User talk:Leex2369

Nomination of Coping with a Public Menace: Eugenic Sterilization in Minnesota for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Coping with a Public Menace: Eugenic Sterilization in Minnesota is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coping with a Public Menace: Eugenic Sterilization in Minnesota until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Crow  Caw 21:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Notability and articles
Hey, I thought I'd explain why the page was nominated for deletion. The issue was that the article did not have anything to show how this particular paper was notable. I saw where you tried to add sources, but unfortunately none of them could be used to show notability. The profiles for the author and the paper itself are both seen as WP:PRIMARY sources, meaning that they can be used to back up small details but cannot show notability per Wikipedia's guidelines. You also linked to an article about the author speaking somewhere, but the issue here is that the article isn't about the paper itself. She's speaking on the general topic of the Minnesota eugenics program and the article's focus is not on the paper but on the speech and the author. Those sort of sources could show notability for the author, but not for the paper itself. This is kind of where Wikipedia differs from writing papers for class, as this sort of thing could be used to source a paper about Ladd-Taylor's paper, but it cannot be used on Wikipedia. You might be able to use it to back up small details (although using it to write large swaths can be seen as [[WP:OR|original research, which is fine in a paper but not in a Wikipedia article), but the biggie here is that you have to show how the paper is notable.

I also have to point out that you were adding large portions about eugenics as a whole, which is another way that Wikipedia differs from a school paper. In a school paper this is expected and recommended, but on Wikipedia the expectation is that the article will be only about the topic (Ladd-Taylor's paper) and that if anyone needs or wants to have a more in-depth explanation about eugenics as a whole, they will go to the eugenics article. In other words, while you do have to write in layman's terms, the average article expects that the reader will have knowledge about mentioned topics in the article and if not, they will click on the appropriate article for that topic. The same kind of has to be said about a section for the author: it is generally heavily frowned upon to have an "about the author" section in an article because the article is expected to be predominantly about the paper and most author sections tend to try to cover the breadth of the author's work, which can be seen as straying too far from the topic. It also doesn't help that many of these author sections can also unintentionally come across as promotional in tone to some editors.

I'm not finding a whole lot for this paper so you may want to either write an article about the author herself and include a small section about the article or to write an article about the Minnesota eugenics program. However since you are a new user I would like to recommend that you go and ask for help from WikiProject Genetics, a WikiProject that is entirely devoted to genetics. They can help you with tone, writing the article in general, and with finding appropriate sources that would pass WP:RS. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   06:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Removing AfD template
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Some more advice and encouragement
Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't worry about the notice just above - when you blanked the page, which I have taken as a request for deletion, that removed the "Articles for deletion" template (the box at the top), and that was detected by Cyberbot, one of the many "bots" or automatic systems that help to run WIkipedia.

Also, don't be discouraged by this - it was a good start, better than most first tries. There is quite a steep learning curve to Wikipedia, it would be impossible to read all the rules and guidelines in advance, so people have to make mistakes and learn from them. Tokyogirl has given you some good advice above; the suggestions to write about the author or about the Minnesota eugenics program are worth considering.

There is one other difference between a Wikipedia article and a student paper that is worth mentioning, because it often trips up new users: the whole point of a student paper is often to present some existing ideas and then draw a new conclusion from them. That is not allowed in Wikipedia: it is called "synthesis", and part of the important policy WP:No original research is WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."

Here are some other pages that you might find helpful: Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Introduction to Wikipedia
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page and How to develop articles
 * How to create your first article
 * Simplified Manual of Style