User talk:Lenberzerk

Adoption
Good work. Now wipe your talkpage up to this point. Keep this section but get rid of everything else.--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs ) 17:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this correct?--Len Berzerk (talk) 17:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Good work. Now I want you to read the following policies:


 * WP:INTRO(Go through the tutorial and read the policy)
 * WP:N
 * WP:VANDAL
 * WP:COPY
 * WP:FU
 * I'll add some more later.--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs ) 17:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool i'll do that now. Thanks again.--Len Berzerk (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that Len. The admin made a mistake but we all do.:).Keep reading and learning...--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs ) 17:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay now also see:


 * WP:CSD
 * WP:DEV--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs ) 17:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:POLICY has links to the list of policies and the list of guidelines. One important guideline is WP:MOS Read everything!:)--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs ) 17:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tell me when you're done reading everything and I'll give you a little test on everything you've learned.(By the way use the WP:SANDBOX for testing)--Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 17:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I reading. But I have doctors appointment at 2:30 and it's 1:45pm in New York. I don't know where you are, but tonight i'll be back on line. How can i reach you at that time? Or do I reply to your response and wait till you hit me back on line?--Len Berzerk (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good morning Len! I hope you have finished reading all of the policies and guidelines? Have you gone through the tutorial yet?--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 15:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait post your work here first.--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 02:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I was informed by Xp54321 that I will Co-adopted you and help you out while he is away, feel free to ask me any questions and happy editing Antonio Lopez  (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to inform you,but I quit WP:ADOPT a long time ago due to various concerns raised by other users.You're no longer my adoptee and I'm not an adopter.--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 01:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

No
Per WP:COI. Absolutely not. You may not write an article about yourself. First off you need to learn Wiki-markup,then you need to learn policy and guidelines and then learn about some of Wikipedia's processes. You must give up any hope of writing an article about yourself. This is simply not allowed. And I don't plan on several warnings on my talkpage. Sorry. In addition I'll be in Las Vegas for vacation for the next three days and probably won't be around. Please just make test edits in the sandbox,read up on policy,learn wiki-markup,etc but don't do anything to get yourself or myself blocked--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 00:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I hear you. But know i'm lost cause some people wrote these bio's and stuff i'm just posting it. So i must cancel my account and have someone else post it? This is getting confusing. Well don't want to get use blocked so i'll check the rest of things out. Have a good trip. Hit me when you can.--Len Berzerk (talk) 02:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just forget about it. Don't worry so much about creating that bio. It would likely be deleted through a AFD discussion anyways. Now you need to learn the (basic) code used by Wikipedians:


 * On talkpages, when replying: put the reply under the comment you're replying, put a colon before your comment. As the thread continues keep putting more and more colons --> . You really should go through the tutorial. WP:INTRO
 * To link to another page use: <tt> Pagename </tt>
 * To put an external link: <tt> [http://url short description] </tt>
 * To link but display something else: <tt> the words you want to use </tt>
 * Go through the tutorial!--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 02:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Some more code:


 * <tt> text </tt> to bolden words or letters
 * <tt> text </tt> to italicize words or letters
 * <tt> text </tt> to italicize and bolden--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 02:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Go through the tutorial!!!--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 02:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * After the tutorial try the "random article" link on the upper left. I highly suggest you do NOT try to create any new articles. Rather clicking the "Random article" link will give you a random article. Try to see how you can improve the article and do so if you think you can. Remember WP:NPOV,WP:COI,WP:VANDAL,WP:AGF,WP:NOTE, and please don't edit war!(Where you and another editor revert each other's edits multiple times,note this does not include reverting vandalism)You will be blocked if you edit war.--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 02:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

On talk pages
When using talk pages, please make an effort to keep comments within the relevant section. To do this, scroll to your section of the conversation and use the "edit" link to the immediate right of the section header. If you are starting a new conversation, use the "new section" tab at the top of the page. Your current practice of appending comments to the end of the page makes it hard to follow your conversations as well as disrupting others, so it's not a win for anybody.

Now, as for an article about yourself, a conflict of interest doesn't strictly prohibit this, but it strongly discourages it. At a minimum, all such content you submit needs to be aggressively sourced. To take your last revision as an example, there's virtually no sourcing. The discogs.com links establish 3 albums for the discography. The channel5belize links establish Berzerk is from Belize and is a hip-hop artist. Nothing else about the article is sourced. As such, the rest of the article isn't suitable. If you want to say "When he heard the song “White Lines” he immediately began imitating the “Street DJ” and started scratching the record," then find a source. Ditto the other statements. There are also stylistic issues (the article isn't at all encyclopedic in tone), but I find these secondary to the verifiability issues.

As for feeling lost writing an article, you can simplify the requirements to the verifiability policy. Show where the information you want to include has already been published elsewhere, and the rest will follow. The majority of what Xp54321 has linked above is irrelevant to this task, though some of it may be of interest if you want to contribute to Wikipedia generally (WP:INTRO likely being the only necessary one at this stage).

If I can help clarify the verifiability thing further, let me know here -- I'll watch the page. &mdash; Lomn 03:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As an initial point of clarification, take Hurry-up offense, an article section I rewrote today. The superscript notes ("[3]" and the like) are the sources -- note that I've got 4 (#s 3-6) used multiple times across three short paragraphs.  This is distinct from linking to other encyclopedia articles, which is what you've done in your draft above -- that's good and useful for the encyclopedia reader (I've done the same, you'll note), but it doesn't establish the claims that are made.  Outside sources such as the New York Times or The Sporting News are required to do that. &mdash; Lomn 03:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I really don't think he should try to write an article at this point. He does not yet know even the most basic wiki-markup nor most of our policies and guidelines.--<font color="0070FF">Xp54321 (<font color="4CBB17">Hello! • <font color="4CBB17">Contribs ) 03:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * (===Secretary=== In Layman's terms what are the basic guidelines?


 * Im new to the codes sorry--Len Berzerk (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What can be done to this article

 Len Berzerk 

Basic guidelines
In layman's terms, you must show a link to a reliable source for information you want to include. Books and other offline materials work as well; links aren't strictly necessary, but it's a good approximation. As for "reliable", that can be roughly approximated as "written by a professional". Things you've written about yourself can't be cited, so MySpace is out. Things arbitrary people have written can't be cited, so stuff like LiveJournal blogs are out. However, something like a New York Times music blog (should one exist) would probably be fine. Your ourstage.com site... I don't know. You can ask somebody at the reliable sources noticeboard as to its suitability.

Since the ourstage.com stuff is the bulk of your biography, that brings up the second major point: copyrights. If ourstage is a reliable source, then you still can't copy that text verbatim -- it's their copyright, not yours, and you don't have permission to use it here. Instead, you'll need to rephrase it. Instead of copying "When he heard the song “White Lines” he immediately began imitating the “Street DJ” and started scratching the record." you might instead write "Berserk was inspired by "White Lines" to learn street-style scratching."

So there are your basics -- show that what you want to include has been published elsewhere by reliable sources and make sure you respect copyrights. &mdash; Lomn 16:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, I recommend you take the article as it stands now and post it at User:Lenberzerk/Article. That way you've got one place to edit the article without having to repost it in full every time you want to make a change. It also makes it easier for others to assist in its editing. &mdash; Lomn 16:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability
Oops, one major omission on my part: Wikipedia adheres strongly to notions of "notability" -- we're not a compiliation of everything; there's a certain minimum threshold for inclusion. In this case, it's the criteria listed at WP:MUSIC. Glancing through, I don't see that you meet the criteria -- albums being released on your own label is a significant strike against inclusion. Demonstrating that at least one of these criteria is met should be seen as a priority. &mdash; Lomn 16:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)