I just hope all the great photographers who were waiting for my instructions on how to change their options on Flickr so I could upload their photos are still willing to do it!
 * I'm sorry, you're right, I should have tried. I just feel tired. I will try now. Suede67 (talk) 18:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's OK, my brother, sometimes we all get burned out, overloading the work we do. If you want to put it off, it's OK. I'll see if I can do it; my only reason for pressing you on this matter was because another person, Ellen, was involved. Anytime I ask a non-Wikipedian for favors, like allowing us to use their images on Wikipedia, I try to show them that it was sincere, that we would appreciate them for helping us-- and so I try to do that quickly, so they see the results of their good faith in us. But you have every right to be tired and take off some time, after that last FA-ranked article that you did practically single handedly, along with many others as well!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thnks for your understanding, in fact I did upload it after you "persetered" :)) Its so far without problems! here Is it all right, or something is missing, all license etc i mean. Suede67 (talk) 16:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)