User talk:LeoFrank/Archive 21

Regarding removal of BBI-KUL Air Asia Flight
I have doubt about your edits on Bhubaneswar Airport of removing Air Asia's KUL as destination. My doubts are as follows- - The traffic between India and Malaysia has not yet opened, and is still operating under very restricted capacity of air bubbles. Except Air India Express, no other airline which used to operate between 2 countries earlier- Air India, Malaysian Airlines, Malindo Air, Air Asia, Air Asia X etc are operating between point in India to Kuala Lumpur, let alone BBI. This makes it clear that this flight (BBI-KUL) is indeed suspended due to restriction between countries and not due to any commercial/operation reason for airlines. In this case, shouldnt this flight remain added until the air services between 2 countries are opened completely. If at later stages of reopening of regular air services, this flight doesnt operate, we can remove it? Should we consider re-adding it? Sayswalk (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment In a perfect world Leo's removal was completely justified as the flight is currently not operating. However, it is true that the pandemic has disrupted air services in a weird manner, SG currently is not operating on a trunk route like BOM-HYD (according to the SG schedules) , and one can barely make out if a non operational route is terminated or simply disrupted due to the pandemic. If the community does decide to remove non-operational flights/routes/destinations from articles, I see a lot of routes/destinations being removed. Maybe we need more input on this. Until then happy editing! Bingo bro   (Chat)  14:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * You are correct @Bingobro The point is we cannot have different set of rules for different pages for flight suspended due to similar conditions. We need to reach a consensus on what to do for such flights.


 * In my opinion,
 * For Domestic flights, since there is no cap on selection of routes(there is cap on fares though), we should remove all the suspended routes and consider them suspended due to operational reasons. Even for trunk routes like BOM-HYD, we aren't sure if it will be an year or more the airline resumes.


 * However, for International destinations, we should wait for the air bubbles to finish and regular air traffic to open. This will settle 2 confusions- rather the "air bubble" flights become permanent or get terminated and if the pre-Covid flight resumes or not. It will be uncalled for to remove all the International destination for all the pages and add them all again, Wikipedia is not a directory after all. Also, we are not sure of which of routes will sustain. It might be the case that Air Asia resumes BBI-KUL in future but doesn't DEL-KUL. We cannot have pre-notion that this route is suspended due to operational reasons or air restrictions. Again, these are my personal opinions. Hope you all will agree upon it. Sayswalk (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * @Sayswalk: @Bingobro: I believe it's time to keep all articles up-to-date with only the operational airlines or routes per airline if they operate multiple routes from a given airport. There are a lot of entries routes which were regularly operated pre-pandemic and we are here anticipating that they would come back no matter what without even considering whether or not the airline would operate these routes as soon as a country opens up for international travel.
 * AFAIK, there are no scheduled international routes from India except DEL&ndhas;ORD by UA. All the other operations are currently operated under the Vande Bharath Mission which is a Air Bubble Agreement between two nations. This is probably best discussed at WT:AIRPORTS. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 15:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct Leo. My only question still remains in Why are we still "removing" those destinations we are essentially not sure of will resume or not, why are we anticipating that they have been terminated. Why cannot we add the text (suspended) or (currently suspended) for such flights. It would be the best representation for the encyclopedic content as it doesn't predict/presume anything but gives mention that it is currently suspended.

One can see such example in Islamabad Airport where destinations of Pakistan International Airlines which are unsure of as of now are marked as (suspended). Similar example is on Chennai Airport for a flight of All Nippon Airways. We should add (suspended) or (currently suspended) instead of removing them altogether Sayswalk (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , How different is suspended from terminated? How sure are you (given the crisis), these routes would somehow resume at any cost? Even if you add currently suspended, what is the guarantee these routes would start as soon as India opens its borders? We are nothing but just sitting and predicting the future like fortunetellers., what's your opinion on this? &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 16:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * One can see such example in Islamabad Airport where destinations of Pakistan International Airlines which are unsure of as of now are marked as (suspended) &mdash; please read WP:OSE, while it is mainly concerned with deletion of articles, it does apply for deletion of content as well. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 16:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * We're about a month away from the DGCA summer schedule getting published. That should clear the air about which routes to keep and which to remove. Until then however, I'm split on this though, the point Leo makes regarding suspended/terminated routes and the fact that were not sure if the routes are reopening any time soon makes me lean towards removing them. A WT:AIRPORTS talk with other users familiar with Indian airlines/airports and airports (in general) should help us reach proper consensus. Also, while were at it anyone has a few suggestions for "the international airports saga"? Bingo bro   (Chat)  04:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Airlines & Destinations - Hyderabad Airport
Hello,

I have noticed that some airlines and destinations from the table of Hyderabad's Rajiv Gandhi International Airport are either missing or has been removed. Other than that, there are also some airlines from the table that have missing destinations. One example is IndiGo. IndiGo operates to destinations such as Shirdi, Trichy, Ranchi, Raipur, Chandigarh, Bagdogra, Dubai, Doha, Damman, etc that are not present in the current table, whereas all of these routes were there in the previous tables.

I am not sure who removed these airlines and destinations since the user's name is not mentioned in the page's history, however, I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else from your team will look into this.

Thank you

--Hari.shreyas08 (talk) 13:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Major Missing Destinations - Hyderabad Airport
Hello,

British Airways still does operates flights to/from Hyderabad. As the country of India is not accepting international travel yet, the airline still operates flights 3 or 4 times a week to Hyderabad under the Air Bubule agreement between India and the UK. The airline used to operate the route daily before the pandemic and has not announced anything about the termination of the route from LHR to HYD. So I would highly appreciate you if you would add it back.

Some other international carriers such as Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong, Sri Lankan Airlines to Colombo, Scoot Airlines to Singapore, Malaysian Airlines to Kuala Lampur, Thai Airlines to Bangkok, to name a few. None of the mentioned airlines have given a statement that they will be terminating routes to Hyderabad. They just are not flying due to the restrictions by the Indian government. All these airlines used to fly to Hyderabad daily before the pandemic. There are also many, and by many, I mean A LOT of destinations missing in the domestic airlines. Some international and domestic destinations are missing from IndiGo, Go Air, AirAsia India, Alliance Air, TruJet, Air India, and Spicejet. In addition to that, the airline Vistara is completely missing from the table, which is even today operating direct daily flights to Delhi And Mumbai from Hyderabad.

I sincerely request you to look into these issues and do the necessary changes to the table to make it more realistic and accurate.

Thank You --Hari.shreyas08 (talk) 12:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Visakhapatnam Airport
Hi, would you kindly check these edits. Apart from the WP:COMMONNAME violation and location parameter changes which I can revert, I don't know whether the other contents should stay or not. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't find them relevant given they were random additions. Just reverted. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 14:52, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Visakhapatnam Edit
Hi Leo, Thanks for reviewing edit. Please let me know what all wrongs I have done so I'll try to rectify all and accordingly will not repeat again. Thanks for the advice too. Hope you're safe and doing well. Thanks and Regards, Rohit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garimellarohitkumar97 (talk • contribs) 09:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hi Rohit. I appreciate you taking this feedback in a positive manner. When you basically add any content, it needs to be sourced appropriately. The sources you use should be both verifiable and reliable. For content that do not or may not have sources, wikipedia terms them as original research. Please do take some time in reading all these links. If you need any more clarification on any topic, feel free to reach out to me on this page. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 01:10, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Move at Talk:Biligiriranga Hills
I have already posted about the move in the Talk:Biligiriranga Hills, but you still have reverted my edits without replying there. Crashed greek (talk) 07:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Posting alone does not mean there is WP:CONSENSUS. So, you need to stop your unilateral move of the page title. My message on your talk is very clear. Take this to WP:RM. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 08:32, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * When you move a page, as you did with Biligiriranga Hills, please either correct all of the redirects that pointed to the original location (Biligiri Rangana Hills) to point to the new location or leave a redirect behind so that a bot can change all of the incoming redirects to the new target location. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 17:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Your edits at Airlines and destinations lists
Hello Leo Frank. I am putting up a message here to avoid edit wars on articles. You mentioned that because the international flights are not operational (which is not true for many airlines like British Airways, Ethiopian Airlines which have been operating regular flights from/to India), they should be removed. But, ain't the destinations or airlines are removed only when an airline has announced permanent suspension of the route? FlyJet777 (talk) 05:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , BA, ET, EY, EK, LH, AF are all operating under the Air Bubble agreement between the two nations which is temporary. Such temporary mentions of these destinations is not encylopedic and violates WP:NOTTRAVEL. As such, there is no airline that is able to provide a firm date for recommencing of routes to India since scheduled international flights still remain suspended. Even if the Government of India removes restrictions, most airlines may still not be able to commence right after that since there will be a phased recommencement of destinations. So, unless all these are sorted out, I don't see why these destinations need to be listed. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 06:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I get your point. But, it can always be mentioned as temporarily suspended. If in case any airline announces that they won't be resuming the route, it can always be removed. But removing a route because of a temporary suspension (as we don't yet know whether the airline will resume the route or not), I don't think makes sense. Stating a temporary suspension in brackets might be a more appropriate way to deal with this suspension thing. FlyJet777 (talk) 08:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , But, it can always be mentioned as temporarily suspended. If in case any airline announces that they won't be resuming the route, it can always be removed. But removing a route because of a temporary suspension (as we don't yet know whether the airline will resume the route or not) --> this is exactly my concern. It clearly violates WP:BALL. When we are not sure of not just when but also if it would definitely resume a route, why add it in the first place? Why not WP:WAIT till there is official confirmation? &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 08:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just to add, the discussion you mentioned here in the ES is about a year old when the pandemic just began and airlines had just then begun suspensions or reduction of operations to their destinations. I don't see how even now this is valid considering my points above. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 18:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Reverting my edit for nonsensical reason
You seem to have reverted my edit about accidents in the 1980s on the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport page giving some nonsensical reasons about crystal balls. Kindly pay a bit more attention to what you are reverting in the future to avoid similar mistakes. Thanks! SM105 (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@SM105: If Wikipedia rules are nonsensical for you, then it's of use editing here. My concern was removing some other content and the only way of doing it was restoring an earlier version. Also, learn to be civil in your conversation with others. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 01:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

With due respect, you could easily have dropped me a note to explain the reasons for your action if such were indeed the case. That would have been the civil (and indeed the appropriate) the thing to do. It is rather hypocritical of you to play the victim considering that you were actually the transgressor. Have a nice day! SM105 (talk) 08:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Missing Destinations - Hyderabad Airport
Hello!

I understand that due to the current situation, your team had to remove all the international destinations from the airlines and destinations table. However, there are also a lot of missing destinations even from the existing domestic airlines table, IndiGo being the main. A recent article by Simply Flying shows all the destinations IndiGo operates from Hyderabad. The article can be found here. You will find an image/map showing all the destinations IndiGo has to offer from Hyderabad, under the Hyderabad has the biggest difference title. Other than IndiGo, the other airlines that are missing destinations are:

Airlines That are missing from the table and need to be added with these destinations: Vistara: Operates daily from Hyderabad to New Delhi and Mumbai. AirAsia India: New Delhi, Jaipur, Chennai, Kolkata, and Goa. GoAir: Kolkata, Goa, New Delhi, Lucknow, and Patna. Alliance Air: Kolhapur, Jagdalpur, Mysore, Shirdi, Pune, Hubli, and Nashik.

Airlines present in the table but with missing routes (missing routes provided so they can be added): TruJet: Jindal Vijaynagar, Nanded, and Belgaum. Air India: Jaipur, Dehradun, and Kolkata. SpiceJet: Goa, Tirupati, Jharsugda, Pune, Belgaum, Patna, and Rajkot.

All the above-mentioned destinations for the airlines were found out with the help of https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/hyd sources. I request you to kindly look into this and add the destinations to the table whenever possible.

Thank you! --Hari.shreyas08 (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Flightradar24 is not a reliable source. WIkipedia does not care if there is a big difference wrt an airline or not for an airport. If you have verifiable, reliable and secondary sources, you can add the missing domestic destinations yourself. International have been removed since none of them have scheduled operations in India and all flights are operated under the Air Bubble agreement. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 09:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

RE: Visakhapatnam Airport
Dude, your last edit of Visakhapatnam Airport doesn't even have a citation of source for Nagpur flights nor does it even have a hyperlink. I have cited all my additions. CAPA is an internationally recognized source. Just because you have thousands of edits does not qualify you to be a bully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlphaNex-787-Melbourne (talk • contribs) 08:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Learn to be WP:CIVIL and you don't WP:OWN the article to ask me not to edit. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 08:56, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , If you do not know how verifiability works, then editing here is not for you. You still don't seem to get the point. You did not bother to cite references for Air India's destinations that you added yourself. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 09:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Rajiv gandhi international airport Incorrect destinations
Hi,

I find the destination data is totally inaccurate and creates confusion to traveller like me. Please spare sometime on hyderabad.aero (Airport official website) before updating this article.

i don't think any other reference is better than Airport website's live flight information.

https://www.hyderabad.aero/flight-information.aspx

Example:

British airways resumed it service in September 2020 after Covid lockdown. But its missing from the destination list. Reference is here.

There are many resumed destinations are missing from this page and I don't recommend anyone to refer this page for most recent destination information.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mera dreams (talk • contribs) 16:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia is not a travel guide. None of these flights have scheduled operations at the moment. Even if they are operating, they are doing to under the Air Bubble agreement between India and the other country. Scheduled international operations remain suspended in India even now. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 00:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Indian aviation - Wikipedia discord server
Hello, Do you think that we should create a Discord server and the server would be related to the Indian airports team which is here on Wikipedia. On the server we can all chat freely and also talk about making improvements to styles etc. Please let me know what you think of the idea and if you think we should go forward with it. Yellow alligator (talk)

Anonymous user
Hello ! Can you please help me report this anonymous user as he/she edited an unsourced, adding some airlines in Baikal International Airport and Phnom Penh International Airport. I know it considered as WP:EW but he/she kept edited without adding any reliable sources. But truly, there's no airline operating in that destination unless in the future, but idk why he/she edited. The user is:. I also left the talk page. Hope you can blocked him/her. Thanks! Corner2002 (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Mumbai and Chennai Airports
Hello. Can you take a look at those airport articles, a user is adding international flights even though India does not have any scheduled international services right now (borders are still closed) and a lot of destinations are not even served pre-COVID. Also, there are "(Ends in July)" next to the destinations. However, a lot of these destinations are "air bubble" flights. Thanks. 97.82.30.107 (talk) 17:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Gaza Strip ping
Hi, not sure if you’re monitoring it and I’m sorry for not responding sooner, but I’ve just replied to you at Talk:Gaza Strip. You didn’t seem to respond to my “alternative” request regarding the usefulness of a weasel-wordy source. —96.8.24.95 (talk) 06:41, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Mass Removal of Sourced Content from Wikipedia
Hi. You have removed a lot of sourced content from Wikipedia, mainly from the topics related to Kerala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kambliyil (talk • contribs) 16:20, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , My main concern was removal of a link from amazon.in to a book. If there is relevant content removed along with that, that is because you clubbed them together. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 16:21, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demographics_of_Kerala&diff=prev&oldid=1028375250
 * What about the above edit? Non-Amazon edit was also removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kambliyil (talk • contribs) 16:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , As mentioned, my concern was removal of the amazon.in link during which other content would've got removed. Also, kindly sign correctly. You seem to be mis-spelling your own username. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 16:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Can I put the removed reference there without URL? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kambliyil (talk • contribs) 16:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , when you are correcting an edit, it is frowned upon to revert the edit that removed the problematic one. I see you have been repeatedly doing this. Instead, edit and re-add by correcting your edits.
 * Regarding books, some sort of link should be present, maybe Google books. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 12:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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A question
Hi, recently a few users and IP's have been constantly adding IndiGo to LKO on the IXR article. On the IndiGo schedules the flight does show up but only for August and isn't available for booking after that. A few sources like Jagran and The Telegraph (which mentioned that there's no firm date so not really a source to cite) have reported on the route's launch. So, we have a route which is on the airline's booking engine but for a month, a few local source + the Telegraph one which doesn't have a launch date and a bunch of editors adamant to add the flight without trying to discuss it (See IXR revision history and User talk: Amayranjan2004). Do we add the flight or not? Also, any thoughts on the good old "international saga"? Bingo bro  (Chat)  11:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mumbai Rajdhani Express
Hello, I felt our disagreement at Mumbai Rajdhani Express had gone on for too long and as you didn't respond to my message at Talk:Mumbai Rajdhani Express, I've raised this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. Best wishes NemesisAT (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Travel bubble flights at BOM
Regarding your recent revision of edits to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport, is there a policy regarding inclusion of air bubble flights in the list of scheduled routes for airports? As I wrote in Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport, there is no such policy in WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, so I would like to find out whether a policy exists elsewhere, or seek consensus on such a policy, before engaging in back and forth addition and removal of air bubble flights.

KrmezljavKuza (talk) 02:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

December 2021
AI did operated ADD from BLR. You can check this link out > https://www.airportia.com/flights/ai7965/bangalore/addis_ababa/. I won't add it until i get a strong source of it. But, AI did operated ADD from BLR. It is just that no one recognised and added it. Thankyou. &mdash;  Random Haste  Talk 15:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , No. AI never operated. It just was a code share flight with ET. Book a flight now from AI website, the flight is mentioned as "operated by Ethiopian Airlines". You really need to stop your WP:OR. Also, note, tracking websites, booking engines of airlines, travel websites are not reliable sources. You have been reverted on this earlier, but you still don't seem to stop citing such websites in your addtion. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 15:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I work part time at BLR Airport. Iam very close to all ups and downs going on in and out of the Airport. Just a matter of fact, Nepal Airlines filed for slots at BLR just today and planned to resume the route from 18th December. You won't find any articles etc about this. And, there was the news of India opening the borders from 15th December 2021, mark my words, as per latest guidelines which were out just today, and only to Airports and you won't find any article about this now, And the new guidelines said there will be no borders opening from 15th. You will probably find the article about this after a day or two. I just tried maintaining my home airport page and kept it vandalism free. Ask someone to Block me. Because, even if i am not blocked i won't be making any more edits at all. Random Haste (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

You played a good game, Well done. You removed all flights telling Air bubble flights. Let me explain you what actually Air bubble flights are. Air bubbles are "at a stage short of normal civil aviation activities." Those are not temporary flights. Flights were operated under short capacity. Temporary flights are known as Evacuation flights. Only those airlines can fly under Air bubble, who have been operating regular flights. You either absolutely miss understood the difference between Air bubble and evacuation flights or you just wantedly played this game. Random Haste (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi LeoFrank.....some IP is adding charter flights in Kempegowda International Airport article......just wanted to confirm that can charter flights be added in the destinations table.... waiting for your response....Thank you Adithya003 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

hi...the edits which you've reverted were done by the user random haste on Kempegowda International Airport which were marked disruptive are being restored by some ip's....they aren't listening....so i request you to review the article...thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:C001:D0A0:DC44:8751:408C:8A87 (talk) 17:09, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

the destinations table in Kempegowda International Airport is being vandalized by restoring earlier edits reverted by you...even though i revert them...the other ip's are adding them again....pls check the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:C001:D0A0:DC44:8751:408C:8A87 (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

These guys are adding all evacuation flights like AI's LHR, 6E's KWI, SHJ in their page (HYD page), and very cleverly are removing sourced material from BLR page. Why don't you visit HYD page once to see what all is going on there. Thank you. 2409:4071:D10:2009:8949:B2D8:B6A6:6DCC (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi...that IP who has been vandalising kia airport has now been removing content from hyd airport as well by simply marking them as evacuation flights....and just simply putting end dates to routes by providing poorly sourced content by making his own analysis...so i request you to pls check him (as you guessed...even i felt that this user was that idiot random haste)...he's interested in maintaining blr airport...so removing content from other airports — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:C001:DC63:F522:F974:16C8:F70A (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi... LeoFrank....I request you raise a semi protect request for Rajiv Gandhi International Airport...Thank you Adithya003 (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Karnataka Express edit warring
This caught my eye as it was a similar issue to another page, but I let that one drop. Please be aware you are violating the WP:TRR. I completely disagree with your application of WP:NOTTRAVEL and notability. Notability concerns whether something should have its own article, not the content of an article. NemesisAT (talk) 12:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , If you think notability is only for articles, then you have not understood it at all. It looks like you have not understood WP:NOTTRAVEL either. How is where a train traverses important in an encyclopedia? Please substantiate? &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 12:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It literally says in the "This page in a nutshell" box of WP:N that The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article.. NemesisAT (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , So? You just seem to take them word to word. That's the problem. There are points in WP:N that can be added to content as well. Same goes with WP:OSE which is used while debating again deletion of an article, the logic can be used for content as well. You need to understand the guidelines and see where they can be applied. You still do not have a valid answer as to how timetable of a train and its coach composition consitutes encyclopedic content. On the same front, you were reverting in another article stating WP:NOTTRAVEL cannot be applied. Why not? And where are valid sources for these content even if WP:NOTTRAVEL cannot applied. You seem to even violate thet very basic rule of WP:CITE. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 13:52, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can't just take any unrelated guideline out of context, find wording in it that suits your point, and apply it.
 * I don't believe I've ever added in timetable information. In the case of Karnataka Express and Mumbai Rajdhani Express, the articles are about the railway service so of course locomotive and coach information is directly relevant to the article.
 * WP:NOTTRAVEL refers to subjective information, picking the best restaurants, telephone numbers, addresses etc. Wikipedia has absolutely loads of railway information so evidently the general consensus is this does not fall under NOTTRAVEL. NemesisAT (talk) 14:05, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing of Karnataka express
Hello. I was the one who had edited the Karnataka express article. I do not have a lot of Wikipedia editing experience hence thought a bot was deleting my edits and I kept reverting them. I only read the comment on the talk page recently. It has been understood that the timetable for both directions is not encyclopedic, but I anyhow had some queries. 1. You have removed most of the content from the article, including the ones before my edit. This seems non-informative as there is a single-line description followed by a standard table used in most articles about trains in India. Karnataka express had a vivid history and uses a noteworthy traction system due to non-electrified sections in a few places along its route. Further, some information about the route and timing (not the entire timetable) and some information about the coaches and recent conversion to LHB coaches should be included as well. Please refer to [Express|other train articles] on Wikipedia. Those seem more informative. Abiding by the policies and editing guidelines, including some of the aforementioned details will be encyclopedic. Thank you. Please do reach out if you have any queries. IndianVerge24 (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , Please see WP:OSE. Just because it exists in another article does not mean it should exist here. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 12:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * - Sure, I will. Thank you. IndianVerge24 (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

The International Saga
Hey there, the saga apparently is continuing, if you could drop your two cents here it might help a bit. Thanks! Bingo bro  (Chat)  08:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)