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Draft:Nikolay Antipov
The draft was declined in Special:Diff/817167007/823142817 on January 30, using with the standard comment "Please add inline citations for this article. We need to make sure the facts about living people are accurate." Nikolay Antipov died July 29, 1938. Sam Sailor 17:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * - Wow. My mistake. Not really sure how I misunderstood that. I'd argue we would still want some inline citations, but I'm aware it isn't manditory. Not sure regarding WP:GNG, as the sources are Russian, and I'm not sure how reliable they are.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No biggie. (If it's of consolation, I can say I see old hands (including some admins) who will tag bios of dead people and blps containing, say, an IMDb link in § /External lins/ with Prod blp, despite the placement criteria in WP:BLPPROD being quite clear.)Inline citations are always nice, but WP:MINREF are limited to four scenarios, and WP:AFCSTANDARDS repeats them when it says: 1. Avoid declining an article because it correctly uses general references to support some or all of the material. The content and sourcing policies require inline citations for only four specific types of material, most commonly direct quotations and contentious material (whether negative, positive, or neutral) about living persons.Notability should not be a problem in this case: in fact Antipov is the redlinked Deputy Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. The article is a machine translation of ru:Антипов, Николай Кириллович, so a rewrite of the draft before publishing is essential. I don't have a lot of historical knowledge about the era or about USSR, and I don't speak Russian, and in such cases time is better spend by passing the task onto editors who are better qualified, and I have posted at WT:USSR (permalink) and WT:RUSSIA (permalink). Sam Sailor 04:38, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Compact cites
Any chance I could get you convert to using this cite format: ? They're much easier to read and edit when the entire parameter code and value are grouped (other than a space after url helps with line-wrapping issues when a URL is long). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:57, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I generally use web cite, for speed. Is there any way to alter the string that is displayed from this service?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:06, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no idea! Guess I should look.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, well that seems to be a website that works a bit like web.archive.org; is there some WebCite-connecting tool you're using to generate citation code?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I went through their web-based archival submission, and in the end I got something like this as the citation data:   For URL's they provided: http://www.webcitation.org/71M3L9tpX and the long-form version http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Fthe-ghost-of-john-perry-barlow-lives-in-his-posthumous-memoir%2F&date=2018-08-01.  But this doesn't seem to have much to do with our citation template spacing. Maybe there's some widget that auto-generate such matter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:27, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've also been using WebRef for these types of citations. I'm not sure if this is even editable in terms of layout.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Lee, try instaling User:Sam Sailor/Scripts/Tidy citations.js. Four options for citation template spacing are available: Some body text here. Some body text here. Some body text here. Some body text here. For consistent date formats we have User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates. It can even do Body+pub dates to either dmy or mdy, and set archive-date and access-date to big-endian YYYY-MM-DD, something some editors seem to prefer in 's recent proposal. I must say as he, I regularly set all dates both in the body and in citations to either dmy or mdy, and I have never heard people complaining. Sam Sailor 07:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Tidy:
 * Crammed:
 * Roomy:
 * Vertically:
 * Thanks ! I'll take a look at your first tool. I already regularly use the MOSNUM script, it's really good. Personally, I agree that the dates should be consistent.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added the script, but other than leaving an edit summary, it does not change any citations.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Wish I'd known about this earlier! I'm already working on a tweaked version (I don't need the "crammed" or "roomy" variants, and I want it to also do some other stuff: use the hyphenated canonical forms of access-date, etc.; insert a space after  despite otherwise removing spaces (helps with line wrapping); convert year to date (I think there's some test that needs to be done – there's a rare circumstance in which year is actually preferred); detect and warn (in auto-editsummary) about author; convert vauthors to valid metadata (separate first last plus the formatting parameter for Vancouver cites); remove empty df and other empty params that aren't likely to be filled quote, etc.); detect and warn about ".com" and other common TLDs in publisher, almost always a confusion of that parameter with work. I haven't actually tried anything yet other than removing the crammed and roomy versions yet. My JS is rusty, and I got other stuff to do today. PS: Is it using   instad of   for null comparisons for a reason?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it. Come to think about it, I normally use either "tidy" or "tidy vertically", I doubt I have used "roomy" much and I doubt I have used "crammed" at all. JS is on my list of things to learn before I die; I did not code any part of this, and I can't answer your question.   @Lee: Script works fine here (ex., ex.), are you running wikEd or something else that takes over the text edit box? Sam Sailor 08:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

- - Certainly not WikiEd. MOSNUM script works perfectly well, but the tidy cite script simply leaves an edit summary, and does no changes to the text.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That is the symptom, if wikEd is on. Same thing happens if Syntax highlighting. Could that be the case? Sam Sailor 15:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've checked my gadgets, and I don't have either. I'm not sure if there is something blocking it from my common java.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think syntax highlighter is a gadget we need to turn on (I could be wrong), for me it is available on the highlighter marker button Codemirror-icon.png in the advanced menu when in edit mode. Did you check that? Sam Sailor 15:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You have Tidy installed twice, is that the culprit? Sam Sailor 15:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sadly not, I had it only installed once, but I tried bringing it in also via the Script installer, to see if that was the issue. It showed on the left the options twice, but the citations were not tidied. I have removed one instance.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:59, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - Success. It was the Syntax Highlighter. I didn't even know that was what that button did. Thanks a bunch.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good to hear – micro-successes count! Sam Sailor 16:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I use the syntax highlighter (and like it). If using it via Gadget is a bad thing, I'd be amenable to some other way of using it. However, the one turned on by the Codemirror-icon.png button is a completely different (and less effective) syntax highlighter than the gadget one. I could live with it I guess.  Since you know more about the script interaction effects of it, maybe see if the behavior is different depending on which highlighter is on?  I'm not sure what symptoms with which citation-related script you're seeing bad interactions with the highlighter (either of them).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:12, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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Wavell Starr
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Template:World championships in year
Thanks a lot for the help. It looks like you don't need more documentation but just ask if you have questions. I can also contribute championship data later but now we would just get edit conflicts. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'll try and as much as I can over the next couple days anyway.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:40, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - I've done A-R on Summer Sports, will do some more tomorrow.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC) -

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Retro Gamer query
Imgur appears to be down, so have an ImgBB link:. Cheers. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 14:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - You sir, are quite the man.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)