User talk:Leosch~plwiki

Leosch~plwiki, you are invited on a Wikipedia Adventure!
 The Adventure

Auschwitz
Hi Leosch, if you want to add that there were 20 Jewish prisoners in the first group, and scouts and students, please explain your reasoning on Talk:Auschwitz concentration camp, and supply a reliable source. The sources I've looked at don't include that information. Many thanks, SarahSV (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Answer: because it is the truth. Do you need any other reason? If you are writing - "there were Poles and Jews" -it is not. Een this 20 jews were imprisoned for beeing POLES not Jews, but if you think it is necessary to write about Jews in the first transport at all- you should just write a TRUTH. Do you have a problem with TRUTH? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leosch~plwiki (talk • contribs)


 * Regardless of what is true, we still need a reliable source, which you should post on Talk:Auschwitz concentration camp. Then we can discuss it. If you continue to revert, you're likely to be reported to WP:AN/EW, and you may be blocked from editing for violating Edit warring, which is policy. So instead of reverting again, please post your source on the talk page, or you can post it here if you prefer. Many thanks, SarahSV (talk) 16:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Answer: SarahSV (talk) the source is ease to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_mass_transport_to_Auschwitz_concentration_camp#cite_note-books.google.com-1 others: http://auschwitz.org/historia/rozne-grupy-wiezniow/zydzi/


 * Wśród pierwszych ponad 1000 więźniów politycznych Polaków przywiezionych do KL Auschwitz w czerwcu 1940 r. z więzień w Tarnowie i Wiśniczu Nowym, było co najmniej 21 Żydów polskich. Transl.: among first 1000 prisoners in Juni 1940 there were 21 Jews.
 * http://auschwitz.org/muzeum/aktualnosci/rocznica-pierwszej-deportacji-zydow-polskich-do-auschwitz,486.html
 * First deportation of Jews to Auschwitz found 15.02.1942 and than mostly to Birkenau. Until these time Auschwitz was extermination camp almost solely for Poles. Imprisoned Jews - were not there because of they nationality, but because regarding by Germans as Poles. (Do you have a problem with facts? What is wikipedia for at all?)


 * Hi Leosch, if you sign your posts with four tildes, like this  (top left on the keyboard), it will produce your name and a timestamp.


 * Thank you for posting your sources. The first is Henry Friedlander's foreword in Herman Langbein, People in Auschwitz. It doesn't appear to say anything about 20 Jews, scouts, students, etc. Your second source, Auschwitz.org, says (according to Google Translate): "Among the first more than 1,000 political prisoners brought to KL Auschwitz in June 1940 from prisoners in Tarnów and Wiśnicz Nowy, there were at least 21 Polish Jews. Everyone in the short time died in the camp."


 * Note that it says over 1,000 from Tarnów and Wiśnicz Nowy. But the disputed sentence is about one day only: "The first mass transport of 728 Polish male political prisoners, including Catholic priests and Jews, arrived on 14 June 1940 from Tarnów, Poland."


 * The best source for this is Danuta Czech, either her Auschwitz Chronicle or the source our article uses, her article in Auschwitz, 1940–1945. Central Issues in the History of the Camp. Volume V. She talks about a second transport of 313 prisoners from Wiśnicz Nowy on 20 June. She doesn't say anything about 20 Jews, but her Auschwitz Chronicle is more detailed and perhaps includes that. However (for reasons of space), our article discusses only the first transport on 14 June. SarahSV (talk) 05:33, 24 June 2019 (UTC)