User talk:LeszekB

Interwiki
Please remeber to add interwiki and report your Poland-related articles on the new articles page above - thank you.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Wojciech Gerson
Hi, sorry to have gotten back to you so late. I honestly have no idea if Mr. Gerson is Jewish or not. I thought the same as you when I was writing the article and failed to find a source corroborating my assumption (in English, as I'm not fluent in Polish). Sorry I couldn't be of more help, Deyyaz [ Talk 03:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Hi. You deleted a valuable quotation from Włodzimierz Tetmajer article using a vague description in edit summary. I'd like to know what you meant by that? There's nothing wrong with providing (what you call) "professional" citations in Wikipedia. Also, it would help if you've explained your deletion on the article "talk page". - Editing help accessible to you through Cheatsheet suggest that: "A perfect Wikipedia article reflects expert knowledge... cited from reputable sources..." etc. --Poeticbent  talk  04:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I had no idea anyone would take a minor deletion so seriously. To me, the quote is very much filler while we should really be writing a thorough and lengthy biography about Tetmajer and his art, not simply glorifying him by quoting a single researcher. That was really my attempt, nothing more. LeszekB 03:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it’s commendable that you’ve expressed the desire to write a lengthy biography about Tetmajer. I wish you good luck. For now, try not to make it appear smaller and emptier than before. Besides, your deletion was not minor. Ks. dr. Józef Andrzej Nowobilski is a man of the cloth. --Poeticbent  talk  05:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course Goscinny was Jewish !
Dear sir,

First Simkha is a Jewish name,

second, this comes from goscinny.net René Goscinny voit le jour au 42, rue du Fer-à-Moulin, dans le 5e arrondissement de Paris, à 7 heures du matin. Etre né une veille de jour férié lui fera dire plus tard qu'il est en réalité un "paresseux contrarié" ! Son père, Stanislas (dit Simkha) Goscinny, né à Varsovie, est ingénieur chimiste. Sa mère, Anna, née Beresniak, est originaire de Khordorkow, un village d'Ukraine rayé aujourd'hui de la carte par ce qu'on appelle pudiquement les vicissitudes de l'histoire. '''Anna se souvenait des pogroms. Elle évoquait souvent les hommes à cheval rentrant dans les maisons pour les brûler. En particulier dans celle de ses parents, son père étant le rabbin du village. Anna et les siens vont émigrer à Paris, où ils exerceront le métier d'imprimeur. Ils sont d'ailleurs les auteurs et imprimeurs d'un célèbre dictionnaire hébreu-yiddish.''' Stanislas et Anna se sont rencontrés à Paris et se sont mariés en 1919. Claude, frère aîné de René, est né le 10 décembre 1920. Translation of the bold passage : Anna (Goscinny's mother) remembered the pogroms. She often evoked men on horses, getting in the houses to burn them. In particular in her parent's, as her father was the local rabbi. Anna and her relatives emigrate to Paris, where they will work as book printers. They are by the way the authors and printers of a renowned dictionnary Hebrew-Yiddish.

A little further, it states that, while Goscinny's family had emigrated to Argentina, their relatives in France didn't escape the Holocaust.

The fact that he is Jew is well-known though not publicized. According to Uderzo, Goscinny's humor was totally Jewish, yet no Jews appear in none of his comics until Goscinny's death. A French Jewish journalist, Didier Patamonik, emphasized this in his book "La Diaspora des Bulles" (The Comics' Diaspora - Jews and comics) Goscinny had his own chapter as did Schuster and Siegel, among others. Anne Goscinny, Rene's daughter, born of a non-Jewish mother, harshly critisized this book, only to be rebuked by French Jewish authors (that ordinarily didn't emphasized their Jewishness either) - an example is Olivier Ogrojnowsky, normally signing O'Groj, who wrote a column in the French comics magazine Bodoi in which he claims (that has been admitted since then) that Asterix the Gaul recounts, though not exclusively, the resistance of the shtetls (the Goscinny's hometown "diseappeared in what is pudically called vicissitudes of history", again from goscinny.net) to Russians and Nazis.

Yours,--Inyan 07:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Tetmajer
Włodzimierz Tetmajer didn't write poetry. It was his half-brother Kazimierz Przerwa-Tetmajer, who subsequently died in Warsaw. You've mistaken one for the other. --Poeticbent  talk  14:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Polish composers/painters/other lists of Poles

 * Hey again. Noticed your cleanup call on the noticeboard. I wish to remove all names of everyone who was not born on Polish territory (or lived their lives there) from the List of Poles and List of Polish Jews unless a reliable source says that they are indeed "Polish." Would you support this move? LeszekB 18:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

What I am mostly concerned with are the names in red (linking nowhere) which make the lists look amateurish and almost useless. That's why I really liked how you moved the whole lot of the red names to Talk:List of Poles. It was a move in the right direction. I'd like to encourage you to do the same with the List of Polish painters. --Poeticbent  talk  19:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I was going to do that for all lists of Poles but got side-tracked by the constant readditions of non-Polish "Poles" to List of Poles and List of Polish Jews. I've cleared away many of them on List of Poles already, but there is strong resistance on List of Polish Jews, a list that appears to have more foreign names than Polish ones. A similar thing is happening at List of Ukrainians where Polish names are being added. If we got a small group of people working together to remove these names and keep them from readdition pending a reliable reference to there supposed "Polishness" or "Ukrainianness" we could get these lists back in shape. Would you support the moves described previously? LeszekB 19:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Please take into account that many Polish naturals (including Polish Jews) are known under names and surnames that do not sound Polish. It is a fact well represented in literature. The joint history of the Polish and the Jewish nation goes back for over half a millennium. Meanwhile, the opening paragraph of who the Pole is states that the Poles are not only the citizens of Poland "irrespective of their ethnicity", but also Polish emigrants. Polish minorities including Polish Jews have greatly contributed to our country. Please use caution when dealing with this subject. I'd suggest you focus on fixing the dead links first. --Poeticbent  talk  20:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Whether their surnames sound Polish or not isn't the point. What the article Poles says is irrelevant, as you can tell from the population count, which includes the millions of Americans with a Polish grandpa. The point is that the lists include people who were not born in Poland, don't speak the Polish language, never lived a portion of their lives in Poland, and/or in all likelihood don't even consider themselves Polish. If they did, then certainly SOME place online or in a magazine or newspaper would describe these people as "Polish." In which case, there is no problem if they are on the list. I am fully aware of everything you said in your lecture to me, and none of that has anything to do with the fact that the lists are full of people who are by no definition "Polish," simply of Polish connection. I suggest you look at the scope of inclusion in which both List of Polish Jews and List of Ukrainians exercises to see my point. LeszekB 00:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do see your point. And of course, I didn't mean to lecture you. I was just expressing my concerns over the fact that it is hard to fathom why anyone would want to insist on adding names of presumed Poles, Jews and Ukrainians where they don't belong. Or do the contributors know so little about their own kind? The red links are a red flag for me though. Please carry on with what you're doing. You have my support. --Poeticbent  talk  03:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Lists of Poles
Masz moje calkowite poparcie / You have my full support.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

right, you have my full support... we probably should apply more explicit and strict standards to these articles (the lists are messy). I have a little less problem with the list of Galicians as this is not national list and, by definition, many nationalities can be mixed. The problem is what qualifies to be "Galician". I'd say that birthplace of the person (and not of e.g. the parents), maybe few else conditions. But I'm afraid, Mibelz applies his own vague standards (and according to them I'm a Jew, Galician, German, Ukrainian maybe... and maybe Polish too... for sure a Polish nationalist, at least at the list level ;-) ) Unfortunately, discussing it is pointless. Verifying his numerous entries does not excite me either. At least for the moment. Sadly, I had enough of this. I have to take a breath and refrain from editing for a while. --Beaumont (@)  10:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Translation of a map
Hi, I would like to translate this map: Image:Ziemia Obiecana MAPA.svg, can you give me a translation in english of the caption? thanks a lot --Kimdime69 23:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks;)--Kimdime69 21:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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