User talk:Leonig Mig

Request for arbitration
A request for arbitration to which you are an involved party has been filed at Arbitration/Requests/Case. Erik9 (talk) 05:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Cofton Hackett - EDIT SUMMARIES
While any constructive contributions to  Wikipedia articles are most  welcome, on  7 September 2009 you  made around 40 (forty) consecutive edits to Cofton Hackett while only  two carried any  form  of edit summary. This makes it impossible for any other editors to  review your work  and build upon them.--Kudpung (talk) 07:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Worcestershire meeting?
Worcestershire Project get-together I'm in the UK on  a rare trip to  my  home town in Worcestershire. If all or anyone from the project  would like to  meet  up, please let  me know. I'll be returning  to  Asia  on  3 October.--Kudpung (talk) 09:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Malvern - GA nomination

 * Hi Leonig ! We now have a first  review for GA. On  the whole it doesn't look too bad. As you know, I am a local resident in absentia, and as a published author, a 'prose artist', but  anything you can do to  improve the language or address some of the more technical points as quickly  as possible would be much  appreciated. Any work on the new referencing system does not affect  the overall quality  and scope of the article for GA but you may be able to put put some of the wrong referencing things right and offer some suggestions on the other points made by  the reviewer. It  would be great for the Worcs project to have a GA of this envergure in its repertoire. See Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire -  and Happy  New Year!--Kudpung (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

MGC
Hi ! An article within the scope of the WikiProject  Worcestershire has been proposed for moving. Please see the discussion at  Talk:Malvern Girls' College proposal,  and leave your comments there. Thanks. ''This is a message to Worcestershire project members; if it  has been placed on  your talk  page in  error, please ignore and/or delete it.'--Kudpung (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Worcestershierre, Warwickshierre, and Everyshierre
Hello ! A non-British user seems to be attempting to  suggest that the Brits are not  pronouncing  their own British  place names  correctly,  and appears to  believe that  it  is a policy of Wikipedia to  instruct  the Brits, through  the use of the IPA, how British English  should be pronounced. He/she also seems to be of the  opinion that it is Wikipedia policy to regard British English by default as a rhotic  language, which it is not. Some British Wikipedians are trying to avoid an edit conflict and have requested my support. I have added my comments to the debate the non-British user has  has started in  defence of his/her multiple, WP:BOLD? changes to IPA pronunciations of British place names. As a professional linguist I accord every version  of English  its own particular merits and  my  position here strictly concerns the way in  which  the IPA is interpreted and applied in the Wikipedia, and how the current policy may need to be changed through a truly representative consensus. If you would like to  help  resolve this issue,  please see User talk:Kudpung and User talk:Lfh to  get  the background. Maybe you could then chime in with your views on the subject at Wikipedia talk:IPA for English. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 18:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

News
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The WikiProject WORCESTERSHIRE Newsletter No. 1 - January 2010

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Welcome to the first WikiProject Worcestershire newsletter
If you are not  yet a member of the The Worcestershire project, you  are probably receiving  this because you  have significantly  contributed to  one of our pages. Now is the time to consider joining - it  might help you get some assistance on a page you feel particularly attached to it. Someone once asked on the project page if they  could get  a newsletter. The Worcestershire project only has a few members and they  most  probably  have the project  pages and major articles on  their watchlists, but  here goes anyway...

This year has got off to  great start  with  the promotion  of Malvern, Worcestershire to Good Article status. The GA review process was particularly strict and demanding, and a good thing too, because it sets a benchmark for the quality to be targeted for other articles in  the project, even if we do  not  intend to  reach  GA with  them. Furthermore, and probably most important, this particular review clearly demonstrated what can be achieved with teamwork, and it puts the page on a par with  biggies such as Manchester,  one of the Wikipedia's flagship English settlement articles. Anyone can go ahead and create an article, and some articles have a major contributor, but it would have been impossible for Malvern to have been promoted without the extraordinary collaborative effort of a dedicated few, spread across three continents in very different time zones, and sometimes tripping over each other at all times of the day and night  to  get  the article up  to  snuff.
 * Great news for 2010!

Since the Worcs project was founded   barely  seven months ago on  8 June last  year, in  addition  to  the creation and maintenance of  the project  pages themselves. a lot of work has already been done by  the Worcs project  members, including the creation  of stubs for most of the missing  settlements  in  the county, creation and improvement  work on  Malvern Water, creation  and expansion  of articles on important  schools and one or two biographies in  the county, and general repetitive tasks such as keeping spam and vandalism  at  bay.
 * Recently founded

All the members of the project have their own specialised fields of interest of course, such  as French wine, schools, Lancashire, the Malverns, cricket, Magnetic Resonance Imaging,  busses, castles,  waterways, or Spike Milligan. However, they all have a common denominator somewhere that  brings them together in  Worcestershire. The Worcestershire project mainly concerns settlements. Perhaps after the success of Malvern, the immediate priority now is to  improve the articles that  really  ought  to  be the flagships of the project, namely  Worcester, and Worcestershire. These two are, sadly, some of the articles in the worst state. They have been created long ago and expanded over time by  a great many  shingle-edit authors and IPs.
 * Experts!

A possible suggestion would be to take one of those rather shoddy  pages, probably  Worcester, the county  seat, or the project's eponymous article Worcestershire and do  a Malvern job  on it. Such a concerted piece of teamwork  might  even earn the project  another major GA - and we now know it  can be done!
 * So wotnow? (pun)

Meet up
An attempt at a meet up failed last year - mainly  either because some of the most active members of the project  live in  other countries, or the timing  wasn't  quite right. We can have another attempt in  April, when Kudpung  will  be back in  Malvern for his dad's 90th birthday, and hopefully  this will coincide with  a home trip  to the UK for GyroMagician.

Talk
The place to make your suggestions and dicscuss it all is  HERE - be sure to have the page on  your watchlist!

'''Would you like to join the WP:WORCS?? Please enter yourself at WP:WORCS! - new editors are always welcome!'''

Happy Wikying, all the best  for 2010, and special thanks again all round for the efforts of  the Malvern taskforce, and to everyone else who  has contributed to our articles. Currently there are two featured articles in Worcestershire.
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Priority Articles
The top priority articles have been identified as probably being:

The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Worcestershire.
 * Worcester • Worcestershire • Bromsgrove • Redditch • Kidderminster • Pershore • Malvern College • Malvern St James • Droitwich • tenbury Wells and the suite of former QinetiQ establlishments: * TRE • RSRE • DERA

Other priorities: These lists will help:
 * The recommended priority by kind is for creation/improvement of complete articles is:
 * 1) Places in the county
 * 2) Schools in the county (Particularly susceptible to  vandalism - please keep  them  on  your watch lists if possible).
 * 3) Transport in the county
 * 4) Notable buildings/objects/geo features/AONB/Heritage sites, etc. in the county
 * 5) History in the county
 * 6) Industry & Commerce in the county.
 * 7) People in the county - NOTE: These all need the Worcs project  banner adding  to their talk pages, and assessing.
 * 8) County related articles about things not actually in the county, and/or other related projects.
 * All Worcs related articles by ABC
 * Worcs related articles by type.
 * All Worcs related articles about people by ABC
 * List of all Schools in  Worcestershire
 * List by Class & Importance: Page 1 All categories except people (not yet  tagged with  WP banner)
 * List by Class & Importance: Page 2 All categories except people (not yet  tagged with  WP banner).

New Aims
Specific aims for the project are:-

Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Some of our articles need their infoboxes completing infobox.
 * Monitor
 * Infoboxes

Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. If you  a re uploadiing  an image, be sure  it has a correct FUR, and that  you  have preferably  already  created a link  on  the page where you  want  it to  be.
 * References

Please be careful when performing articles moves and check if anyone seems to be in the middle of doing the same thing. If he; she, or they are, stop and have a chat about it. Otherwise you may  be unintentionally duplicating or reverting each  other's work. This is particularly important  if an article is currently under a  GA review. image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR.
 * Moves, merges, and multiple edits

Guidelines

 * How to write about settlements
 * How to write about counties
 * How to write about rivers
 * How to write about people

Imprint Written by User:Kudpung, WP:WORCS Based on an original layout & content by WP:YORKS '''


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IPA in British place nanmes
I see that  the American campaign against  the British pronunciation  of British place names, by  British  Wikipedeia authors and British  citizens has been relaunched. I think this campaign is deceitful and goes against  an admin's remit. I might not  be so prepared to  let things rest  this time round, especially  as the editors concerned are  oblivious of the sensitivities they may  be affronting, and even though  I  am one editor  who  abhors opening  cans of worms. I may  call an RfC and will  look  forward to  your support.--Kudpung (talk) 11:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah no probs Leonig Mig (talk) 09:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

UK places
Hi Leonig. I was particularly impressed with  a comment you  made some time back concerning the IPA pronuncition  of English place names in this discussion. After months of building up evidence, there is probably  going to  be an RfC on this. Your comments would be most appreciated. Whichever way you  vote or comment however,  will of course depend entirely  your own opinion. You can get some important  background here, and I'll let you  know when the RfC starts.--Kudpung (talk) 10:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

RE: No offence meant
Oh, I'm just exercising my right to express my opinion. When you say that 1) anyone voting delete there is a deletion-obsessed megalomaniac ruining the wiki for the rest of us and 2) that those people are not "real" content editors, you open yourself up to retorts. Either offence was meant, or you really don't read what you write. Ironholds (talk) 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Meaning is not determinate. There was interpretation at some point, and that involved your body's emotional subsystem. :P Leonig Mig (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, so when you accuse anyone who votes delete of ruining the wiki and say they're unable to be good content editors, otherwise they'd be away writing stuff (which you weren't, leading me to assume that you're also ruining the wiki) it's the interpretation that really matters. So if I say that the real enemy of Wikipedia isn't inclusionists or deletionists, but rather those idiots like you who use the flimsiest and least valid grounds possible to attempt to preserve any article they can, leading to the undermining of well-intentioned organisations such as the ARS, all in the name of what you hemp-and-sandal wearing, patchouli-smelling, weed-smoking hippie fucks consider "inclusionism".. that's not an offensive remark. It's merely your interpretation of it that creates an issue. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence (which may actually exclude you, thus rendering this point moot) could see that the remarks would be interpreted by anyone with an ounce of logic as offensive. If you grasped this and said it anyway, you indeed intended to be offensive. If you did not grasp this, I'm sure the doctors have a special jacket with extra long sleeves for you. Ironholds (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Think you need to get away from the computer chief. Leonig Mig (talk) 17:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer, but no; I'm in the middle of writing an article on historical legal figures nobody cares about. Ironholds (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No you're not you're arguing on the internet. Oh what a tangled knot is man! Leonig Mig (talk) 17:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Candidate articles
I was just updating Harriett Baldwin's article and noticed the discussion. In future, put the information you would have put in a separate candidate article into an article about the specific election. Then, if and when the candidate wins, that information can be split out into its own article. That's what the US does and it works fairly well. You're certainly correct that it's absurd to not provide the public with information about all candidates. Flatterworld (talk) 14:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:WORCS
Hi Leonig. In order to more accurately  interpret Wikipedia policy, it has been suggested that  we rename the Malvern, Worcestershire page. Please see the proposal at Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire where you are welcome to voice your opinion. --Kudpung (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Evesham
Hi. A Worcestershire Project page has now been taken on by a reviewer for Good Article after a very long wait. Several points need addressing, but the page has not been rejected as an immediate fail. If you  have time, please see Talk:Evesham, and if you can address any of the points listed, I'm sure that between us we can get it through to GA. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Gordon Brown
I have replied to your comment. --Mais oui! (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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Jimmy Savile
The order and structure of the opening paragraphs of the article is under active discussion on the article talk page. Please engage in the discussion there, rather than simply engaging in what appears to be increasingly an edit war. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm comfortable my edits were constructive. Leonig Mig (talk) 22:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Peter McKelvie
Hello Leonig Mig,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Peter McKelvie for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Gilded Snail (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Is there a question? There are no sources in the article about McKelvie - there are only sources about events he was involved it.  The normal practice is to redirect to those events, because there's no biographical information to write a biography with.  An AfD (or local discussion) will decide to redirect it a thousand times out of a thousand; no sense in wasting your time (or any else's) on something that won't persist. Wily D  09:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I would prefer a local discussion as I believe deleting this article about a man in favour of redirecting to an article about a police investigation or a scandal makes no sense. Your comment that there are no sources is completely absurd. Leonig Mig (talk) 09:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also link to the policy doc containing the 'normal practice'. Leonig Mig (talk) 10:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Err, you already linked WP:BLP1E to me. Look, it's not skin off my nose; but it doesn't make sense to me for you to put effort into something that has no chance of being retained.  There's nothing in the article about Peter McKelvie - you don't know when or where he was born, where he went to school, how many (if any) kids he has, where he lives, what kind of biscuits he likes - all you know is the role he's played in a notable event.  There's also no point in arguing with me; the outcome is too inevitable in this case (unless new sources about McKelvie, rather than his role in events, are found) for me to be able to change the outcome either. Wily D  10:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't understand why you are more interested in what biscuits he likes rather than 5 very significant allegations he has made. My hope is in time we we know about the biscuits, it is a stub article. Leonig Mig (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, it's an example to show that you basically nothing about McKelvie as a person. All you know is his role in events.  So we write an article about the events that we know something about, rather than the person we know nothing about. Wily D  11:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I do understand. See the talk page for the article where I'm having the exact same conversation with another editor. Hopefully you can see some of the subtleties in this case. Leonig Mig (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Newsletter WikiProject Worcestershire
Worcestershire - one of England's oldest and still existing (with some minor boundary changes) ceremonial and political shires, famous for its nearly 1000 year old cathedral, the River Severn, the AONB of the Malvern Hills, some of the oldest schools in the country, England's fastest growing university, apples, pears, cider and cricket, and of course its world famous sauce. The Wikiproject is now in need of some attention. Created 12 years ago, this project amassed a huge resource for editors working on all kinds of articles and categories related in some way or another to the county. Kudpung is more or less retired from Wikipedia getting on for 2 years ago and it would be good if a group of editors could get it up to date and continue to maintain it. Opt out of this message list here. WikiProject Worcestershire 14:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC)