User talk:Leitmanp/Archive 2

Your edit on The Index (skyscraper)
Section headers should generally not be capitalized in the same way a regular title should (as you did here). See the Manual of Style's advice about section headers: "Capitalize the first letter of the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest lower case". I hope you don't mind if I change it back; if you have any other questions, feel free to contact me on my user talk page. Thank you, Grace notes T § 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way, thank you for your work on Dubai-related articles (especially architecture). You've done a lot of work; great job :) Grace notes T § 00:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Camels
Hi Leitmanp,

I've had a bit of a look at the camel pictures you referenced. I have added one into the main camel article amongst a small group of other camel pictures. I have put the second one the dromedary article - to do so I split the 'anatomy and reproduction' section, and made a new 'reproduction' section with this photo; this section is very brief, but perhaps can be expanded. Hopefully they will still be there when you check.

I was also wondering about the origin of these photos. It says the author is Imre Solt, they were uploaded by LoverOfDubai, but as you said on my talk page you added them to the article. Just wondering about the connection there. Cheers, --jjron 08:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a Million
Cheers mate for helping me fix up my article on Dubai Silicon Oasis Most appreciated. 2 thumps up :)

Skankyyoda 19:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Concrete pouring on Burj Dubai
I noticed you removed the timeline entry for Oct 24. I added it because it seemed obvious to me that they had reached the top of the concrete structure. It says later in the article that "...the top of the tower, from the 156th floor onward or from 585.7 m (1,922 ft) to the top, will be a steel frame...". I'm not suggesting all the concrete construction is complete, just that the concrete pouring has reached as high as it is going to get on this project - and we have been tracking the ongoing changes in concrete pouring height records. Astronaut 08:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

 * No, there is no requirement for being a member of WikiProject Skyscrapers, so just sign up! Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 23:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
-- Welcome and thanks for joining! Cheers, Rai - me  03:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Dubai Airport
If whetever i did on the dubai airport page is a copyvio then you should check the changi AIRPORT page, does taht mean it's all a copyvio to.≈ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammed Hasanie (talk) 20:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:List of tallest buildings in Dubai
Greetings, Leitmanp! I think it is great that you have decided to work on the Dubai tallest building list; it would be great if WP:SKYSCRAPER sees an FL outside of the United States and Britain. There is not a "waiting list", so as to speak, but there is currently a Featured Topic Drive going on at WP:SKYSCRAPER/FTD which aims to bring the 20 largest tallest building lists in the United States to FL-status to then strive for featured topic status. This drive is basically where Hydrogen Iodide and I have been spending much of our Wikipedia time (outside of the creation of the WikiProject), specifically in formatting each United States list to prepare for FL-nomination. But there is not a waiting list, as any user can feel free to upgrade any list to a FLC at any time. I would be glad to assist in any issues you have, and would be very happy at the prospect to make the Dubai list the next FLC for the Project.

The main issues I see with the page are the countless redlinks for almost all of the under construction buildings; creating new articles to make all wikilinks blue for building lists can be very time-consuming, but it has to be done. In order for a list to meet the "complete" criteria of FLs, all links need to have articles. Besides that, a common minimum height needs to be set for the list (150 m seems fair), the on hold section should be removed, and each entry needs to include a SkyscraperPage.com ref. Like I said, this is a lot of work, and I would be happy to help. I could use a break from U.S. lists ;-) Cheers, Rai - me  00:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Notability issues are usually met as long as an infobox is included, all relevenat info (height, # of floors, future city rank, architect, developer) is added, an image is transcluded (very easy to find on developers' sites, just make sure to add an appropriate fair use rationale and a promotional copyright tag), links to the main building list page are provided, references and/or external links are provided, and all extra informative tidbits are included that are found on Emporis or the developer's website. This mostly applies to under construction buildings, which make up the majority of the list anyway. You can see Museum Tower (Dallas) and Victory Tower as two pages I created to allow the Dallas list to be complete, and Russia Wharf and 101 Clarendon Street for the Boston list. If all these are included, buildings should meet notability requirements. Just let me know if you have any issues with this.


 * The On-hold section should be merged into the other three sections. For example, the Infinity Tower is still under construction; it should therefore be merged into the under construction section with a note stating that it is on-hold.


 * SkyscraperPage.com references are good to go along with Emporis (certainly not in place of it) to provide extra reinforcement for statistics requrining citations per WP:WHEN. All other building lists (except the London list, which is almost completely devoid of references...) use both Emporis and SkyscraperPage, so it seems to be a good act to follow. Do not worry; I know this is time consuming, and I will add all of the SkyscraperPage refs over the next few days. Cheers, Rai - me  01:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I don't think it is a good idea to add the Dubai list to the FTD, at it is not a city in the United States and is unfortunately therefore excluded from the featured topic's scope. Cheers, Rai - me  01:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding skyscraper notability issues, you might want to take a look at this. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 02:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I see that another project member has re-created a deleted article. However, that article now has a speedy delete tag. Perhaps we should explain to the editor that added the tag that skyscraper articles are considered notable if Emporis, SkyscraperPage, etc. take note of the building and there is an infobox, image, etc. In the future, we should leave a comment on the talk page (or hidden comment on the article) saying that this article is necessary for Wikiproject Skyscrapers and for the city building list (all completed buildings must have articles if the building list is going to be an FL). Any comments? Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 05:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We also should explain that buildings do not qualify for speedy deletion; this fact was well-established with one of the buildings in San Francisco. If it is not a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, it doesn't meet criteria. However, I have a feeling many editors will take issue with this. But I agree, a (hidden) comment would be wise. Rai - me  05:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably redundant, but just to let you know, I've had an editor call the collection of skyscraper articles in San Francisco (after placing a speedy delete tag) as a random collection of information and a directory. I am still wondering how these articles could be that unencyclopedic. Comments? Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 05:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that Four Points by Sheraton is up for deletion review. Please participate in the discussion. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 07:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

That discussion is closed, see this. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 00:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Question
Do you think we should include a section called "Arabic name" in the list of tallest buildings in Dubai? It would be similar to "Chinese name" in List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong. Initially I thought that was a good idea, but it turns out, many of those skyscraper articles don't have Arabic names listed. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 02:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Another question: I'm thinking of starting up another tallest buildings lists in the UAE and the Middle East in general (like Doha, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait); do you think you would be able to contribute to those lists and articles as well? (Note: This is totally voluntary / it's not a requirement). Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide  (HI!) 03:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Sorry to hear that, well you could still contribute at someplace else like the library, friend's house, etc. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 08:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I am also sorry to hear that. Good luck getting your internet working again, and I am looking forward to working with you again when you come back. Cheers, Rai - me  02:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, great to see you back. Well one thing that could be done with the Dubai list is to add SkyscraperPage references for each existing entry if and only if a diagram exists. (Entries on SkyscraperPage without a diagram or rendering are only used if Emporis does not have the particular entry listed).

Second, obviously, a member of the WikiProject created articles for many of the buildings listed under List of tallest buildings in Dubai. However, he seems to be running intro trouble with an admin and the deletion team, as evidenced by the Afd posts on the Skyscraper Project talk page. What should we do? Talk to him about notability? Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 04:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for being unclear, I meant User:OOODDD. He didn't respond nor act when I asked him to join the Afd discussion on Four Points by Sheraton (Dubai). As for these two articles up for deletion, I think Raime told me that creating articles for everything listed on a tallest buildings list was not necessary anymore. So, this time I'm not as inclined as to keeping the article. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 06:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Here, take a look at this discussion. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 06:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Great job on adding sources to the Dubai list. However, this list was built using only content from Emporis's database, which is not comprehensive. This means that there are more building projects in Dubai that are not listed in the Wiki building list. Just take a look at these lists on SkyscraperPage.com. There are some missing projects listed there. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 23:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is my major concern with the list now. It appears that several buildings are not included, probably because heights were not found. I am not sure what to do in this situation, but leaving the buildings off completely could cause the list to fail WP:WIAFL criterion #1b - comprehensiveness. Rai - me  03:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Concorde Tower
OK now. Bearian (talk) 15:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Congratulations
Thank you very much, Leitmanp! And, now that the Detroit list has passed, the next list will be Dubai's. :-) Great job on expanding that list over the past few weeks; it looks terrific, and almost all buildings have articles. I'd say it may be ready for FLC by tomorrow, even. And I'll try to address the concerns you've listed on the list's talk page now. Cheers, Rai - me  16:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Question
Leitmanp, since you obviously know much more about Dubai's skyline than I do, I was hoping to ask you a question. Do you think it would be appropriate to set a higher limit for the Dubai building list, perhaps 170 m or 180 m? The list seems to be getting extremely long, particularly in the U/C section, and there are not even that many notes for building entries yet. I am asking because I would definitely classify Dubai as a very large skyline, along the lines of only two other cities, New York and Hong Kong. And, both of those city lists have higher limits of 600 ft and 180 m, respectively. Do you think it would be wise to do the same for Dubai? Cheers, Rai - me  20:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how plausible it would be to create a "Part 2", but we could create a general template to place at the end of all Dubai skyscraper articles. See Template:Seattle skyscrapers or Template:Chicago skyscrapers. I personally think that this would a good idea, as it promotes accessibility between articles and would mean that even articles not on the list are mentioned. Cheers, Rai - me  22:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Burj Al Alam
Thank you again! SkyscraperPage also lists the building on hold, so two sources is enough to override Emporis. It was probably a fairly recent development; however, I think that we should still list it as on hold, as that it what the sources clearly state. If it is U/C again, then I am sure the SkyscraperPage entry and SkyscraperCity forum will be updates soon. Cheers, Rai - me  21:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Another question
Leitmanp, since you are a Dubai expert, I was wondering if you could identify the location that the image Image:061222-N-5330L-038.jpg was taken from (I am assuming that it is from one of Dubai's ports, but I could easily be wrong - maybe it is just from the Persian Gulf). I have added the image to the Dubai buildings page, as many building lists already have these wide skyline views. The information about which port (or other location) it was taken from would be interesting to add in the image caption. Thanks, Rai - me  02:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adjusting the caption. I think that the new information really adds to the image. Cheers, Rai - me  13:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Dubai buildings
An eternal Thanks for acknowledging all my hard work on all the buildings articles to the list of tallest buildings in Dubai. If you would like to help me, I feel the building articles need images and maybe maps of location would improve the quality of the articles. Again, you really lightened my day by your recognition. --OOODDD (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion
I think it would be beneficial to start an image gallery in a new user subpage to reduce the number of pictures and the size of the galleries on the Dubai building articles. Images that are extra and/or don't show significant progress on a building project (e.g. Pictures that were taken a day apart of a U/C building) should go in the user subpage. Images that appear in the article gallery should be spaced at least a month apart and/or show significant progress on a building project. However, the physical size of the image gallery shouldn't exceed the size of the text describing the project. Any comments? Cheers. Trance addict 00:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * After looking through the articles, it seems like the Rose Tower article still has too many images. I think three images of the construction progress and one close up shot of the spire is enough for the article. Ten total pictures of the spire and the building construction is a bit too much. Anyway, the Dubai building list passed Fl-review, so here's a barnstar and high five....



Cheers. Trance addict 19:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's probably sufficient for the Rose Tower article. Cheers. Trance addict  19:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments and a Barnstar
Leitmanp, I would like to apologize for being almost completely absent over the past week. I have been extremely busy, but now I am back and will return to editing as usual. That being said, you without a doubt deserve this:

And now, I will certainly add my opinion to the List of tallest buildings and structures in the world. And I think that you are doing a very good job trimming down image galleries; as a rule of thumb, I would say that no gallery needs more than 4 images (excluding infobox images), with maybe the exception of Burj Dubai. Have you already made/are you going to make a page to contain all images of all buildings, as Hydrogen Iodide suggested? I also think that creating Wikimedia Commons galleries for each building would be a good idea.

Now, I have a completely unrelated question. Have you ever thought of creating a WikiProject Dubai? I think that given the huge development currently taking place there, a WikiProject separate from the umbrella Arab world WikiProject is warranted. If you are interested, just let me know; I would be happy to assist in any way in its formation, though I sadly don't very much about the city outside of its buildings!

Cheers, and again, great work on the Dubai buildings list! Rai - me 21:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Deira
Thanks for the message. An entire kingdom is by far more historically significant, than a mere area within a city. Its unlikely that the small area of "Deira" within the city of Dubai had its own line of kings and numerous books dedicated to it.

Also, it was actually the status quo to have the kingdom at simply "Deira", I do believe until it was moved in July without any concensus. The kingdom of Deira has Wikipedia articles in ten different languages, while the small part of Dubai's city merely has one in English, which itself is limited to just a paragraph with little likelihood of a non-trivial full expansion on it. - Yorkshirian (talk) 03:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)