User talk:LegalProceedingshavebegun

November 2013
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. Spartaz Humbug! 18:28, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Add block evasion to the reasons, of course. ES  &#38;L  18:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Initial stages of legal procceding
We are at the planning stages of our legal proceedings against the response Wikipedia takes against copyright infringement, which is limited to only a talk page warning. This is our primary legal objective, to ensure that copyright violators are dealt with accordingly - a simple block of text just doesn't do it. This type of warning may be acceptable in a private environment (perhaps for common 'copy, paste' in homework), but this is by means acceptable in the sixth largest website, worldwide.

Our secondary legal objective is to ensure that the kinds of 'edits' do not occur, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=possible+libel+or+vandalism Yes, many of these are taken down quite quickly, but the fact remains clear - they once existed and may have defamed a person. Even if this was for a minute, 300 visitors may have come on that minute (and 20 may have believed the defamation). This simply isn't acceptable, I don't care if 'every-one can edit', this is your website and you need to have responsibility for it!

Right now, we are acquiring evidence and trying to decide whether or not to go ahead with legal action.LegalProceedingshavebegun (talk) 18:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

In response to what was said in the talk page on my first username, I never said wikipedia was 'illegal', I simply said that it needs to deal with copyright violations and defamatory comments in a more serious way. Perhaps by publicizing their IPs or actually saying to them in their talk page that their actions are against the law. That is what our legal proceedings will focus on, the fact that these crimes are punished by warnings that are a block of text (yes, I have seen in others talk pages how you warn people who violate copyright - simply a block of text). This is not acceptable in my opinion.LegalProceedingshavebegun (talk) 18:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * There are several issues here. Firstly, Wikipedia has in place pretty thorough venues to address copyright violations. YouTube, for example, also doesn't publicize the IPs of users who upload content in violation of copyright (unless required by a court order).
 * However, engaging in legal proceedings against Wikipedia itself (more precisely, the Wikimedia Foundation) or against its editors would create a conflict of interest; that alone justifies blocking you from editing until the legal issues are resolved. Furthermore, threatening legal action creates a chilling effect and may discourage other editors. For that reason threats of legal action are also discouraged and lead to blocks until the legal threat has been resolved or retracted.
 * If you think our stance towards copyright violations is insufficient, there are several ways to deal with that. For example, you could have proposed specific changes to our copyright warning templates at the respective templates' talk pages, such as Template talk:Uw-copyvio. Or you could have contacted the Wikimedia Foundation via the appropriate channels; see Copyright violations (in fact you can still do so).
 * As an aside, I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder whether you'd have standing for legal proceedings in the first place unless your or your clients' copyrights were violated. Huon (talk) 19:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)