User talk:Legacypac/Archive 10

Draft:Supergirl (season 2)
After reading your comments there, I must say I think you haven't read what Robert McClenon wrote. The draft also reads, "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Supergirl (season 2) instead", but Supergirl (season 2) is a redirect at the moment. I am not going to perform a cut-and-paste move, because as per Mr. McClenon's suggestions, I should instead go for a consensus. But achieving that seems as easy as finding Bigfoot. showed his support for the draft entering the mainspace, as did over here. Sadly, and  opposed because, as of 21 September, they felt the draft wasn't comprehensive enough. Even though I have substantially expanded the draft since, they are yet to give their view on the revamped draft. Shall I click resubmit anyway? Because the draft has greatly been expanded since the last submission, and I'm sure the AfC reviewer will have a different opinion this time. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  05:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Legacypac - User:Kailash29792 is right. You confused things by declining the season 2 and season 3 drafts on the grounds that they already exist.  They do not exist except as redirects.  I am sure that you are making a good-faith effort to deal with the list of drafts whose names are the same as those of articles, but I think that you misunderstood the guidelines, and, as a result, I think that you need a trout.  I told the proponents of putting the season 2 list of episodes in mainspace to obtain consensus.  If there had been consensus, I would have shuffled the redirect off to Buffalo and promoted the draft and then tagged the redirect for deletion.  So please be sure that you aren't referring to a redirect as an article.  It makes things even more confused.  Robert McClenon (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I already read and agree with Robert's comments on the draft about seeking consensus. Please reread my comments about the better way to create these pages. If you want to work in Draft to build the page out, that is fine. Just copy over the desired text onto the redirect when you are ready. Seek deletion of the Draft. AfC has no role here. If an AfC reviewer copies the Draft text over the redirect we create an attribution problem. If we try to move the Draft to mainspace we have to seek deletion of the title, wiping out whatever history it has (perhaps history of how it was the source of the combined article, or that there as been previous attempts to split or whatever). If an AfC reviewer requests a redirect be deleted an Admin may well decline the request because the Draft content is already covered in the target. Further if AfC gets the Draft into mainspace we have no way to ensure the other editor does the removal of the material from the parent page - the other part of the split. It is just better if one editor does the split without involving AfC, and yes the topic is covered at the redirect target. Sorry the canned decline can't be changed which is why I tried to explain a better way to do the split. Legacypac (talk) 08:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So cut-and-paste moving is the way to go? Very well, once I click resubmit AfC (which is after I've gained a consensus, at least the approval of Alex and Brojam) and the new AfC reviewer accepts, I'll do such a move, then request for a history merge. Kailash29792 (talk)  08:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * An AfC reviewer "accept" involves moving it to mainspace. You don't need AfC, which is for new editors who can't technically create new pages or are not confident. You are not new and you don't even need to create a new page. Copy what you want to mainspace and do the split in the mother page if you feel you want to and that no one will try to reverse you. Legacypac (talk)
 * User:Legacypac - I am aware that you are campaigning to have AFC abolished. The fact that you don't like AFC and want it brought to an end shouldn't be a reason for giving biased advice to editors who, for the time being, are trying to use AFC.  In this case there is a good reason for using AFC, which is that the split does appear to be contentious.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't want AfC abolished - not sure where that idea comes from. I do favor restricting new accounts from creating any new page by broadening WP:ACREQ. How is AFC going to help if this split is contentious? AFC is not the arbitrator of which articles should or should not be split. Legacypac (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Legacypac - If you don't want new users to be able to use AFC (and I think that allowing them to use AFC is a harmless way for them to do stupid things), then what do you want it used for?  I hope you don't intend it to be primarily for conflict of interest articles and autobiographies, because COI drafts are the other class of stuff that is expected to go through AFC, and that is burdensome to the reviewers, who are being pushed to write a neutral article about a company that doesn't warrant an article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Your comment
Thank you for the comment you left on Big Green draft. How does one write as if "you dont care" about the topic? Is there a hard and fast rule for that? can you please provide some tips? Does placing quotes (of any person involved in the topic) make an article sound TOO PERSONAL? Gmli82164 (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Gmli82164
 * "A combination of playground and outdoor classroom, the learning gardens are spaces where learners discover and get trained on the science of growing fruits and vegetables"--"The program combines elements of the playground with an outdoor classroom, and trains students in growing fruits and vegetables". Ah I don't know, that' not great, but it doesn't have some of the buzzwords. Drmies (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * "One thousand learning gardens set up all over America by the year 2020 is Big Green's biggest dream"--"Big Green aims to have set up one thousand such learning gardens in the US by 2020", but that desire is only worth mentioning if it is deemed worth mentioning by secondary sources. We're an encyclopedia, and desire is hard to verify. Drmies (talk) 21:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

New Editors
On the Internet, no one knows when you are being sarcastic. You and I know that you and I are both being sarcastic about the clueless self-serving editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The difference between the non-notable garage bands and the non-notable autobiographies is that the band articles at least are structured like Wikipedia articles and are in good syntactic and semantic English. The non-notable autobiographies aren't always even in sentences. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Buniayu Cave moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Buniayu Cave, needs to be formatted according to the Manual of Style, in particular the sections on section headings and images. You may also find it useful to consult (read: copy) a few other articles about caves that are correctly formatted, such as Sistema Ox Bel Ha, Jewel Cave National Monument, or Optymistychna Cave. When you feel that the article is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. signed,Rosguill talk 04:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I approved that page from Draft under AfC. MOS is not a requirement for mainspace, it is a nice to have. Moving it back to draft where is was going to be deleted for inactivity is not how the page is going to formatted correctly User:Rosguill Legacypac (talk) 04:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, it's the first article that I've run into that so blatantly didn't even attempt to look like a wikipedia article. signed,Rosguill talk 04:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I suspect the creator is from Indonesia and may not be very familor with building articles. It came up on my watchlist because it was tagged for deletion due to no one working on it for 6 month. It will be fixed in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 04:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Biased & hate
Beside hates what you can do ? You just deleting everyone wikipedia, you just put tag on our page without reason , did you see how many hours we spend to write article ? This has notable links, newspaper , magazine but you have put speedy deletion this is such a shame. SiddiqFarooq (talk) 09:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I do a lot of spam cleanup. What are you talking about "our page"? This is not a place to write about yourself or your pet project. Legacypac (talk) 09:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not your page, you do not WP:OWN any pages you create in Wikipedia they can be editied by anyone. Please avoid making personal attacks I haven't looked at the deletion discussion yet but I shall do so. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Post relates to this Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kamal Mustafa (DJ) and/or "02:25, 12 October 2018 Athaenara (talk | contribs) deleted page User:DJ Kamal Mustafa (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion in userspace)" Legacypac (talk) 09:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Yap i had link my social media on my user page because i didn't knew that it's not allowed & i had removed it already but why deleting my page ? Wikipedia is based on notability i have added notable links with the help of my team. DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No your profile page was deleted by an Admin as SPAM. You had not removed social media links and a solicitation for people to contact you about your music. Feel free to discuss the merits of keeping your Draft page at the deletion discussion page - discussion runs for a week. I would urge you to tell your staff not to insinuate that I, or all Wikipedia volunteers, hate Muslims or Pakistani's, as your associate has already done on the deletion discussion talkpage.  Editors come from all over the world. I have many followers of the Prophet in my family and I assuredly do not hate anyone  make decisions based on the religion or nationality of other editors.

Hi Dear legacy here you're wrong if you check log i had removed social media link right after your warning message then after 5 minutes the page got deleted so accept my apology on that on behalf of my team too. DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Second thing you said that my article is not notable & I'm promoting myself which is not right kindly check 2 years old wikipedia & the links :) after two years i have added 7 new magazine, newspaper & tv channel url which you have declined as well without even reason. Thier is a page of a newspaper here known as ummat newspaper kindly search my interview was there , but you have declined. I was featured in mtv chart you have declined , i was featured in ary news tv channel ( my film) which you have declined. I was featured in magazine you have declined , i have added urdupoint newspaper link which was declined. If everything is going to be declined then explain to me what is "notability". DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The place for this discussion is at Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:Kamal_Mustafa_(DJ). The decision will be made there. I can't even withdraw the deletion nomination at this point. Also DJ Kamal Mustafa your username is promotional and therefore against policy. You will need to change it. Legacypac (talk) 10:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

User:SiddiqFarooq DO NOT delete things from my talkpage - like this whole section. Do not delete notices of MfD discussions. Do not accuse me or other of racism. If you continue with such bad behavior I will seek to have your editing rights removed. Legacypac (talk) 10:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a pro forma notice. You know that I am not reporting you for anything, but you have a right to know that I have reported the suckpoppets.  (At least, they are acting like suckpoppets.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw the ANi. Seems more likely they are the DJ and an associate, but the page will go down at MfD without difficulty. Maybe they will get bored and wander off. Legacypac (talk) 03:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:V. P. Balagangadharan
Hello the title name is misleading. Metropolitan areas typically refer to areas of contiguous urban development which usually contain a dominant city (but in some cases several) and smaller towns which share a spatial relationaship. The articles appears to list city's not metropolitan areas. The latter are typically much smaller.

Hello, Legacypac If you feel Draft:V. P. Balagangadharan is good to go, can I go ahead an publish the same? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talk • contribs) 06:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks ok to me. Legacypac (talk) 06:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Legacypac: It has a "" comment. Please take that off? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talk • contribs) 16:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You can remove that. It is just for the draft stage. Legacypac (talk) 17:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac, I don't see an option to publish the article. I removed the tag and it's still in Draft. :| Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talk • contribs) 04:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac -- found out. Moved to Article. Thanks a ton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talk • contribs) 04:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Clarification request
Hi Legacypac, I am a bit confused with your comment on this draft. Are you opposing a move? " We can't accept the without getting an admin to remove the page at the target title, so can move this page there, which is undesirable..." I am finding your statement (in context, this line specifically as well) somewhat ambiguous. If so, Supergirl (season 2) might be of interest to you as it is currently CSD'd to make way for said move (commented out now, while I get to the bottom of this). -- The SandDoctor Talk 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I was able to figure it out. G6'd. -- The SandDoctor Talk 22:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I beleve the editor is going about these article splits incorrectly. The titles already exist as redirects. They should overwrite the redirects and remove the split content from the mother articles. They should not be trying to get these approved via AfC. Legacypac (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * They are going about it a little oddly, but there's nothing wrong with how they're doing it, provided they give the proper attribution. They haven't, and so I have done so and will ping so that they know for future reference. Primefac (talk) 02:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Attribution was done with these two edits: . - Brojam (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ach, my bad. I tend to forget to check the edit summaries for attribution. Either way, it's on the talk page now. Thanks for setting me straight! Primefac (talk) 02:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Attribution is one possible issue, getting the split only half done is another. Deleting the history of the mainspace page to make way for a move from Draft is not ideal. Going through AfC is also very slow when AfC is not necessary. Legacypac (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Primefac User:Legacypac User:TheSandDoctor - Well, I was the AFC reviewer, and I didn't see anything wrong with using AFC for the purpose. It was true that they were trying to game the system by telling me that one more editor amounted to a consensus to split, and that was wrong.  I did think that declining the draft on the grounds that the article already existed, when it was only a redirect, was confusing things further.  Legacypac - By telling them that the article already existed, when it did not, you were, in good faith, encouraging their idea that they could use G6 as a way to accept a draft, when we know that G6 isn't an acceptance method but a deletion method.  Legacypac:  Please don't confuse efforts to split articles by saying that a redirect is an article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We are a little constrained by the wording of the "exists" response. The title exists but as a redirect. The topic exists at the target of the redirect. So yes it exists. Therefore I see no role for AfC in dealing with the Draft. Anyone is welcome to use Draft to work up a page split before placing it into mainspace, but AfC should not be endorsing or doing the split when that is something that can be done boldly or after seeking the agreement of other interested editors. We should be dealing with new topics not playing judge over what should or should not be split off. Legacypac (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Richard Walker (Businessman)
Thanks for your comment on the Draft:Richard Walker (Businessman)- would you agree that references 6, 7 and 8 are those that need to be replaced or removed?

Any other suggestions welcomed! Thanks Tanykadavson WS (talk) 10:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:William_Michael_Boyle
Thanks for your speedy attention to this draft. I am curious as to why you think this one falls short of the bar, please.

The sourcing here is all independent (no interviews with the subject).

It is high-level, starting with the New York Times and continuing with major French and English national news organs.

Plus, these are not passing mentions, with the exception of the George Pelecanos name-check in the Times. (The NY Post review is a paragraph within a group.)

I could understand why another recent submission of mine (Tom Pitts) warranted firmer sourcing...but here it's higher-grade. Rory1262 (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Which point on WP:AUTHOR does he meet? Legacypac (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * "Multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" and "has won significant critical attention" Rory1262 (talk) 19:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, AfC is optional. You can move it yourself. Legacypac (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Appreciate your time and openness. Rory1262 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It may be close to the line. Might be fine. Legacypac (talk) 20:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

i am confused
i have no idea how to do this man srry i will try my best im new to dis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pearl playa (talk • contribs) 16:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Your "article" submitted to AfC is not an article. It is a little musing about yourself. You have yet to contribute anything useful to Wikipedia. You are just wasting our time at this point. Legacypac (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

srry man i will try to make something that is helpful and relevant.-Pearl playa (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Article about Damian Gorman
I was just wondering when the article about Damian Gorman will be published. You left a comment on the page saying that it passed the copyvio check. Here is the link to the draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Damian_Gorman

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emiliasimonian383 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

tis pie
I hope you are not copying the user CJinoz. I saw you deleting things on pageant titleholder lists too. Pageantgurl (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Desmond Doss
Non-notable children per Infobox person#children. You can create the article first. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 02:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Notable enough Google brings up its own profile on him. Numerous interviews due to Hacksaw Ridge. Not inclined to write up a separate page on Jr because his notability stems from his relationship to his father, and therefore he is best covered on his father's page. I notice you are way over 3RR on the page, taking out info that is already in the body of the article with a source but claiming it is unsourced. That unnecessarily annoys IP editors. You claimed unsourced, now you are relying on a suggestion on an infobox parameter, not a policy. I suggest leaving well enough alone and moving on to something more important. Did you have anything to do with getting the IP blocked for 72 hours? Legacypac (talk) 02:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

MfD request
Hello! Is there any way you can complete an MFD request made at WT:MFD? I’ve already applied the MfD template to the requested page. 99.203.31.123 (talk) 00:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes hard or impossible for an IP to MfD anything. I think you can vote/comment on the MfD though. Legacypac (talk) 02:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Article not reviewed
Hi.. I submitted this draft article Draft:List of universities having BDSM clubs about 9 weeks ago. It is still pending review. Till today not even one comment has been made on it by any Wiki admin. Every other draft article of such old age has been rejected/reviewed atleast once, but my submission has simply escaped attention. Since u r an article reviewer, I request you to kindly review this draft article and accept or reject it. Thanks Dugro (talk) 22:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a huge backlog - over 800 pages over 8 weeks old unreviewed. Is that a notable topic? Like does anyone write about that intersection? Legacypac (talk) 02:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

WP:UAA reports on users with no edits
Generally, there is no reason to report usernames with no edits whatsoever. Per WP:UAAI: "Wait until the user edits. Do not report a user that hasn't edited unless they are clearly a vandal. We do not want to welcome productive editors with a report at UAA, nor do we want to waste our time dealing with accounts that may never be used." The exceptions are obvious hate speech or names that attack a living person/Wikipedia editor, those are blockable even without any edits, but other run-of-the-mill violations need not be reported unless and until they at least attempt to edit, and you should be able to clearly explain what the problem is if it is not immediately evident.

For whatever reason, every day dozens, if not hundreds of accounts are created that never make one single edit. It is our responsibility as admins to conscientiously review every report a user makes at UAA, so we have to check for contribs, deleted contribs, and tripping of the edit filter for every one of these reports, only to find out there's nothing there and therefore no problem to be solved. That's time that could be spent doing more productive things, but you basically obligate admins to do it by making such reports. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I spotted a name while dealing with one that had edited. I'll try to remember for the future. Legacypac (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.
 * Backlog


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 * There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.


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Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Note
Because of my mistake for removing the PROD nomination on Chandler Smith (I did not see it was a BLPROD), I have myself nominated it on AfD, very much sorry. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Lenskart
Hi Legacypac,

I removed the advertising and promotional stuff from the Draft:Lenskart. Requesting you to please review if it meets wiki guidelines. Thanks in advance. 106.76.75.7 (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Legacypac, I am Trace Cheung,a translation student of Western Sydney University. I was asked to do the translation task in Wikipedia before the due date October 22,2018, the source text I found was "Shadow(2018年电影)" in Chinese. Here is the link: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BD%B1_(2018%E5%B9%B4%E9%9B%BB%E5%BD%B1). At that time, no one has done the English Wikipedia page in this subject. Therefore, I decided to translate this source text into English. But I just found that someone had made the English Wikipedia page in the same subject when I was doing translation. Because the page I made was completely the translation version of that source text, is it possible for me to create another English Wikipedia page about "Shadow (2018 Film)", even though someone has done the article in the same subject? Trace Cheung (talk) 03:02, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We can only have one article on a given subject. You can merge the info or replace the current page with a better version. Thank-you for doing the translation.  You don't need AfC approval to modify the existing page. Legacypac (talk) 03:14, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

NCORP
I hope to work with you in reworking this guideline. For my current ideas on another & more radical approach to the overall problem, see my brief presentation at Wikiconference North America a few days ago, at. It was your argument  at  the current AfD & my residual discontent with my position at other recent ones where you argued similarly, that  led me to  realize my current interpretation needed to be rethought; it was in connection with other discussions earlier in that meeting that led to to the recent presentation on the past Saturday. (not that what I proposed there is an immediately practical solution. )  DGG ( talk ) 05:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User:DGG I'm thinking about this. If we strengthened WP:LISTED and referenced it in WP:NCORP would that be a good path? Legacypac (talk) 03:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As a start, sure, but I'm thinking a little more about trying to include multiple factors that would normally make for notability, or make for non-notability.   DGG ( talk ) 02:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft space edits
I'm making a lot of draft space edits for 2018 candidates. This way, winning candidates have the start of an article ready to be put in the mainspace. Draft:Brendan Kelly (politician) isn't an AFC submission. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It popped on my watchlist. I presume I was involved in deleting the title at some point. Legacypac (talk) 03:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Everglades Wilderness Waterway
A 99 mile recreational waterway trail in the Everglades seems to me to be manifestly notable. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Rejected as a copyright violation, but National Park Service publications (or any federal gov work) are not copyrighted. I've accepted it. Major trail in a National Park is notable of course. Legacypac (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Queen Naija
Hi Legacypac. I saw that you moved from draft space. Can it be moved back? The amount of work it needs seems substantial. I'm happy to go into detail if you'd like. --Ronz (talk) 16:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I found she passed WP:NMUSIC (charted on Billboard top 100 to start) so approved it. Yes it needs work but that will tend to happen faster in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've never paid much attention to what qualifies a draft to transfer to an article. --Ronz (talk) 19:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * At AfC, the question is should it survive an AfD deletion discussion and not be elegible for a CSD. I agree the page was awful- but cleanup is proceeding nicely. Legacypac (talk) 19:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I recall a deletion criteria about an article needing a complete rewrite from better sources, but I'm not seeing it at WP:DP, so I guess we're ok. --Ronz (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:TNT is soemtimes cited in deletion discussions. Legacypac (talk) 20:42, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:George T. Frampton
I don't really get why this one is languishing in draftspace. All the other recent chairs of Council on Environmental Quality, a presidential appointement requiring Senate confirmation, appear to have articles. He was also president of the Wilderness Society, a clerk for a Supreme Court Justice during Roe v. Wade, assistant special prosecutor during Watergate, an author, a partner at MAJOR and influential law firms. I haven't really delved into much a search for sources but his marriage got 2 New York Times articles and it seems like there's plenty out there such as his role in opposing Robert Bork's Supreme Court nomination and accusing the judge of lying about his activities as Solicitor General during Watergate. Not my entry but at least it should get a hearing at AfD if it's going to be excluded IMHO. FloridaArmy (talk) 04:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If you feel like it qualifies, why not mainspace it yourself? AfC is not a binding contract. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * He is under an inapproproate restriction. It seems to me much of the junk gets declined quickly then the harder cases get left unaccepted forever. I find I can accept a high proportion of the very old pages - perhaps others are afraid to accept good/needs work for fear of making a mistake? Legacypac (talk) 05:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, shit, I didn't realize. I apologize, FloridaArmy. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:25, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * FloridaArmy creates and finds and improves some of the best drafts we see. We really need to get that restriction lifted now. He is pretty much ready for autoconfirmed level now. Legacypac (talk) 06:29, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:J.delanoy/U suck. I could totally pwn u in my sleep.
Hello Legacypac. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:J.delanoy/U suck. I could totally pwn u in my sleep., a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Long-running page created and endorsed by User:J.delanoy as something he found humorous. Thank you. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 14:18, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Advice
I know it's frustrating, but ease up on the edit summaries  Tide  rolls  14:42, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I misread the page history.  Tide  rolls  14:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Me too! Thought those comments were by Legac.  Flooded  with them hundreds  14:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't make edit summaries like that. IP blocked before I could report them for edit warring. Legacypac (talk) 15:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Rein B. del Rosario
Hi Legacypac, Ok I'll find more references to support my article but I'm afraid it will came just from the other websites. As the company was included in their list of accredited firm. But saddening the company has not yet been written by the other articles and news. Because the company is a third party sampler of the Department of Environmental and Natural resources in the Philippines from the pubic sector. Hence it's kinda strict for the company and the like to do so much campaigns and so on. Anyways as I said I'll try to find more references as much as I can for this article to be accepted. Thanks!(Rein Del Rosario (talk) 23:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC))

Draft:John Waterman
Can this be merged to the John R. Waterman House article? Or at least created and redirected so the article history is available? Seems borderline notable to me on its own but a merge would seem a reasonable outcome. Not my draft but I edited it a bit. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll accept it and you merge. Legacypac (talk) 19:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Maybe redirect after you accept it pending the merge since two people.have weighed.in that they don't think he's independently notable. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:53, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the house was his grandson's. Although building a house at 17ish seems impressive to me, but let me see what I can flesh out. Three generations of John Waterman so it gets a bit confusing.. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Rare Beer Club
You indicated that the Rare Beer Club is indeed notable. Thank you. You also mentioned that the tone makes this similar to a promotional piece. Looking over the text again, I realize you are right. I will change the language to eliminate this. Thanks again. --Dylanexpert (talk) 02:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Bill Finkbeiner article
Thanks for your comments. I just wanted to make sure it was in somewhat publishable condition before sending it through. He is notable as a state senator, but using Vote Smart is a bit on the user-generated side. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:04, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I've been cleaning up the page I found while cleaning abandoned userspace. He's notable, I just want to get the page into shape enough to move to mainspace and allow interested editors to improve it. Legacypac (talk) 18:12, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, looks like Vote Smart is okay for now Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_171. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Mark Tatum
Finally! Thanks for accepting my article draft for Mark Tatum! Respect 68.5.231.50 (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

on Big Green
Thank you for accepting this draft and for giving it a Start Class grading. Though it still needs a lot of improvement, it is a huge encouragement for me to continue contributing quality articles to Wikipedia.Gmli82164 (talk) 21:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Gmli82164
 * Keep up the good work. Improve existing pages as the priority. Legacypac (talk) 22:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

About: A Madea Family Funeral
Hi Legacypac, I'm not familiar with the subject, but I'm trusting your judgment here. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Arvi Johannes Hurskainen
Would you mind taking another look at Arvi Johannes Hurskainen? The article contains some bold claims, but the references don't hold up at all, and a Google search is turning up nothing. I'm wondering what you saw that I'm not. Thanks. Brad v  04:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Problem 1 the refs were not displaying correctly. Fixed that. This page supports some of the content . The "Knight First Class, The Order of the White Rose of Finland 2005." jumped out as a significant award from his government for lifetime acheivement. Legacypac (talk) 04:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That link is something he wrote himself, and the "Knight First Class" reference doesn't even mention the subject. I can't find reliable sources for any of these claims.  Brad  v  04:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Given most refs will be in Finnish... you think it is a fraud? Happy to move it back and request better refs. Legacypac (talk) 04:57, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's entirely made up, as there are some scholar sources . However, these are not enough to satisfy either the GNG or PROF, and most of the content is completely unsourced, so it's puffery at the very least. It should go back to draftspace if we think there's a possibility it's notable, or it needs to go to AfD for a definitive answer. Brad  v  05:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I switched to desktop where I can translate sources. Searching the subject's name brings up numerous academic sources confirming his senior position, citing his work, tying him to Swahili and other machine translation etc. He sure seems notable, even if the provided sourcing may not be the best. I really doubt this is a hoax or exaggeration. Given he retired 12 years ago, what would be the benefit? Legacypac (talk) 05:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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DBS Leoch
Hi,

I'm new to Wikapedia so I hope you are able to help me as the site pointed me this way. I was wondering if it would be possible to see the last submited material for DBS Leoch from back in March. I am taking over trying to creat a page but I know it was denied in the past, I want to be able to improve it but I need to know what was written and what sources where used to do so. Any help would be much appricated. Kind regards, MHughesDBS (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You need an Admin to access deleted material. Legacypac (talk) 11:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Legacypac, just for info, I've replied in detail on his talk page, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:43, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jim Legacypac (talk) 17:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Jeff Colhoun (photographer)
Hello Legacypac, thank you kindly for reviewing the article, making edits and suggestions. The person you had mentioned in link is indeed a different person, with a different spelling, and bio. Please let me know if you may have any additional insight; I added more references and am wondering your thoughts on if it will be moved to the review process soon. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annemariecarney (talk • contribs) 18:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Point of Graves Cemetery
Another editor has denied this submission and marked it as not notable seemingly prohibiting it from being resubmitted for review. Seems manifestly notable to me and one source covering it just this year says it's the oldest cemetery in New Hampshire. Please let me know if you have any suggestions on how to proceed. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That was a very bad decline. I've approved the page and will spot check some other declines by that reviewer. Legacypac (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The oldest in New Hampshire bit was added after the decline. But still.. And I hadn't experienced a page marked Not Notable so it can't be resubmitted before.FloridaArmy (talk) 19:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Even without the oldest fact added it should have been accepted. The Reject template is just an opinion and is not binding. I invented an early version of it for times when someone needs to be told firmly to stop submitting their promotional or nonsense pages. It builds a case if someone continues to push for inclusion of crap we can say we told them to stop when the page hits MfD. Legacypac (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 20:53:10, 31 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Debraannclark
I wrote an article about a book - Survivor: The Benny Turner Story. I wrote this article with the blessing of BENNY TURNER HIMSELF and his manager, who checked and approved my content. Please tell me what needs to be done to get this page back. I did not save a draft and you arbitrarily deleted my entire work. Respond ASAP.

I've had to jump through hoops in the past to get his CD page published. Again - THIS IS WITH HIS APPROVAL.

I look forward to your response.

Debraannclark (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Debraannclark (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You'll need help from an Admin - maybe one will see this message. Legacypac (talk) 21:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Debraannclark, the page was deleted as a copyright violation by the deleting admin, and for legal reasons we cannot restore the deleted text. In any case, we require neutral independent articles, so the fact that he and his manager have checked and approved your article is a reason NOT to publish it. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Please contact me ASAP. I am slowly stewing that I wasn't even given a chance to edit the article and have NO BACKUP.

I WANT AN ADMIN - NOT A STALKER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debraannclark (talk • contribs) 1 November 2018 14:37 (UTC)


 * Legacypac is not an admin, but you should be able to find one at WP:REFUND. Brad  v  15:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Jimfbleak is an Admin and gave you a very detailed answer. Legacypac (talk) 17:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


 * You deleted Draft:Survivor: The Benny Turner Story. Please restore it, as I have "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)" permission for the quoted passages from the author in 2018050610001043. Pinging who commented above.    — Jeff G. ツ 02:20, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to that ticket, but I know you and your good work, so done.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks to, and Legactpac Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * and Legacypac: Thank you all.  — Jeff G. ツ 11:32, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm so appreciative - thank you! Debraannclark (talk) 14:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Just saying hi
We haven't crossed paths in a while, which is unfortunate. Anyway, just saying hi and that I'm glad to see you on my watchlist. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I took some time off while in Mexico with less internet access amd way more work to do than normal. I enjoy Wikipedia :) BTW I think you closed a thread at AN a little early. The blocking admin got it way wrong. This will go to ArbComm if not fixed quickly. Legacypac (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Just echoing  's thoughts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Commenting for the accountability bit: it’s an individual admin action and those are best appealed through talk pages. It’s much easier to get unblocked there and actually have a conversation. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried that - was told no and to get another Admin to take a look. Admin blocking should read WP:BANEX and apply a little common sense. Legacypac (talk) 03:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

John Blackwood (art dealer)
Just wanted to hello, and to thank you for the fastest approval of a Wikipedia I have ever had! Very best wishes. John Jgdc47B (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I often work the userspace submissions so they don't wait long. Great article! Legacypac (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Can
you please clarify as to your acceptance of Nagendranath De? Best, &#x222F; WBG</b> converse 10:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * He's dead and evidently fairly prominent in his field. It's all offline sources unfortionately. Oddly it was declined for not having any links to other articles, which is not a valid decline. Legacypac (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I see that you have failed to recognize of yours' accepting a G12able closely-paraphrased article.See this article which (incidentally) also rebuts your's claim about offline sources. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 16:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, that article is neither any reliable for the intricate details but a stub can be fleshed out. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 16:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well good find. Thanks for ambushing me on a possible missed copyvio instead of simply disclosing your find. That page did not come up in my copyvio check obviously, maybe because it is a PDF type or scanned page. Also the only time I looked at the page was in May 2018. I did not say there were no offline sources available, just none provided. Legacypac (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You do a lot of good work and let my ambush not undermine that:-) FWIW, I have been a strong proponent of accepting any borderline stuff, from pre-internet era, with a strong claim of significance and if it was not a copy-vio, I would have pretty much accepted it. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 17:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Anything that well written is likely a copyvio. Only spammers write good pages. Legacypac (talk) 19:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

The Voice of Holland (Season 9)
Legacypac, just letting you know that the author of this short-circuited the AfC process, and "cut-and-paste" moved it to WP:Mainspace. I don't believe the article is ready for Mainspace, and should be properly (WP:HISTMERGEd?) back to Draftspace. Just letting you know in case you want to follow up on your end. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I just declined that in Draft as no sources. Legacypac (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:13:30, 4 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jayriq
Hi Legacypac, You said Sources still missing from some parts, could you kindly point me to the parts you feel are missing because I feel I have comprehensively referenced my sources. Thanks!

Jayriq (talk) 09:13, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Loneema Borah Submission declined on 31 October 2018
Hi Legacypac. i don't agree with this, I had just created the article and am in the process of expanding it. This article has given links from various sites Including Indian Government websites including Ministry Of Corporate Affairs, This article is about a person, not about a company or organization. Moreover this article is under development and its a. She is regionally a notable figure. Vrisle (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

That is fine. AFC is an optional process. I gave my opinion. You don't need AfC approval to put the page in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Old_Growth_(New_Now)
Hello Legacypac,

Thank you so much for the approval and created the article for Old Growth (New/Now). I want to ask you that if you can help me to edit the name, the title for the Wikipedia page? It should be Old Growth (New/Now) NOT Old Growth (New Now). Please let me know. I try to do it myself and I am not able to do it. Thank you so much for all your help!

Best, Jeanie --Nomorebadtype (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes I know about the title but a / makes a subpage so I don't know how to override that. Maybe one of my many talkpage stalkers knows the solution Legacypac (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Stoyanov Aleksandr has a new comment
<div style="border:solid 1px #9accf6;background:#f1f9ff;padding:1em;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bottom:1em;color:black;margin-bottom: 1.5em;width: 100%;"> I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Stoyanov Aleksandr. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Good job
Your work at AfC is not going unnoticed. Thank you! SportingFlyer  talk  07:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Trying to reduce the backlog. The pages at the back of the line are mostly notable but no one seems willing to make the accept call. Weird, must be easier to decline the new crap coming in daily. Legacypac (talk) 07:42, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Understandable. There are quite a few which are borderline or would require a lot of work to confirm. Much easier to just blow up the spam. Anyways, cheers. Almost down to under 2000... SportingFlyer  talk  05:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Can Not Add Article For Musician Rick Brewster Due To Your Declining Content From The Band's Page
I have been drafting a page for a well know musician here in Australia under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rick_Brewster_(musician)and now I am told on your review of the submission "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at The Angels (Australian band) instead." What i don't understand is that his brother and various other members of the band are able to have their own Wikipedia pages despite being present on the page for the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3.14fingers (talk • contribs) 05:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC) 3.14fingers (talk) 06:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally we include profiles of band members on the band page. The exception is if the individual has a significant body of work independant of the band. That is not the case here. The existence of other pages that may be outside of policy does not matter. WP:NBAND Legacypac (talk) 06:32, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

"Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Legacypac (talk) 06:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Kaihan Krippendorff article
I do not have any relationship or financial ties to Krippendorff. I heard him speak at Columbia Business School and read his books. His contribution to management thinking is noteworthy. I worked again to updat the language to remove anything that seems promotional - my apologies as my writing style may have come across as promotional. I am a fairly new wikipedia contributor and would like to contribute this page to the community. I would appreciate the opportunity to continue working on the page until it is fit to add to the wiki lexicon. Slotmachiner (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)Slotmachiner

Mt Washington Fire Protection District
Legacypac, I Cannot Thank You Enough For Accepting My Article. It's The Best News Ive Heard All Day. I Also Ask You If There's Any More I Can Do To Make The Article Better.

Thanks Again, FlyingPanzer (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Try searching Google News you might find some newspaper coverage. The solid wall of department pages is offending people. If this was a Fire Department of a City, I might consider merging it with the City's page but this is a District which means it is not controlled by another entity or necessarily covers the same geography. Legacypac (talk) 16:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Legacypac, next time you accept a draft article, please first check for copyright violation. This article was copied nearly verbatim from the fire district history page. I doubt it would have survived AfD otherwise (a redirect at most), but copyvio is a basic check for drafts. Fram (talk) 07:40, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I check every draft I accept with earwig. You are wrong about notability - evidently you did not read the talkpage because you did not comment there. Various AfC reviewers discussed and agreed it was notable there and elsewhere. How convinient you both allege a copyvio amd delete it AFTER your PROD was declined. Legacypac (talk) 07:44, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "Various AfC reviewers" being you and one other. Anyway, I'll start a new section lower on this page to discuss your dealings with copyvio at AfC, as there seem to be recurring problems with it. In general, Earwig is easily fooled, and you shouldn't hide behind it. It's a first step, not the only step one should take when checking for copyvio. Fram (talk) 08:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No there was another discussion on an editor talkpage. There is no recurring problem with copyvio - I just handle a lot of pages and copyvio is hard to catch sometimes. If you check User:Legacypac/CSD_log you will see I seek G12 deletions all the time. Don't pick on me and abuse your Admin tools. Legacypac (talk) 08:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Andrea Luka Zimmerman
Thank you for accepting this Legacypac - it's my first article and has taken a while. (JKHBlair (talk) 12:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC))

A kitten for you!
Cheers for clearing the Drafts for me. :)

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