User talk:Legacypac/Archive 2

Moving unsuitable drafts to mainspace
It was highly disruptive to move User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp to mainspace when you knew it was not suitable. You are hereby issued with wet trout. If you do this again, you may be blocked.

Just in case you don't understand why your actions are inappropriate, consider the following analogy. There is something in your userspace which I find objectionable. I move the page into the template namespace. I then open a TfD pointing out that it is not a template and should be deleted.

If you want to change Wikipedia's policy on the draft namespace, then please work towards getting it changed. (You may well receive broad support from other editors.) But circumventing inconvenient policies that you don't agree with, will not be tolerated. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:57, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank-you for your opinion, but kindly do not threaten me with blocking for enacting the logical conclusion of a Keep vote. At least in mainspace it has a chance someone will bring it up to standard, but in the userspace of a long departed user it will sit and rot. Legacypac (talk) 07:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Further to the above and regarding User:Akeefe98/Joseph Summer, "kept at MfD" is not adaquate justification for moving a userspace draft to article space. During the MfD you stated your opinion as "Not seeing any notability on this BLP." Yet you decided to move this to article space on 2 April. This is disruptive and needs to stop. If it was not for all your good content work elsewhere I would have blocked you already. I have moved it back to userspace. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:42, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Moving drafts into AFC
If you're going to move old drafts into the AFC queue (which I can't say I approve of; it's very hard to see it as anything other than a deliberate attempt to circumvent the recently-reestablished consensus against routine deletion of non-AFC stale drafts), please at least direct comments about them toward the author of the draft, not to yourself. is the proper incantation. —Cryptic 23:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand about comments. There is no consensus against deletion of non-AFC stale drafts. There is plenty of policy that allows and facilitates such cleanup. There is a project to review them that is resulting in many deleted and some promoted. Legacypac (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I should have said speedy, deletion, sorry. (WT:CSD for any onlookers.)  About comments, I mean stuff like, which you misdirected User:KylieTastic into posting on your talk page instead of User:Agravert's with this edit.  In this particular case, it probably wouldn't have made a difference - if Agravert didn't respond to the MFD, he's not going to for an AFC decline.  Once in a while someone has the email-me-when-someone-edits-my-talkpage option turned on, though, so even a user who's been inactive for a long time can be brought back to the project by a message like this.  We see it all the time immediately after a draft actually does get deleted. —Cryptic 00:01, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not using G13 on userspace drafts. I'm not intending to misdirect anyone to post anywhere, I'm using the provided submit button that clearly says "don't change anything, hit save" or something like that. Legacypac (talk) 00:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we're talking past each other. I'm not saying that you're deliberately hiding these messages from the user for which they're intended, just that the method you're using has that effect.  The big blue submit-this-draft button is intended for the draft's author, the code backing it assumes that it's the author that pushes it, and the code backing AFC declines and accepts and comments assumes that it was the author that pushed it.  That's why you're continuously getting and removing semi-automated "Your draft has been declined" messages that aren't intended for you - I can't imagine that you had any doubt whether these drafts would be accepted as-is.  When you're submitting a draft on behalf of someone else, you have to make sure that the u= parameter of AFC submission is the draft's author.  {tl|AFC draft}} does this for you; the newbie-friendly submission does not. —Cryptic 09:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. Since you're still doing this, I have no choice but to assume you are deliberately trying to avoid notifying these drafts' authors and get these eventually speedied without proper scrutiny. Do it again and I will block you from editing. —Cryptic 01:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

"Per editor request" where? —Cryptic 21:17, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No answer? —Cryptic 11:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand the computer gibberish you posted. The feedback comes to the page anyway so the user is notified. As for your more recent question, which I missed earlier. Evidently you can't read requests in English at the top of the page submitted. Do you know of a process for review and comment on drafts in Wikipedia other then AfC? Legacypac (talk) 14:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I saw that, yes. I would have thought that, considering I'd just warned you I'd block you if you did this again, the context would have been abundantly clear.  But I'll spell it out - where, precisely, did that user ask to have his draft be reviewed but specifically not to be informed of the feedback or that it would be deleted if he didn't eventually respond to that feedback? —Cryptic 10:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Allowed

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Ross Garland - moving stale drafts into mainspace
Hi, first of all thank you for all you do to preven usable content languishing forever in Draftspace. I just have a few concerns after doing page curation of Ross Garland. The topic was notable, the prose was good. However, there were some issues that I think should have been adressed before moving it to mainspace. There were no inline citations (which in a BLP is a serious issue). Some of the information was clearly out of date (like the Spud (film) being upcoming). All the reference links provided were broken. These were easily fixed issues, and I don't mind doing it. It just worries me that it was sitting in mainspace for a bit with these issues before being patrolled. Now there are already lots more articles in mainspace with these kinds of issues, and worse, but most of them are created by new editors who don't know any better. This is unavoidable. What concerns me is that I have been noticing a worrying trend of stale drafts just being moved by capable and experienced editors into mainspace, with no prior dusting up, in the hope that someone will fix them up one in mainspace. Happy Squirrel (talk) 15:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Each editor has areas they prefer to work on. I'm one of a very few editors surfacing stale drafts and that takes a lot of effort. In my experience the pages get reviewed by new page patrollers and tagged and improved pretty quickly. My role is one of triage, not building it into perfection. There are lots of editors interested and willing to do improvements. Legacypac (talk) 16:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia
Content on Wikipedia is licensed through attribution. Please, at the bare minimum, include a link to the original article in an edit summary when copying to another article (more at WP:CORRECTSPLIT). I would presume this applies to material translated from our French-speaking friends at fr.wikipedia. Thanks.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:07, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it. I understand that a redirect and note in the edit summary provides attribution correctly, which I did already. Your dummy edits are another good way to, so thanks. Legacypac (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think in the future, the best way may be to provide a link in the initial edit summary of page creation.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I could have done a move I suppose but multiple articles should get rolled in and I wrote the lead first. Legacypac (talk) 01:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I have no noted several instances where Vidatafazoli re-added info that was added Amgood1993 but removed by others. I start to think that User:Vidatafazoli is a sockpuppet of Amgood1993, what makes him a sockpuppet of Sockpuppet investigations/Colombiabeauty/Archive.

The intersection tool gave this as common articles: [ https://tools.wmflabs.org/intersect-contribs/index.php?project=enwiki&namespaceFilter=all&users[]=Amgood1993&users[]=Vidatafazoli&users[]=&users[]=&users[]=&users[]=&users[]=&users[]=&sort=0]

What do you think? The Banner talk 21:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

That is a lot of commonality and pretty much on one topic... I'll look for more evidence. Legacypac (talk) 07:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Deletion question
Am wondering why you deleted content from my Sandbox 2? Would appreciate any pertinent discussion/WP guidelines/etc. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It showed up in the stale drafts maitenance category. The vast majority of such pages are by long gone users. You are more then restore if it is useful to you Legacypac (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I was puzzled as to why you were deleting content in my named userspace/sandbox since I have always thought that WP guidelines consider associated user pages, to be under the purview of the editors in question. For instance, talk-page guidelines say that the named User (in the title) can delete Warnings and we can edit our own comments but editors in general are not supposed to edit others' posts unless there is content harming the project or content going against WP guidelines.  Heh, last I checked I was not long-gone, so of course I am free to restore or delete as I wish.  I suppose clearing out stale content can be a necessary WP-housekeeping chore but *still*...doesn't quite seem right to go into other editors' subpages and delete non-harmful content.  Thanks for your reply, Shearonink (talk) 19:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Your comments apply mainly to your talk page. We have more latitude in other userspace. For example. Today I moved several userspace drafts into maimspace while working the same maitenance list. You would not believe the number of hoaxs, attack pages, copyvio, and other nonsense in userspace. this is one of several places such pages are listed. Feel free to join in cleanup if you are looking for something to do. Legacypac (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Neelix templates
Hi Legacypac. There are fewer than 250 templates created by Neelix, and about 40 related to taxonomy navigation. Some of the taxonomy templates seem to be OK, in so far as they do list all subordinate taxa, including red-links. Although I'm not still not a fan of these templates; they're redundant to categories and the taxobox and may require ongoing maintenance to be kept up to date.

I find the TfD/RfD/AfD listing process kind of fiddly and annoying, so I don't really like nominating stuff for deletion myself (I've had a tab open in my browser for months now to remind me that I ought to get Neelix's common name redirects to Syagrus cearensis listed). I'd be happy to go prepare a list of Neelix's taxonomy templates with a brief analysis (e.g., complete list with mostly blue links/complete list with lots of red links/incomplete list, in use/not in use) if you want to take on listing them for deletion. I'm not sure I want to tackle all of the non-taxonomy templates, but I am seeing some problems with them. Template:Elis is not a complete discography of the band, Template:English Incumbents and Template:Australian Incumbents are woefully incomplete. Plantdrew (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Set up Twinkle. Becomes super easy to nominate for deletion. Legacypac (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Your balls
You've got balls, I will give you that. The inclusionists will never budge on their stance that every country in the world must be heard. I've currently been working on getting the Wikiquote article up to scratch. I figure once it is in good shape, we will have a mandate to remove it without "removing" it.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  06:04, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Compromise never works-already reverted. So back to AfD. Legacypac (talk) 06:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that compromise cannot be made for these types of articles, as there are two completely opposing viewpoints; neither of which wish to budge. Also, it hasn't even been two weeks since the last AfD. If you're unlucky, the AfD may be closed before discussion begins.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  06:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think some reactions are notable, but they get drowned out by all the irrelevant noise. Legacypac (talk) 06:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Skater00/Mafia? Nein Danke
For User:Skater00/Mafia? Nein Danke the G6 nomination again was inappropriate as the user had been active about 7 months ago. I agree that the page is useless, but the speedy delete rule is what was agreed by the consensus, and is not to be bent for no good reason. Please check for user contributions before nominating for the default text G6 reason. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Opps, must have misread the dates while checking that. Sorry. I'm looking for other contributions and problems so I do check contributions. Legacypac (talk) 08:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I do delete the great majority of your nominations.  So if you really want to continue this sort of work while blocked, you can make a list below and I can delete based on that list. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the recently closed TfD
You asked a question at the recent TfD for Daphnia, the answer to which I felt wasn't particularly relevant to the close itself. A list of Neelix's template creations can be found here. It would certainly appear that they created more than a couple misleading (i.e. unnecessarily short) species templates. Primefac (talk) 03:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Browning Hill
I'm glad you thought Browning Hill was a decent draft, but I would have appreciated it if you had discussed it with me before moving it to article space; I'd have liked to do some clean up on it, and see if I could get it long enough for DYK. Oh well, what's done is done and I appreciate you having interest in it and wanting to see it published. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 23:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Userspace drafts can only be moved by another user in that manner if they reside in the "userspace of long inactive users". As you are active, the move was inappropriate, and I think it would be reasonable for you to revert the move if desired. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 23:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I'm not going to revert it. The article has improved some since it was moved, and at the moment I've got real life things to concern myself with so it would just sit around in userspace going nowhere, which I think was Legacypac's concern. It's just that, since I am active, I should have been asked first. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 00:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect and should mind your own business User:Godsy. Every contribution to Wikipedia is released for other editors to work on regardless of the location. I simply promoted a draft that had not been worked on for a very long time. The vast majority of stale drafts are in the userspaces of long gone users. User:ONUnicorn's was a very rare exception. Legacypac (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Legacypac: You could use this opportunity to apologise to ONUnicorn for moving his draft without discussing with him/her first. They have taken it very well in the circumstances. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd rather not apologize for something I did to improve the encyclopedia, thereby setting a precedent that would be used against me by Godsy (who has moved many pages I promoted back into userspace of users that are long gone). I promoted a 10 year old draft. Godsy is incorrectly interpreting a permissive statement dealing with a subset of pages as a prohibitive statement and he is wrong about that. I'm glad User:ONUnicorn found my actions helpful and I would have responded differently had Godsy not butted onto my talkpage while I was taking a Wikibreak to be unhelpful. Legacypac (talk) 13:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly, your response to ONUnicorn should not be affected by the intervention of another editor. Secondly, I don't think your move was prohibited against any policy but was discourteous. Thirdly, I'm done here. It's nice to see you back after your break, but you really should try to be less abrasive with other editors. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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take over
at Rfd take over at RfD I was just doing the last combine for the chroma key ones or leave it to me you say which mate. Your shift Si Trew (talk) 22:50, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Edit conflicted out by the next listing ... she's all yours. Legacypac (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Cracking I was gonna knock off at 2AM my time 00 UTC from the Neelix lot so they all go in one day's listing. Nice to see you old bean, haven't seen you for a while! Si Trew (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

break
Right I am going for to try to bum a fag next door and will be around until about 2am ie 00 UTC but all yours at RfD. I need to add I think white-berries or a few others to the top listing but it can wait. Si Trew (talk) 23:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I meant borrow a cigarette. Si Trew (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's tough work - makes your mind a bit batty. I think all the listings look good now and I've voted. I removed one that turned red already from CSD I presume. Legacypac (talk) 23:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

AN/I-notice May 4, 2016
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Thanks
Hey there legacypac, thanks for giving me the link to the 'To Do' lists - sorry if i casued any inconvenience with that page - kind regards,Josh2221 (talk) 01:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Have a barnstar

Dispute Resolution
If your plan is to use User:Legacypac/Godsygaming and User:Legacypac/Godsymoves for dispute resolution, then I suggest you get to it and stop linking non-DR pages to your subpages.--v/r - TP 23:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I've moved the pages to User:Legacypac/sandbox1 User:Legacypac/sandbox2 and CSD'd the redirects. It would be less drama if you replaced my CSDs with Db-u1 NE Ent 11:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Removing other editor's comments in a deletion discussion
Can you explain why you removed another editor's comment at this deletion discussion? It's not appropriate. -- Whpq (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Suggest, for 166.x.x.x, when removing their comments that you tag the IP with .  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Known troll at MfD. we all remove their posts on sight. Legacypac (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. An edit summary would have been helpful. -- Whpq (talk) 20:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

My Close
If you believe my close is inaccurate, you can contest it. I wouldn't object. Kosh Vorlon  13:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Template CSD's
I declined some of your template CSD's. These templates are in use - if there is a speedy criteria for deletion that you want to use, please clean up all transclusions first. — xaosflux  Talk 17:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * They are certainly all fine to lump in to a massive TFD. — xaosflux  Talk 17:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * And if there is a huge batch that may be the way to go, then a bot can clean them all up. — xaosflux  Talk 17:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the translutions now. Will restore the CSD tags. These don't need debate imho. Legacypac (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK - deleted that one that is no longer in use, if you do have a huge batch though a list may be better than clogging up CSD. — xaosflux  Talk 20:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I've CSD'd them all except for several at TfD going solid delete vites. Not worth setting up a bot. Legacypac (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

June 2016
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Babak Pasdar a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 03:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Miss USA winner discussion
Since you have made previous nominations related to articles on this subject, I thought you might be interested in the deletion discussions for Laci Scott and several others currently in process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back!

 * Thank-you very much. Being stalked by a person now trying to become an Admin was not fun. Being banned for giving some kind advice was really annoying. Will see if I'll edit, but for months I refused to log in or even read Wikipedia. Legacypac (talk) 21:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

RFD on Obama bin laden closed as "speedy keep"
Hello again. Just to let you know, the Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 29 was closed as "speedy keep". Before rehashing the same issue, please notify me, and/or look up old archives at Redirects for discussion/Log. If the former, then we may possibly have mutual discussion. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 02:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess some people don't see this as a BLP problem. I'll let it rest for now but happy to support any future deletion effort. Legacypac (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Question on your comment on Draft:René B. Azurin page
Hi Legacypac,

Thank you for reviewing my submission and your comment on my page (Draft:René_B._Azurin). I am not quite sure what you mean by a "problematic" tone. Could you clarify please? In any case, I've looked at some other entries and did some revisions on the submitted article based on what I saw. I hope this resolves the problem. Thank you.

Peppa.santos (talk) 04:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Belated welcome back
Had not noticed until today that you're back. Glad to see you. David in DC (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Legacypac (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

New Pages Reviewer
Hi,

After your edits, I skimmed a little through your history. You definitely are an experienced user, and you communicate politely. Would you please consider becoming New pages patrol/Reviewers? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, currently wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the right, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). — usernamekiran (talk)  04:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted
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Rye Pottery
Thanks for reminding me about this. It does look OK, but I will need a couple of days to to sort out the references Ruskinmonkey (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome Legacypac (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Done already. Might add a few details when I find the sources,Ruskinmonkey (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
I wanted notify you that the article Henry Elkins has been listed on the Articles for deletion/Henry Elkins. Mitchumch (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

G2
Did you? Did you really tag a whole slew of drafts as, as test pages???? LOL.Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:24, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * After eliminating a 1400 page backlog at G13 elegible AfD (which included a lot of blank ones) I found a whole category of blank submissions. Sorry not much for your reading pleasure! They are either obvious tests of the AfC submit button or some weird sort of vandalism. Delete them now or delete them later as G13 but as G2 they are not going to waste admin time by being "refundable" Legacypac (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well it's certainly a novel approach.Dlohcierekim (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh look a big SUBMIT button! Let me test what that does... than never come back to type a word. It's not an attempt at an article. Legacypac (talk) 07:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

User:AlvonP/sandbox
Hey Legacypac, One of the things about reviewing G13s that makes them a sort of break from harder reviewing like copyvios, A7s and the like, is that you can mostly zone out and just make sure six months is up – rarely do I see any that are not. Just note the one above which woke me up as a decline. Last I checked, it was June 12. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ya I was finding a bunch that were over 6 month but not in the CSD G13 list. Spam must have made me numb and unable to count months. Funny thing is, that page borders on a hoax. None of the claims are backed up by the sources listed except she is a non-notable ex-model. Will ax it next month. Legacypac (talk) 03:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Spam affects us all differently. You get numbing, I get nausea and a strong desire to punch walls. Hawaiians seem impervious.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The most frustrating part of SPAM is that a lot of people refuse to act against it and leave the thrash in place with the argument "spam can be solved by normal editing". Predictable: nothing happens afterwards. The Banner talk 11:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. On that issue a few years ago we got our first really strong new tool against spam (indirect, but still it targets the user who post it broadly in a manner nothing else does) and no one is using it. The terms of use were amended to require mandatory disclosure for paid editing, broadly construed to mean anyone editing with a financial stake in the subject of their edits – where The COI guidelines is fangless, only strongly "recommending", but now we have a way to enforce something. What has been done? Nothing. I created, ,  and  to try to make a path. They are barely being used.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What tool? And are your templates part of Twinkle? The Banner talk 12:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer
Hi. I'm just letting you know that following a discussion at User talk:Arthur Rubin, your account has been added back to the New Page Reviewer user group. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank-you for your help. Legacypac (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Topic Ban per ANI
As per the consensus at ANI, you are topic banned from moving any article from Draft:, User: or any other space to main space, regardless of author, and must instead use the WP:AFC system for your own articles. Per standard terms, this ban may be appealed in 6 months and every 6 months thereafter that it is not successful. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 21:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Here is a list of my promotions. Legacypac (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Legacypac, I don't judge the merits of the individual, I just gauge the consensus and implement the will of the community. I have no opinion, for if I did, then I couldn't close the discussion.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 21:58, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well the "will" is based on easily demolished false allegations. As a closing admin are you are not required to consider the merits of the arguments and evidence presented? I'm absolutely shocked at your close sanctioning the victim and letting the bully carry on. I'll have to reconsider my involvement here. Legacypac (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the consensus but missed my chance to comment. If the hounding continues, continue to gather evidence and diffs off wiki and kick it up to ArbCom before considering leaving. With the topic ban in place you've got little to lose - just leaving without kicking it to ArbCom would be denying yourself another chance at a trial and admitting defeat to the hounder. jcc (tea and biscuits) 22:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As closing admin, I can't read all the evidence and if I disagree with the community, then override them. That would be a "supervote". You know this, or at least you should.  If you think I misread the consensus, you can always raise the issue at WP:AN, but they will NOT reconsider the merits there; they will only look at my close and determine if my close is a reasonable read of the consensus based on what the editors were saying.  I'm not recommending it, and if you instead try to use it to argue the merits again, it could have negative consequences for you, so understand now you can only ask for a review of MY actions there.   Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 22:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So this is different then closing XfDs and RfCs... I was not aware of that. You admit you counted !votes while ignoring the substance. I'm disappointed, I had higher regard for your judgment than this decision shows. Legacypac (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * For goodness' sake, Legacy. It is in no way rational for you to expect that an opinion held by one or two admins is going to outweigh an opinion held by half a dozen admins or more, when looking at the same evidence. There is such a thing as being so certain in one's own convictions that one loses track of what is actually going on. (I should know.) Newimpartial (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really. When closing XfDs and RfCs, policy considerations are more important because they are the foundation of the actions.  When topic banning someone, it is all about whether the community trusts your judgement or not.  There aren't a lot a of policy considerations to weigh against.  If Editor Bob interprets your actions as disruptive, I can't look at your actions and say he is wrong, I can only judge whether his rationale is reasonable or not.  The rules for closing are exactly the same.  Closing ANI tbans and ibans are very different only because what you are considering is very different.  In this case, it was very clear what the community wanted, and there was lots of participation, and the arguments for and against the topic ban were sane and articulated clearly, plus the discussion was open for a very long time. You were topic banned by the community before I closed.  By closing, I didn't decide your fate nor choose your sanction; I just summarized what the community had already collectively decided.   Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Legacy, please take what I'm about to say as coming from someone who generally agrees with your work and sees you as a valuable contributor, ok? I think it's best to accept the TBan. Arguing with Dennis isn't going to get you anywhere and it just makes you look unreasonable. There's nothing stopping you from doing the rest of the valuable work you do in draftspace - MfD noms, CSD tagging, etc. The only thing you're banned from is moves to main. Given that there were editors in there arguing for a full ban from all draftspace / MfD type stuff, I think a promotion TBan is a pretty fair outcome. Just...focus on the rest of what you do, you'll still make a difference. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't mean to come across as arguing. I just want to understand the process and the surprising result. Obviously given Dennis's explanation of process I'll run any future ANi very differently. There is obviously nothing wrong with my move record since my moved page survival rate is very high even with enemies stalking every page I touch. Just today a couple of AfD'd moves survived without even a struggle. I can think of at least three ways to get pages promoted that need promoted. Requested Moves, commenting and resubmitting in AFCH, and posting requests on Dennis's talk page so he can verify my judgment is sound in seperating the gems from the crap. Legacypac (talk) 23:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one you have to convince. As a matter of fact, I would probably avoid any future consideration unless I had strong feelings about it.  Right now, I don't have any feelings about it.  Keeping a record is a good idea, and in 6 month you can point to that.  They didn't say anything about using WP:RM and a few did say using AFC for new articles.  My opinion as closer is that using WP:RM is acceptable, their main concern was you not making the moves unilaterally.  And I didn't take any of it personally, nor did I think any of your questions were unreasonable.  I know it is frustrating, that is why I tried to be patient and explain it as best as I could.  My job as closer is to make sure you understand now, so you don't run into trouble later.  If by some chance you screw and move something out of habit, be smart enough to revert and report yourself to ANI with an apology.  Make it clear you have every intention of following the restrictions. Keep it short and simple. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 00:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * One other clarification. No one, including you, mentioned redirects. I presume there is no issue with me creating redirects in mainspace as I deem useful? I'll also note I have specifically not sought to have my page creations auto patrolled as I welcome the efforts of NPP on pages I create or handle. Legacypac (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Since it wasn't mentioned, I don't see a bar to creating them. It isn't a move.  Obviously I suggest caution, as everything you do will be examined when it comes time to consider repealing your topic ban.  Doing too much of any one thing tends to make it come under closer scrutiny.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 00:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Legacypac: some of your actions (particular page moves) in the past have been problematic and you did not hide the fact that you were deliberately moving inappropirate drafts into mainspace. It is likely that many participants in the recent discussion remember those events and understandably took them into account when voting on the topic ban.

If you have mended your ways (and all the recent evidence seems to point this way) then it is obviously unfair that you have been restricted in this way, and it would be right to review this restriction in a few months.

Going forward you can use the RM process, or if you maintain a list of pages which you believe are suitable to move then I'm sure some other editors (TPSs?) would be happy to review these and make the move for you. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank-you for your kind words Martin User:MSGJ Absolutely I promoted several test cases last year that some people insisted had to be kept at all cost - I did it openly as way to push the community to face some screwy interpretation of deletion policy. Given that we get hundreds of unsuitable pages posted into mainspace every day, I hardly think that adding a couple more pieces of junk broke Wikipedia, especially since I was monitoring them to ensure they were deleted long before being indexed. At this point you don't even have to make 10 edits or be here 4 days to put crap in mainspace which makes it pretty ironic that an editor with 10 years experience and 30,000 edits would be Tbanned from doing something any 10 year old troll or paid spammer is free to do.


 * Feel free to watchlist this page User:Legacypac/Promotions which I created to track my promotions to date and provide easier review of my work. I've been planning to clean up some of the 400+ G13 Postponed drafts and will post all pages I recommend for promotion during the next 6 months on this page. That will further establish a verifiable track record of positive contributions. The only joy in sorting out junk is finding the occasional interesting gem of a page to promote. Legacypac (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Request on 13:52:11, 19 June 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Bksahoo
In-spite of business websites. I have added two independent sources like

http://www.irdindia.in/journal_ijrdmr/pdf/vol5_iss1/11.pdf http://www.oneglobeforum.com/speaker/2015/dr-b-k-sahoo-one-globe-2015-speaker and Trusted source like TOI, where the name is mention Mr. B.K Sahoo(Chairman) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhubaneswar/Achievers-felicitated-by-TOI-in-Bhubaneswar/articleshow/47663524.cms

Bksahoo (talk) 13:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

AfC notification
Hi there,

There were a few errors in the way the page was created last time. One was that I am a newbie and hadn't properly considered the style and tone of the text before publishing and had copied across some text to edit live, not realising it was published. The text has been thoroughly written now to be within the guidelines of wiki. I also did not declare a COI at the time. Thanks LJBazza (talk) 05:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Madrone
I'll undelete it. Your comment about "they charted" made me start wondering, and I discovered WP:BAND and its comment about the band likely being notable if it had a song that charted. Since that's apparently the case here, I can't in good faith keep it undeleted; it seems an absurdly low bar for notability, but the bar's unambiguous. Nyttend (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm not saying the bar is correct, but that's it and that's why I passed it to mainspace in the first place. Legacypac (talk) 21:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on Gu Yi
Thanks for your comments and your encouragement on my translated article Draft:Gu Yi. However, another article I translated Tony Chang seems is to be deleted. I'm not sure why this happens, so would you mind to have a look at that article? Thanks very much.--Richard Yee (talk) 10:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ethelbert (whale) has been accepted
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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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ANI notification
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Thanks, — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 23:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * And the WP:HOUNDING continues. I hope it backfires, Godsy. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 00:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

A community interaction ban has been imposed on you
Hello Legacypac, following a community discussion at WP:ANI, a 2-way interaction ban between yourself and User:Godsy is now in place. Please read the closure notes. Violations of this ban may be enforced with blocks. Regards, — xaosflux  Talk 04:11, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank-you very much User:Xaosflux Happy Canada Day!  Legacypac (talk) 04:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, please note: the standard exception allowing for Engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolution, that is, addressing a legitimate concern about the ban itself in an appropriate forum. means this iban has no impact upon the case filing that is open with ArbCom right now and any "work papers/sandboxes" directly related. — xaosflux  Talk 04:25, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: BizWest Media has been accepted
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16:11:06, 2 July 2017 review of submission by Cmh02010
Hi Legacypac, I don't understand your comment. Why would I remove links from the body of the article? Linking allows the reader to explore names and events beyond the article in question, and further provides verification on the topic. I have also provided inline citations throughout the article. Can you clarify? Thanks!

Cmh02010 (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * copied and responded to at their talkpage. Legacypac (talk) 18:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)