User talk:Leschnei/Archive 4

Thank you - Royal Lyceum Theatre
Hi Leschnei,

Thank you for your comments on my post on Royal Lyceum Theatre. I just tried to copy what I saw on the page. Your corrections are most welcome. My bio is in the French page of Wikipedia. I thought is was enough to let people who I am.

Have a nice day,

--Sautdebiche (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC) (Sautdebiche, just in case)


 * is there a Wikipedia article that gives information about that theatre, or did you get it from the theatre's website? Leschnei (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * There is no article yet on this theatre in Wikipedia. This is the reason that I thought adding information that I gathered in internet to provide the basic data. Here's the link to the historical of the theatre [Taylor on History Royal Lyceum Toronto]. You can also check this page [Canada West, Library University of Toronto, Royal Lyceum THeatre]. There is a fonds at Library and Archives Canada (LAC). Usually I link descriptions of the fonds from LAC to articles which I could'nt this time. --Sautdebiche (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I asked about articles in case there was a better blue link to list on the DAB page. I've added commented-out versions of the links that you suggested in case someone wants to write the article. Leschnei (talk) 13:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you – Re: Donald Grant (disambiguation)
Dear Leschnei,

I appreciate any guidance and correction anyone has to offer. I am certainly not as well versed in all the technical rules and guidelines of Wiki as I should like to be. On the page in question, by way of an internal link for an as yet non-existent page, I have asked for the creation of an article on the subject. And in keeping with others listed on that page I have added the subject's year of birth, (and disputed year of death), along with his nationality. If you have a minute to glance at it, I hope it meets with approval under the guidelines. Thank you again for your explanation and your help.

Sincerely, Christian Gregory (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to help where I can. The basic thing to remember about disambiguation pages is that they are merely navigation aids (like the index of a book), so they should reflect what is in existing articles. If an article is red-linked, like Donald Grant of Grant, 5th Baron Strathspey, then it should be listed along with an article that uses the red link, as you did. If it is not red-linked and you feel that the subject is notable, than there are 2 possibilities: (1) list it as a red link and add the same red link to the article (List of English-language broadcasters for Nazi Germany, in this case); (2) list the item/person as a WP:DABMENTION, i.e., no red link but including an article that mentions the item/person. For example,


 * Donald Alexander Fraser Grant, Scottish English-language broadcaster for Nazi Germany


 * A few other points:
 * don't include any other information unless/until it is in the linked article, such as dates (1907–mid-1980s)
 * Be careful with your red links; Donald Grant of Grant, 5th Baron Strathspey is the form used in the article, not Donald Patrick Trevor Grant of Grant, 5th Baron Strathspey. They should match.
 * When deciding what to list for Donald Alexander Fraser Grant, keep in mind (1) that you shouldn't pipe the title and (2) Donald Grant, presenter of Radio Caledonia probably isn't the best title - maybe Donald Grant (radio presenter)?
 * Hope that helps, Leschnei (talk) 13:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * @Leschnei: It helped a great deal!  I have done my best to incorporate the suggestions which you made above.  And I thank you yet again, this time for your mentoring me in this.
 * Best regards, Christian Gregory (talk) 23:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Looks great except the don't pipe the article part, or as the Manual of Style puts it "The article title should appear exactly as it is on the target page; the link should not be piped except to apply formatting". That applies to the main title, not secondary links like English-language broadcaster for Nazi Germany. I made an edit on the page to remove the piping. Leschnei (talk) 00:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * @Leschnei: I tell no word of a lie, I agonised over your words "Don't pipe the title" whilst I struggled with a voice in my head that said "Don't lose the full name: Donald Alexander Fraser Grant".
 * And so it continued in my head: "Don't pipe the title" ... "But I've already given over on the identifiers '1907–mid-1980s' and 'Scottish'." ... "You were told:  Don't Pipe the Title" ... "But I gave over on "Radio Caledonia" as well!" ... "DON'T PIPE THE TITLE!" ... "LEAVE THE MAN'S FULL NAME!" ... "DON'T PIPE!" ... " NAME! LEAVE NAME!!!"
 * What can I say, the voice in my head got the better of me. It's thirty-six hours too early to blame it on a full moon; still, I could plead "Dog days of summer", but who am I kidding:  You told me, and I simply didn't listen.  No excuses; my apologies.
 * In future I'm going to have to remember that listening to the voice in one's head has been the down fall of many a schizophrenic. Well, not that I'm schizophrenic. ... Yes he is. ... No I'm not. ... Yes, YOU ARE! ... NO, I AM NOT! ... Then why won't they let you vote, or drive, or sign a cheque?! ... STOP TORMENTING ME!!!
 * (Please, do delete the above at your earliest opportunity ;) Christian Gregory (talk) 03:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I feel your pain. Would it help to remember that the full name and the other tasty details will go in the article? Leschnei (talk) 11:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * @Leschnei: That it will, Leschnei.  That it will ... just so long as I keep remembering that point—and keep remembering to take the Prozac—all will be fine in the end.
 * Cheers, Leshnei! Christian Gregory (talk) 13:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tropical cyclones in 2007 (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Tropical cyclones in 2007 (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

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Balian of Ibelin (disambiguation)
Sorry I do not understand your point

Balian III d'Ibelin (died 1247), Lord of Beirut from 1236 to 1247, Constable of Cyprus, Bailiff of Jerusalem; son of John of Ibelin, the Old Lord of Beirut is covered in Balian_of_Beirut

So why you are not accepting an existing and correct link?

Please note that I needed to correct both Balian_of_Beirut and Principality of Galilee where the pointer for Balian III d'Ibelin was directling wrongly to Balian_of_Ibelin_(1240–1302)

LordFalk (talk) 23:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm basically trying to edit Balian of Ibelin (disambiguation) so that it is accurate and follows the DAB guidelines. Specifically, each entry should have one blue link that describes the subject (MOS:DABENTRY) and entry titles should not be piped (MOS:DABPIPE). I am not familiar with the various Balians of Ibelin, so I was hoping that you could help with the accuracy.


 * It appears that Balian of Beirut is the same person as Balian III d'Ibelin (died 1247). If I have that correct, the simplest solution would probably be to create a new redirect, with Balian III d'Ibelin redirecting to Balian of Beirut. Would that make the page correct? Leschnei (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind help. To make short I guess, that a new redirect would solve the problem.

More in general, there are plenty persons whose name is Balian d'Ibelin. The important ones are the following and most of them appear in Balian of Ibelin (disambiguation) and give a correct link

There is a single person with that title so "II" has no meaning; it appear as Balian II of Ibelin (?–1316) in Principality of Galilee but has no entry (apparently he had no relevance in history!) In any case I was able to identify him in House of Ibelin as son of Philip of Ibelin (died 1304) and I will fix this both in Principality of Galilee and in Balian of Ibelin (disambiguation)
 * Barisan of Ibelin  appears as Barisan of Ibelin
 * Balian of Ibelin
 * The third is officially named as Balian III d'Ibelin and appears with wrong name of Balian of Beirut and in fact died in 1247 (in an important battle)
 * The fourth again is Balian IV d'Ibelin and appers (correctly) as Balian of Arsuf
 * Balian of Ibelin (1240–1302) is correctly identified
 * I am quite perplexed by the identity of Balian II of Ibelin, Prince of Galilee.

Thanks for your kind contribution. LordFalk (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * This clears things up tremendously, thanks. I think I was reading 'Barisan of Ibelin' and 'Balian of Ibelin' as the same name! I'm confused by your comment about Balian III - are Balian III d'Ibelin and Balian of Beirut the same person? The article Balian of Beirut never makes this clear. Leschnei (talk) 12:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, in that period pesonal identity was quite fuzzy. The complete official name for this guy is Balian III d'Ibelin, Lord of Beirut, Constable of Cyprus, Bailiff of Jerusalem, +Askalon 1247 but it is true that among the many guys named Balian of Ibelin he was the only which was controlling Beiruth. Runciman names him Balian of Ibelin. So the article is OK and (I read it) well documented. Best LordFalk (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow - I'll definitely avoid content edits on Balian of Ibelin (disambiguation). It's too easy to make things worse! Thanks for your patience in explaining all of this to me. Leschnei (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ^____^ Thanks for helping me to fix this messy (I agree) situation. Best.LordFalk (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Italic article name in Maida
The names of types of flours do need to be italicised if they're foreign words per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC, therefore fulfilling the criteria for WP:ITALICTITLE. (this is in regard to this revert by you) —I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 13:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your note. If I were talking about Maida (flour) in an article, I would certainly follow MOS:FOREIGNITALIC, however on disambiguation pages, the convention is to not italicize non-English entries except for things like book and movie titles. As you can see at MOS:DABOTHERLANG, the example is clearly not italicized. Leschnei (talk) 13:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I dunno,, they don't explicitly say that you shouldn't and that example wasn't really talking about– okay they do not use italics there, and they're somewhat clear about that, but I don't understand why disambiguation pages would deviate from WP:ITALICTITLE. —I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 14:03, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yoo, I got a consensus on MOS:DAB that the example there in MOS:DABOTHERLANG was just confusing, and they didn't intend it mean that you've to write foreign words/phrases article titles in regular case. Hope you have np with me changing that back in light of this. —I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , no problem. Thanks for letting me know. Leschnei (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

June
Sorry about that careless edit on the Haindmaid's Tale episode at June (disambiguation)—I know better than that. Thank you for repairing my goof!— Shelf Skewed  Talk  16:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * my pleasure. Leschnei (talk) 23:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Creighton (name)
Blimey, good job with the split! I speak as someone with an interest in Embleton, Northumberland and who lives not a million miles away from Fortismere School so you can imagine that I do keep a bit of an eye on this! Cheers DBaK (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I have to admit that I was primarily driven by the desire to get all of those names off of the Creighton disambiguation page! Leschnei (talk) 23:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Works for me! Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Danger
Hi Leschnei,

Regarding your reversion of my edit to Danger:

Per the description I provided, my edit was intended to eliminate the redundancy of the phrase "TV series" from the link, being that the phrase is already used in the subsequent text. As I read the meaning of MOS:DABPIPING, it refers to the allowable adjustment of the wording of a link to better conform to the context. My elimination of "TV series" from the link, while retaining the link's integrity, seems to be legitimate. I've therefore restored my edit, and thanks for the opportunity to explain my action. The News Hound (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , your description applies when the link is used in the description. When used as the topic, as in Danger (TV series), the MOS is very clear:


 * "Apart from the exceptions listed below, piping and redirects should generally not be used on disambiguation pages. This is to make it clear to the reader which topic is the subject of an article title." The exceptions are when adding italics, quotation marks, or unusual characters that won't render properly in titles. Therefore, your entry - consistent with other entries on that page - should show the full title and the formatting: . Leschnei (talk) 12:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Krusenstern
Thank you for the notice about disambiguation page Krusenstern. I added information about the phantom reef to Northwestern Hawaiian Islands and put a link into the disambiguation page. Goustien (talk) 18:12, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , that's great, thanks. I removed the link for phantom island to satisfy the one blue link per entry guideline. Leschnei (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Black and White Nisa
Hello! I'm the user who added the Black Nisa and the White Nisa (under their Czech names) to the Disambiguation page for "Nisa." They are two right tributaries, entirely in the Czech Republic, of the Lusatian Neisse. You reverted that edit with the comment that neither river is mentioned in any article.

I don't plan to make an issue of it; it WAS a bit of a stretch, and there might be some Wikipedia policy I don't know about. (Certainly, there are plenty of Redlinks on Disambiguation pages, but I suppose those that don't have articles might very well be mentioned somewhere or other). But I would like--in a friendly way--to share this much with you. Both rivers do have individual articles in the German and Czech Wikipedias. And the Polish Wikipedia article on the Lusatian Neisse does mention them both--although it calls the White Nisa by another name. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , red-linked entries are supposed to be accompanied by a link to an existing article that uses the red link (MOS:DABRED), or unlinked entries can be listed, also with an accompanying 'blue link' (MOS:DABMENTION). The logic behind this is that DAB pages are merely navigation aides to existing material, like the index of a book. 'Black Nisa' wouldn't be listed in the index if it wasn't mentioned in the book.


 * It is becoming more common to include inter-language links, even if the article doesn't yet exist in the English Wikipedia. If you would like to go that route, I would suggest using an undefined template so that the link is red, making it obvious that the English article needs to be written. I don't revert those entries but others might! Leschnei (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That's interesting; thank you. After I wrote you, I did see where one shouldn't disambiguate something that simply isn't found in Wikipedia.  I hadn't seen that point about inter-language ones, though.  What's also interesting is that someone has done something similar at the disambiguation page for Neisse.  They also list one of them as a left tributary.  I'm mulling what to do about that; I happen to know they're both right tributaries, but I know that only from looking at a map (Original Research?).  I'm not sure I would have put those there anyway; since they're both less than 10 miles long and entirely within one region of the Czech Republic, they're probably hardly known by any names other than their Czech ones. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , yeah that page is kind of a mess. There are lots of DAB pages with geography orphan red links. Sometimes I fix them, and sometimes I don't have the energy. If the other-language Wikipedias don't use that spelling, I would remove them with an explanation in the edit summary. Leschnei (talk) 20:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , I ended up on Neisse (disambiguation) for an unrelated reason, so I removed those two red links. I couldn't find that spelling in any article and a quick Google search supported what you said about that being an unusual spelling. Leschnei (talk) 12:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Just as a point of interest, the region HAS been under German influence, so if one dug around deep enough, one might find SOME reference in German (Schwartz or Weiss, with Neisse having that German double-S).
 * By the way, it was only when I went in to edit the other according to your recommendation that I discovered that you HID my earlier edit rather than removing it; very sporting of you--thanks! And thanks, too, because I've learned some thing out of this (like undefined, for instance). Uporządnicki (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , my pleasure. Most of what I've learned on Wikipedia is through other people fixing my mistakes and/or making friendly suggestions. Leschnei (talk) 13:14, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I thoroughly approve of ill links on DAB pages, whether there's a WP:DABMENTION or not. They're a boon to DABfixers, work against editors introducing a bad link just because there's one the DAB page which looks as if it might be right, and may encourage someone to get translating, and they lay down a marker for what the disambiguation qualifier should be. Narky Blert (talk) 17:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , - that's the approach I've been taking as well. Hopefully it moves people to get the articles written. Leschnei (talk) 00:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambigaution Page: Saint-Romain
Dear Leschnei,

You have deleted my addition to the Saint-Romain disambiguation page (that I added with a reference). The short description of your edit mentioned that no reference should be added to any disambiguation page; therefore, I have reintegrated my addition, only this time with no reference. I am not a very experienced Wikipedia article editor/writer, having only written one article (Edvard Schiffauer) and having made some minor edits here and there; thus, I am not certain if this readdition is appropriate. As a much more experienced editor, can you please tell me if this is indeed appropriate or not? That would be very helpful. Thank you!

Yours sincerely,

Jmedraj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmedraj (talk • contribs) 22:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , I've replied on your talk page. Leschnei (talk) 01:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Leschnei,

Thank you very much for your answer, and sorry for not answering earlier, meaning two months ago! No, indeed I do not have any further questions: your answer answered them all! Thank you for everything.

Sincerely, --Jmedraj (talk) 16:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

re: Stylus (disambiguation)
Thanks for the information on the talk page. It looks like someone (you?) needs to write an article on Stylus Music. I removed it from Stylus (disambiguation) because, as described above, DAB pages are simply navigation pages; they should link to the articles that contain the information. If a reader clicked on Nigel Wright (record producer), hoping for information on Stylus Records, they would be disappointed. Leschnei (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The bit about Nigel Wright was directing people to the Top 10 recording act Mirage as that was the first 'band' I could remember having records out on Stylus, when I was reading about Stereophonics and I wasn't intending spending much time on it like I have ended up doing.


 * However I will put it back as per the following entry:


 * Stylus, Inc., a publisher of Amiga desktop productivity applications


 * as this format must be deemed acceptable as it must have been on here for a few years as Stylus Inc on google seems to link to "Stylus.inc - Fashion Soc DCAC: Fashion Society of Delhi College of Arts & Commerce, Delhi University" with no mention of Stylus on the Amiga page.
 * P.S. If anybody wants to create an article using the information above please do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.174 (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

re: *Stylus, Inc., a publisher of Amiga desktop productivity applications
Hello Leschnei, I have spent a lot of time researching and adding in the information as you requested... but as the Stylus, Inc. entry on Stylus (disambiguation) needs to have a link to an existing article that uses the red link (MOS:DABRED) you can deal with it as I do not know anything about computers...
 * Stylus, Inc., a publisher of Amiga desktop productivity applications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.174 (talk) 17:59, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!
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"Sounding" in archaeology
Hi Leschnei. There is a huge amount of academic papers on archaeological digs using the term "sounding", more or less freely exchangeable with the French-origin word "sondage". For a long time even "stratigraphy (archaeology)" was missing from Wikipedia - a red link helped motivating its creation. I firmly believe that WP rules, which are made "on the go" by fellow editors, not by divine or even state authorities, are only as good as their result in helping the user: the user is all we're here for. If an important, frequently used scientific term is missing, and users are being disappointed in their search, adding a red link anywhere where fellow editors might get a kick in creating the article is a gain and a positive. The disamb. page more so than any individual article. It's not cluttering, it's helping everyone. To go against it based on some obscure WP rule is arguing on strictly formal grounds (and provisional ones, as rules are constantly changing) against substance. Thank you for not reverting again the edit defining "sounding" in archaeology. Once I started a simple Google search, I've found immediately an endless number of examples and will use some in the Archaeology and/or Stratigraphy (archaeology) articles to satisfy your demand for having the red link in an art. first, although I truly did have more pressing emergencies. As a rule, if I come across a situation like you have, where smth. potentially informative is insufficiently sourced, I always support researching and adding sources, rather than removing the useful item. Doing otherwise is counterproductive and going against Wikipedia's raison d'être. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 09:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you note and explanation. I completely agree that there needs to be an article on sounding/sondage and that red links help that process. However, since DAB pages are supposed to be navigation aids to content that already exists in Wikipedia pages, putting a link to archaeology (where sounding isn't mentioned) and an external link isn't the best approach. I would suggest adding the information to Archaeology terms or another article, and re-wording the entry on the DAB page. I should have suggested this at the time (or done it myself) but my brain didn't quite get that far. Leschnei (talk) 12:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinsa
Hi @Leschnei, the Pinsa is the product thay know in all over the world. Please check someone of this article. Are into the major blog's on food sector. 1.https://www.pmq.com/what-is-pinsa 2.https://www.webstaurantstore.com/blog/3342/what-is-pinsa.html 3.https://www.finecooking.com/article/how-to-make-pinsa 4.https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/pinsa-pizza-dough-recipe-crust-cheese-rome-italy-a9350971.html 5.https://ny.eater.com/2017/9/11/16291096/camillo-pinsa-prospect-leffert-gardens-opening. Also 2 New York Times article: 1.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/nyregion/review-at-pax-romana-in-white-plains-eating-as-the-romans-mostly-do.html?searchResultPosition=2 2.https://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/when-in-rome-eat-like-an-expat/?searchResultPosition=1&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=CF2D80AF9618DAC7E6E49931D0EFB74F&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL please give me the option to insert the content on the Pinsa page, we can also leave the disambiguity at the top of the text. I'm wait you reply Peel2388 (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Re this edit etc....
Thanks for reverting, the editor was referring to the persistent and ongoing trolling/vandalism that Edit filter 1120 is now stopping (thank goodness!) and that E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt) obliquely refers to. (More information can be found at this Know Your Meme article. The discussion which preceded the edit filter's creation can be found at this Edit filter request. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 16:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

revert of addition to Al-Watan disambiguation page
Please cite your claim from MOS:DABPAGES that no entry may appear on a disambiguation page if there is not some reference to it from within the encyclopedia, and that there is no exception to such a rule.

I am not advocating "promiscuity" with regard to disambiguation entries, but it's easy to make a case, in the context of newspaper names, tendency of newspaper names to change over ;;time, and the overlap in terms of coverage, that this entry on the disambiguation page would help to reduce the confusion.

However, there is no dispute in the difficulty of identifying references to any specific publication called "Al Watan". That must explain why you missed the "Al Watan (Palestine)" reference on Ghazi Hamad. Fabrickator (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , the 'rule' that I was following is Items appearing within other articles. The logic (such as it is) that I follow is this: DAB pages are navigation tools to help readers find existing information. It is not a list of things that happen to have the name of the DAB page in their title but are not mentioned in any article - that is of no use to the reader.


 * In the case of Al-Watan, I was simply wrong - I searched for Al-Watan Palestine but didn't find Ghazi Hamad. Maybe there was a typo that I didn't catch. I have returned Al Watan (Palestine) to the DAB page with a link to Ghazi Hamad. In the description I left out 'shut down by Palestinian authorities in 1996' since it is not mentioned in Ghazi Hamad and is the kind of detail that should go in an article rather than on a DAB page. Thanks for pointing out my error. Leschnei (talk) 12:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * As I read, this is not about whether the item should be on the disambiguation page, but just about whether a link to the page referencing this item ought to be included. I am pretty much ambivalent about the link back to Ghazi Hamad, because that page provides one isolated piece of information about the newspaper, and knowing who was or who was not the editor during a particular period of time is unlikely to be helpful at disambiguating this newspaper from the others.
 * OTOH, the fact the the newspaper has been defunct since 1996 is clearly likely to be very useful for disambiguation purposes, e.g. If I happen to be come across an article published in "Al Atwan" in 2005, I can instPantly rule out that it had been published in this Hamas-owned newspaper. I therefore feel that the brief information regarding when and why it ceased operations ought to be included.
 * As an aside of sorts, I would compare this to a "list of" page, such as List of unaccredited institutions of higher education (inasmuch as this disambiguation page does in fact include a "list of publications named Al Watan"). There are entries such as "Alexandria University, Nevada" and "Academy of Natural Therapies", the former not linking to any other pages, while the latter includes ancillary information which might he helpful in determining whether there is any connection with another school of the same name.  Fabrickator (talk) 16:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , you make some very good points. This is really a question of what a DAB page should be and how it differs from a list article. List of unaccredited institutions of higher education is an excellent example of why I dislike list articles. I have copyedited lists like this in the past but usually it's a thankless task; they just fill up again with garbage questionable entries.


 * To me, DAB pages are like the index of a book; if a topic isn't at least mentioned in the book, it would be ridiculous to list it in the index. I agree that having information about the Palestinian newspaper on the DAB page would help readers determine which article they are looking for. On the other hand, including 'shut down by Palestinian authorities' without a reference in a linked article may not be a good idea. Perhaps it would be helpful and sufficient to include the year that it went out of business. Leschnei (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, for the most part, my reaction is to just generally ignore "list" articles.


 * As a point of interest, I got into this while trying to fix links for english.aljazeera.net and so I came across this affected wikilink as part of the same edit.  It was quite perplexing to figure out what this alleged Palestinian "version" of Al Watan was, and at one point, I thought it might have been the "hardcopy" predecessor to the online Donia al-Watan, but the aspect of it getting shut down by authorities (temporarily, at first, then permanently) helped to satisfy me that this was a distinct publication.


 * FWIW, I referenced List of unaccredited institutions of higher education not because I thought it was a great example of a "list" article, I would certainly have preferred a DAB page, but I just didn't feel the need to find the perfect example. I do realize that we look to the "hardcopy" world for an idea of how an online encyclopedia ought to be defined, but an online encyclopedia is different. We should embrace the difference and not be constrained by how things work in a more traditional context.  But to be clear, I really don't see a reason to prefer any of your proposals over my original edit.  Fabrickator (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * - and that's why we Ignore all rules! Leschnei (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

removal of Olex (Oil company) from disambiguation page Olex
Hi Leschnei, why did you remove one of the biggest European oil companies of the first half of the 20th century from the dsambiguation page? You see the interlink with de:WP - so an easy and short look should underline that the company does need a mention in en:WP - I do not know, why it is still missing. Stephan Hense (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Stephan Hense@undefined, actually there was no link at all, but I should have checked German Wikipedia. I've added it back as . If that title doesn't seem appropriate, please change it. Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 13:07, 13 March 2021 (UTC)