User talk:LehCatsTrebron

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Norbert Stachel
I'm an established professional musician that has worked with many extremely famous artists during my career as what is referred to as a "sideman" in the music business. I'm looking for writers to write articles about me (Norbert Stachel), my flutist wife Karen Stachel, and our music group LehCats.

I can't deal with the aggravation of trying to figure out how to write articles myself, and it goes against Wikipedia guidelines anyway. Please Help Me!!!

LehCats (talk) 00:51, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Help me!
Norbert Stachel

I'm an established professional musician that has worked with many extremely famous artists during my career as what is referred to as a "sideman" in the music business. I'm looking for writers to write articles about me (Norbert Stachel), my flutist wife Karen Stachel, and our music group LehCats.


 * http://norbertstachel.com
 * http://www.allmusic.com/artist/norbert-stachel-mn0001311378/credits
 * http://lehcats.com/home
 * https://twitter.com/nstachel
 * https://https://www.facebook.com/LehCatsMusic/
 * https://https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4yTUAd7OiWmlqskZmzJO-49GjTcmX_9d

I can't deal with the aggravation of trying to figure out how to write articles myself, and it goes against Wikipedia guidelines anyway. Please Help Me!!!

LehCats (talk) 00:51, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

LehCats (talk) 00:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If you feel that you meet the Golden Rule, you should use the Requested Articles page. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Added article creation request (more details here). You could add pages for other musicians as an exercise to make the process easier (it is truly hard to write about oneself as a first article). --Gryllida (talk) 01:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Norbert Stachel (November 15)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Norbert Stachel and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 03:09, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Username concern - imminent blocking of this account
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "LehCats", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it represents a group, as you disclosed on Teahouse. An account on Wikipedia must represent only you as an individual. Musical groups or any other organization are prohibited from operating a Wikipedia account, and any individual is prohibited from sharing an account with anyone else. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing this form, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Please clarify if this account and User:Norbert Stachel are the same person. If they are, please decide which one you want to use. You can't have multiple accounts here except in special circumstances. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Editing while logged out
Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits to Norbert Stachel while logged out. Making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow the use of both an account and an IP address by the same person in the same setting. Note that the abusive use of multiple accounts or evasion of a blockage may result to you to have been blocked from editing Wikipedia. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Conflict of interest editing
Hello, LehCatsTrebron. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Norbert Stachel, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:29, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you MarchJuly for trying to help out the situation with the Norbert Stachel wiki article. A user named Gnulander submitted the article to the main page, and NOT I. User:Gnuelander is NOT MY account. If some person other than myself like Gnulander submitted the article about Norbert Stachel to the main page, how does that make it a conflict of interest? I did make edits from my computer for corrections and additional missing content without logging in after User:Gnulander submitted the article to the main page. I didn't know that I was committing a mortal Wikipedia sin by editing without logging in! Why does Wikipedia allow the public to make edits without logging in if you're not supposed to anyway?! I'm a musician, not a computer expert. I filled out the license for the use of File:Norbert Stachel.jpg and emailed to permissions-commons per your suggestion. Please tell me if there is anything I can do on my end to fix things, or if you can help further in making any corrections. Thanks! Norbert Stachel 22:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi LehCatsTrebron. Let me see if I can clarify things a little.
 * Wikipedia defines a conflict of interest (COI) as "contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships". Since you have identified yourself as Norbert Stachel, then you have a clear COI when it comes to anything written about you on Wikipedia, regardless of whether the relevant article was created by you. Even if you did not identify yourself as such, your username can easily be seem as an apparent COI because of your (= Stachel's) association with LehCats. COI editing is not something expressly prohibited by Wikipedia, but it it is something that the Wikipedia community does highly discourage because COI editors tend to find it difficult to edit according to Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines. Proper COI editing is not impossible to do; it's just very hard to do and can often lead to more serious issues if care is not taken. That is why the Wikipedia community has developed various information such as Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide that it encourages COI editors to follow so as to avoid any serious problems. I suggest you take a look at that guide and familiarize yourself with the expectations placed upon COI editors by the Wikipedia community. It's not mandatory that you follow the guide, but doing so will likely help you avoid problems with other editors. For what it's worth, the simple fact that an editor has a COI is not typically a reason for blocking an account and that will only happen when the COI editor starts to do other things which are considered disruptive.
 * In addition to COI editing, occasionally forgetting to login and editing from an IP account is also something not considered a blockable offense per se, but any use inappropriate use of multiple accounts is. Lots of editors forget their passwords or accidentally log themselves out while, etc. and the Wikipedia community understands these things happen. Unlike a registered account, however, an IP address is clearly visible to anyone anywhere in the world, and the general location of the IP address can be traced online. Some people place a high value on their privacy and may not realize that their actual location may therefore be figured out when they edit using an IP. The template I added was just meant to let you know about this kind of thing. If this is not something that worries you, then no big deal. Just remember that Wikipedia basically only allows "one account per editor" except under certain conditions. Logging in to your registered account will not only attribute all of your contributions to that particular account, it will also help avoid any misunderstandings with other editors.
 * As for your Commons uploads, Commons and Wikipedia are best thought of as completely separate sites even though they are both run by the Wikimedia Foundation. There is a lot of overlap between the two, but there are some important differences as well. So, it's best to try and discuss Commons matters on Commons and Wikipedia matters on Wikipedia. If you sent in the necessary email to Commons:OTRS, then all you need to do is simply wait for the process to run it's course.
 * Finally, if you say you are not connected to the account, then I am going to assume in good faith and take you at your word. As I stated above, however, using multiple accounts in an appropriate way is not something allowed on Wikipedia. Gnulander was created at the end of November and the sole focus of the account has been to add content about you to Wikipedia. Any experienced editor looking at Special:Contributions/Gnulander would likely be just as suspicious of this account's editing history as . The very first edit made by Gnulander was to copy-and-paste a draft article from your sandbox into their sandbox. This is not only problematic per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, it's also extremely unusual for something like that to be the very first edit of a new account unless there is some kind of connection between the accounts. This kind of thing alone could easily be mistaken as sock puppetry, meat puppetry or a conflict of interest by any experienced editor. Anarchronist is a administrator and he could've blocked your account instead of simply issuing a warning. Administrators have been tasked by the Wikipedia community to try and resolve issues before they get out of hand. Administrators also have special access to certain types of information and capabilities that regular editors such as myself do not have, some of which may include the ability to compare/see certain account information, etc. which is hidden from public view. I don't think Anarchronist would have issued a warning without a good reason, but it's best to try and clear this up with him.
 * I hope I was able to answer most of your questions. If you have anymore, feel free to ask. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Block warning
I have blocked your alternative account User:Gnulander which you used to move your promotional autobiography to main article space in spite of the article being declined in a review at WP:AFC. If you attempt to use Wikipedia for self-promotion again, this account will be blocked indefinitely. You have a conflict of interest, and your contributions so far have demonstrated that you aren't capable of writing about yourself in a neutral fashion. Therefore, please don't circumvent the AFC process by moving the article to main space before it is in an state that an independent reviewer agrees is compliant with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

Rather than deleting your article outright and blocking this account for sockpuppetry and promotional editing, I have moved the article to Draft:Norbert Stachel for continued improvement and re-submission for review by an independent editor. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Addendum: Don't attempt to make any further edits on Wikipedia until you meet the disclosure requirements requested above. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:39, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Anachronist,
 * User:Gnuelander is NOT MY account. I don't appreciate your accusations. :-(( I DID NOT move any articles or make alternative accounts to "self promote" myself. Yes, I did make edits from my computer for corrections and additional missing content without logging in after User:Gnulander submitted the article the the main page. I didn't know that I was committing a mortal Wikipedia sin by editing without logging in! Why does Wikipedia allow the public to make edits without logging in if you're not supposed to anyway?! I'm a musician, and I don't really understand all of your nit-picky disclosure limitations. I'm not a Russian hacker or a computer geek, I'm just a musician! How am I supposed to get out of Wikipedia jail and meet the disclosure requirements without making edits anyway?
 * Norbert Stachel 22:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the explanation. Because Gnulander's only edits were in behalf of Norbert Stachel, as are yours, it seemed obvious that the accounts belonged to the same person, and the Gnulander account was created for the sole purpose of moving an article from draft space to main space in spite of it being declined by a reviewer. There is no problem with editing without logging in, and I made no mention of that in my previous comment. You are free to improve the draft article whether logged in or not. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi LehCatsTrebron. Could you please verify whether this post by Gnulander is an accurate assessment of things? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes Marchjuly, what Gnulander says is accurate. I originally reached out to the Wikipedia community and the tearoom back in November with my interest in finding a writer to write a Norbert Stachel article. I grew frustrated after waiting for more than one month for a response from a prospective writer. I then ran this by a person that I know who is better at technical computer based things than I, and he agreed to join Wikipedia and give it a go. I'm really not all that interested in myself being a Wikipedia writer per say, and I never meant to break any rules either. I'm a musician and composer/arranger, and talent purchasers in the music business often look to sources like Wikipedia to acknowledge the legitimacy and validity of artists that they are considering to have perform at their venues and events.

Norbert Stachel Norbert Stachel 04:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a promotion or publicity platform. I have removed your advertisement about your upcoming event from your comment above. As for the article about you, if you meet any of the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO, then you merit an article here, but your article cannot exist just for the purpose of establishing legitimacy to talent purchasers. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Anachronist, as a friendly gesture I invited you and Marchjuly to a great event my wife and I are doing at a great music venue in the Bay Area where Wikipedia is based out of. If you aren't interested in that you simply just don't need to come to it. Please don't accuse me of using your platform to advertise myself. There are much better suited platforms better suited for this, including the radio interviews that we will be doing on KCSM & KPOO. Have a good one.

Norbert Stachel 07:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)