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Hi, thanks for email. Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~. Please add your messages to the bottom of the talk page, or they may be overlooked. I deleted your article because
 * it did not provide adequate independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines.  Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation, social media and other sites that can be self-edited (eg YouTube, Wikipedia), blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the organisation claims or interviewing its management. You gave some references, but many were not independent third-party sources as defined above
 * More to the point, you didn't really give us any facts to show notability. After reading the article, I don't know where it's headquartered, who runs it, how many employees it has, how it's financed or what it spends. To show notability you need hard verifiable facts rather than promotional claims.
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: Students from across the world, irrespective of nationality, are afforded the opportunity... This expertise in turn serves as a vital asset... enriching students’ research, writing, public speaking, and diplomacy skills. and so on through to EAD Society is proud to have an alumni network that consists of over 1000 participants worldwide who use their education and experiences to make a difference in the world.&mdash; as the deletion nominator said, nothing like an encyclopaedia article.
 * the article was created in a single edit without any wikilinks, and looks as if was copied from an unknown and possibly copyrighted source. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.
 * Your edits indicate that you have an obvious conflict of interest when it comes to editing articles about this subject. If, after reading the information about notability linked above, you still believe that your organisation is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.
 * If you work directly or indirectly for the organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. Regardless, if you are paid directly or indirectly by the EAD, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer or affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:    . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

We have a slight problem in that the article was deleted from draft space, which is normally appropriate for restored text. I'm prepared to temporarily restore to a user subpage, but I first require you to comment on the possible copyright issue, and to make any COI declaration. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:23, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Euro Atlantic Diplomacy Society- Page Deletion
Hi, Thank you for your feedback. I have read your comments and I would like to stress a few things.

I do not work for the Euro Atlantic Diplomacy Society and I am not paid by the organization to do any writing, including this article. I am a student who was fortunate to participate in one of their events- Model NATO Youth Summit, an event that is exclusively part of the EAD's events- and wanted to write an article explaining what this organization does in order to benefit students, like me, interested in enhancing their knowledge of international affairs. I nevertheless understand that some of the wording may sound 'promotional' and needs to be reworked to reflect a more 'neutral' tone. With regards to citations, aside from the Youtube/Wikipedia references, I directly cited the EAD's wesbite (a credible website) and other reputable sources, such as NATO's web page. Therefore, I am not sure what kinds of references you are looking for if these are deemed unacceptable and I can assure you there is absolutely no copyright infringement. I have carefully checked that the information I researched does not overlap with any other source's online and seeing as all of these events are the direct brainchild of the EAD Society, I am confused as to why claims against copyright infringement are being raised. In addition, all cited links work properly.

Moreover, due to the amount of students this organization has helped (over 1000 as previously stated), I firmly believe this organization has a place in the Wikipedia sphere and I would like to complete any and all necessary edits for this to take effect.

In your opinion, should I make a formal request to have the organization vetted according to Wikipedia guidelines? If all of this information strictly belongs to the organization, how would I make the information available for public domain?

If possible, I would like to have back my original draft in order to edit and improve the text to ensure it is in line with Wikipedia's guidelines, for instance written in a more 'neutral' tone. I realize this may be a back-and-forth process as I am still getting my bearings so I appreciate your understanding and patience as I maneuver through the process. Is it possible/recommended I send subsequent drafts to you for review? Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best, Legrandc (talk) 21:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reassurances with regard to COI and copyright. Note that it's only by chance I returned to this page. If you want me to see a message, you can either post on my talk page, or you can leave a message on this page, and I will know you have done so if you start it with my user name, User:Jimfbleak and sign it with four tildes ~ when you post it.
 * I asked the copyright question because you gave no links at all to other articles, such as Anders Fogh Rasmussen or NATO, which is a characteristic of copy-and-paste. I'm happy to accept your reply on that point, especially as I couldn't find your text elsewhere!
 * The EAD website is fine as a source of hard facts, such as funding, number of employees and such. It's not acceptable for opinions such as EAD Society is proud to have an alumni network.... Their website also seems astonishingly obscure about who runs it, funding and the like, so you may have to find other sources for the facts. Their "Team" tab actually is just a call for interns!
 * NATO is fine as a source of facts, but if they are associated with EAD, the same reservations apply with regard to objectivity
 * The deletion nominator and I both felt that the article was light on verifiable facts about the organisation, even down to where it is based and who runs it, and too heavy on uncritical opinions, making it unencyclopaedic. I'll restore the text here shortly for you to improve. If you want me to have look when you think it's ready, let me know. Note that the article is not immune fom deletion even in the sandbox, so don't leave it too long Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Euro Atlantic Diplomacy Society (July 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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LaMona (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Euro Atlantic Diplomacy Society


Hello, Legrandc. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Euro Atlantic Diplomacy Society".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 (talk) 05:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)