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signed,Rosguill talk 22:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Thank you for reviewing the entry. I am a new contributor, so I am not sure exactly how to proceed in addressing the feedback.

Are you saying that the entry may not qualify to be in Wikipedia when you cite WP:GNG?

Do I need to remove the Awards as they're not meeting the WP:ANYBIO standards for being notable enough?

Do you mean there are style issues, overall? Where would I find style guidelines to address this issues? Would reviewing WP:Manual_of_Style be the best action for me?

Lenards (talk) 16:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for following up on this:
 * Regarding notability (and GNG specifically), the issue right now is that as written, the sources cited in the article do not appear to meet the notability standard. However, I think it's close, and that there's likely sources somewhere out there that could push the article over the line and clearly satisfy notability guidelines. As new page patrol is a triage process, when it's this close, I (and other NPP reviewers) just place a notability tag, notify the article creator, and move on. However, in principle another, more deletionist-inclined may at some point come along and nominate the article for deletion if improvements are not made.
 * Regarding awards and WP:ANYBIO, don't delete the mentions of the awards! ANYBIO is a subject-specific notability guideline, which basically says that anyone who has received a sufficiently notable award is themselves notable. It's a subjective call, and awards run the gamut from "high school sports participation trophy" on one end to Nobel Prizes on the other end. In this case, as none of the awards listed on the page have Wikipedia articles themselves, it has not been demonstrated that they are sufficiently notable to confer automatic notability on Jeff Warren. It doesn't mean that these awards aren't worth mentioning (although there are definitely articles that do have trivial awards not worth mentioning).
 * In this case, the main copy editing issue is the Books section, which reads a little bit too much like jacket copy. Additionally, it's not necessary to include ISBN numbers in the main body sections (and you should not include external links anywhere other than a separate External links section). It's relatively minor, but you may want to revise that section, and perhaps create an External links section and put both the external links and ISBN-links there instead of where they currently are.
 * Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll do my best to answer them. signed,Rosguill talk 17:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll do my best to answer them. signed,Rosguill talk 17:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the shepherding approach!

I was aiming for tight prose that I imagine is an imitation of "jacket copy."

I won't get to evaluating more sources and such until Sunday, October 13, 2019.

Again, I appreciate the opportunity to tune and tailor the entry.

Lenards (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I removed the extra prose around each book in the Books section to address feedback about it being too much like "jacket copy."

I have also removed the Writing Career section due to the concern that the awards were not noteworthy enough.

I will look to strength the sources with more material like the Maclean's piece.

Lenards (talk) 22:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The removal of the jacket-copy type quotes is a big improvement, but I think you can actually leave in most of the awards won that were previously listed, especially if they're just included prose-style in the section about his career. Per my comments above, while I don't think that these awards are enough to singlehandedly establish Warren's notability, they seem legitimate enough to be worth mentioning in the article. signed,Rosguill talk 22:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I can do that!

Thank you

Lenards (talk) 22:57, 3 November 2019 (UTC)