User talk:Legeres

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Simutronics
A large proportion of your edits are connected with the company and its products. Do you have some special connection with it? Perhaps it would be better to take a look at some articles that aren't Simutronics-related? A.K.Nole (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Long term player, I'm able to keep neutrality that's all that matters. Most of the info is common knowledge of the forums see this debate about the forums: Sources that are acceptable
 * Sometimes i wish others could see my watchlist, it's a lot more then just simu products, including books, movies, nanotechnology, virtual reality, cybernetics, among other things. Just because i don't constantly edit things, doesn't mean i won't if the situation warrants it, or i run across some info about it.
 * I'd say based on most of the rules I've read the goal of wikipedia overall is to improve the knowledge, adding references were needed or need reference tags, rather then playing hack and slash and removing everything. -- Legeres (talk) 00:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be "common knowledge" among a small group but that doesn't, on its own, make it suitable for Wikipedia. At the risk of boring by repeating chunks of policy &mdash; WP:V: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.  The debate on forums that you refer explains that they are not in general reliable sources.  If the material is both verifiable and notable it will be referred to in a suitably reliable secondary source sooner or later.  As for the "slash and burn", let me quote Jimbo Wales:

I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.
 * I think that says it all. A.K.Nole (talk) 06:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think the quote applies since it has a source, even if only primary. It isn't heard it on the grapevine info, it is info that is in plain view.  I'll look for a third-party source regardless though in an attempt to preserve  valuable information, even if it is imperfect.-- Legeres (talk)(March 21, 2009)

There are other places in the rules that say primary sources are allowed on certain cases, provided common sense is used. "Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are more suitable on any given occasion is a matter of common sense and good editorial judgment, and should be discussed on article talk pages." from WP:NOR and "Primary sources, on the other hand, are often difficult to use appropriately. While they can be reliable in many situations, they must be used with caution in order to avoid original research." from WP:RS. I'm having no luck with third-party sources, I didn't really expect to, doesn't seem like something that would be covered since it deals with policies and practices. If you still don't agree go ahead and put it on a countdown to delete(give it about month or two to find a reliable third party source on the talk:simutronics page, instead of just deleting it right off, to give others a chance of finding something) -- Legeres (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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No problem - I just thought your disclaimer might be best separated from the rest of the page. I know some people get annoyed at others editing/tidying their userpages, but everything's undoable, and I've learnt a few snippets of wikicode from tweaks others have made to mine. pablo hablo. 05:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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