User talk:Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira~enwiki

Siegfried leitmotif
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 * Where is the mention to the use of Siegfried motif in this symphony? It appears very clearly in the Development section of the 1st movement. I think actually that the first theme is somehow a mixture of the first theme from Beethoven's Ninth and the Siegfried motif from Wagner. --Leonardo T. Oliveira 14:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure that you are telling about the correct symphony? It is Symphony No. 3 in which the first time is a mixture of the first theme from Beethoven's Ninth and the Siegfried motif from Wagner. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 06:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In the Symphony No. 3 Bruckner is quoting the other Siegfried leitmotif (the horn call). There is indeed some fortuitous similarity with the Siegfried leitmotif. Actually the main theme of the 8th Symphony is derived from an own earlier composition, i.e., the March in D minor that he composed in 1862 - a period before he has heard any Wagner composition. The first work of Wagner that Bruckner heard was Tannhäuser in 1863. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can find the first half of the main theme of the 8th Symphony in the beginning of the March (00" - 02") and the second half at the end of its first phrase (07" - 09"). It is obvious when you are looking at the score: beats 1 and 2, and beats 4 and 5, respectively. Even the rhythm is the same. This feature has already been reported by the Bruckner pioneer HH Schönzeler. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For you info: The Michel theme of the Scherzo is also derived from a previous composition, i.e., the Credo of the Mass No. 2 in E minor of 1866. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can find the first half of the main theme of the 8th Symphony in the beginning of the March (00" - 02") and the second half at the end of its first phrase (07" - 09"). It is obvious when you are looking at the score: beats 1 and 2, and beats 4 and 5, respectively. Even the rhythm is the same. This feature has already been reported by the Bruckner pioneer HH Schönzeler. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For you info: The Michel theme of the Scherzo is also derived from a previous composition, i.e., the Credo of the Mass No. 2 in E minor of 1866. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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