User talk:Lfh/Archive 1

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Computational chemistry
I think your edit to Computational chemistry is fine. At some point, it might be moved off to a sub-page. This article needs a complete overall cleanup. However, I am less happy about the fact that you broke five links in that edit - two by changing semiempirical to semi-empirical, two by changing Huckel method to Hückel method, and one by changing caps to small in the Generalized valence bond (GVB) link. I have fixed all of these while retaining your spelling in the article itself. When you change anything in a link, please check it still works and also fix it so it goes direct to the article not via a redirect. --Bduke 22:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV edit to MK Dons F.C.
A good edit to text that had already been toned down(!) from a rather vituperative first version! It'll be interesting to see if yours survives.

But I'm interested to know why you wrote that Max Griggs "franchised" the creation of R&D - it is curious word to use. You might want to look at Professional sports league organization and Relocation of professional sports teams, as this is a complete minefield! (The article "Franchise (sports) collapsed to a redirect to a disambig in the course of discussion). --Concrete Cowboy 19:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Area format
Hi Lfh. I agree with your suggestion and have commented to that effect Peter Shearan 16:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Dr Reid
Sorry, you're right to remove the iniial Dr from John Reid. I should have read WP:MOSBIO properly! :) --BrownHairedGirl 22:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I made the same mistake. Apologies. Shotlandiya

Murali the leg-spinner
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Bloomsbury, London
Good edits. Good use of language. Nice one. SilkTork 23:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I've fiddled a bit. The naming convention for London boroughs is to do with the article names, not with referencing them in other articles, when the more informal or common term can or indeed should be employed - especially when the word London already appears in the sentence. I've taken your cue on the Southampton Row-Woburn Place road and tidied that up so it makes more sense. I cut down the listing of the areas bordering Bloomsbury and attempted to name them all in a descriptive way. General readers find it difficult to simply take in lists of names. I shall be looking more closely at the intro to the article later - at the moment there is a heavy list of colleges which needs cutting down before somebody falls asleep attempting to plough through it! Regards. SilkTork 00:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I see your point about the boroughs not being significant enough to appear in the first sentence. I haven't approached the London Project yet, but plan to anyway regarding the large template which contains information more relevant to a city template than an area of a city. This would also be a matter to raise with them. Are you a member of the project? SilkTork 15:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not a member of any project, I just come and go as I please really. As for district names we currently seem to have reached a compromise along the lines of "X is an area/suburb of n/s/e/w London in the London Borough of Y, located Z miles n/s/e/w of Charing Cross".  It could be changed but there are a lot of district articles and someone would have to go through all of them - though having said that, they are not consistent even now. Lfh 22:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Partial oxidation
Hi, Lfh, thanks for the translation of Partial oxidation, two comments; 1 orphan files, on the left, what links here, you can have a check on which articles are linking to the newly created article, i made one link on Syngas, so people reading the article on syngas are aware that the article on Partial oxidation also exists (directly related). second the category, click on the category, most of the times there are interwikilinks there as well to find the right category in the other language, if you dont do it yourself, somebody else has to do it. The tranlation proces, the new setup is a bit to complex, good thing is you found the article to translate, (step, 1) the next steps are for people who have interest in it to follow them, feel free, to do so, or just leave it. , in fact every reader of the article is a proofreader, so i dont see the sense of tagging the article as, needs proofreading. so, thanks and feel free, Cheers. Mion 13:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:DATE for correct formatting instructions
Hi. I modified your edits to Andy Ganteaume because they were not in compliance with WP:DATE. Please note that places of birth and death are not to be entangled within the bracketed lifespan of the individual. Thank you. Cheers, CP 00:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Andrea Berg
Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for picking up this one at WP:TRANSL. Chubbles (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, well, I also had a request in for Georg Österreich (de:Georg Österreich), which is an Exzellente Artikel. Dunno if it would interest you, though. Chubbles (talk) 13:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Günter Deckert
I have nominated Günter Deckert, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Günter Deckert. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Dloh cierekim  15:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)    Dloh  cierekim  15:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Euros Childs
Hi Garik, I'm interested in getting an IPA pronunciation of Euros Childs's name put on his page, and I'm told you might be up to it. Lfh (talk) 09:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done (I'm assuming he pronounces his surname like standard English "child's"). garik (talk) 12:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Ail Symudiad
I don't know much about them, they were around late 70's early 80's I think (although a lot of bands from that era still perform these days intermittently). Thieir stuff are still played on Radio Cymru today, and at their 'prime' they would would have been considered very notable in Welsh speaking Wales. Problem is, no one who doesn't speak speak Welsh would know who they are and as they're from a different era, there's going to be next to nothing on the net about them. Proving their notability on the English Wikipedia might be difficult - this wiki is terribly Anglo-centric. If you feel the urge to start an article about them and need help with some translating, I'd be glad to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhyswynne (talk • contribs) 20:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Milton Keynes skyline
Thanks for the message. I've taken several pictures of the skyline, but they're all from the same vantage points, that is Gatcombe, Chatsworth and Attingham Hill (all roads in Great Holm). I keep meaning to get out and take some other angles. One of the best angles to be had is from the A5 near Abbey Hill roundabout. Another is from Portway (H5) between Grange Farm and Medbourne. I hope to get shots from both soon! Tom walker (talk) 20:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Warwickshire
High Lfh, I'm just writing to check why you put the final "r" back on the phonetic transcription of "Warickshire". In standard British English, the phonetic transcription has no "r", because we don't pronounce final "r"s in any words (except Geordies and Scots and in the South West). You said this was because "it's a broad transcription".

Could you clarify, is this a linguistic term or a wiki policy I don't know about?

Cheers--Boynamedsue (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I support Boynamedsue's comments.

rhotic |ˈrōtik| adjective Phonetics of, relating to, or denoting a dialect or variety of English, e.g., Midwestern American English, in which r is pronounced before a consonant (as in hard) and at the ends of words (as in far). DERIVATIVES rhoticity |rōˈtisətē| noun ORIGIN 1960s: from Greek rhot-, stem of rho (see rho ) + -ic . (Courtesy of Apple dictionary)'' and have reverted the edit.--Kudpung (talk) 02:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Kudpung. Transcribing names rhotically even in non-rhotic parts of the Anglophone world is a Wikipedia convention (I'm not sure whether it counts as a "policy"), whose rationale is described here (you have to click on "Understanding the Key").  Edit warring over an r would be quite grim, so I'll leave it be, but you might want to look at this discussion which arose from just such an edit war (about the r in "Melbourne").  One neat solution is to use a "rhotacised schwa",  (mentioned in a footnote to the IPA key), in place of, which satisfies the pan-dialectal requirements of WP:IPAEN without actually mentioning the letter r.  But as I say, I'll leave it be.  Cheers  Lfh (talk) 10:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Lfh. as a professional linguist and lexicographer, I  have no  problems with  the IPA. I do however object  to  American linguistic hegemony, and their claims of ipsissima verba to  all Wikipedia content,  and we've have several run-ins already with them  vandalising articles about British places. I have  reviewed the sources you  provided, but I personally  cannot  locate any  Wiki  policy  of the kind  you  describe. I  do  in fact perceive that  they come out in  favour of the standard local (or national) pronunciation for places in  English speaking  countries. Warwickshire was never rhotic. The threads you  mentioned refer to  'standard English' of which  of course there is no  such  thing. There is indeed Standard American, and there is British RP, but  I  do  not  feel  that it  is the task  of the Wikipedia (or any other encyclopedia) to  be proscriptive - there are too  many  officially  recognised 'standard' forms  of the language including  those taught  in  India and in other Asian countries.  In  the case of Warwicks, it  might  be different if there were a county  in  the US  called Warwickshire, but  to  my  knowledge there isn't, and if there were, it's insignificant. The pronuciation  of Melbourne, the subject  of the discussion  you  cited, is an interesting one. It  is definitely  non-rhotic: the Brits pronounce it  Melbawn, while the Australian themselves abbreviate the pronunciation  even more to  Melb'n. Just  because there is a r in the orthography, does not follow that  it  must  be included in  any transcription  systems, even if the American pronunciation  puts it  in  where it's not  needed. if they  saw it written as Melbawn, or Melbn, they  would probably  pronounce it  correctly! Interesting  discussion Lfh, have a happy  New Year. Kind regards, --Kudpung (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again, thanks for the quick reply. I should also have pointed you to the Manual of Style, particularly this bit:

"'...the Help:IPA for English key, designed for readers who are unfamiliar with the IPA, simply defines the sequence /ər/ as the sound at the end of runner, and warns that it may not be distinct from /ə/ for some people.'" (Sorry for forgetting that before.) I don't perceive any American hegemony here, and I don't think transcribing English placenames rhotically constitutes vandalism. As you say, there are many national standards of English, but WP:IPAEN is specific about which it accommodates: RP, American, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand. Together these form a "generic English" from which readers can derive their own pronunciations. It's not meant to be phonetically precise, but rather deliberately broad; and that cuts all ways - e.g. we transcribe Oregon with initial even though General American has no. Whenever you use the "pron-en" or "IPA-en" templates, then WP:IPAEN is the system you are referring to. For detailed questions, you would need to ask at that talk page. But as the manual says, you can also give phonetically precise local pronunciations, which will display in square brackets rather than slashes, and will not link to WP:IPAEN. For example this has been done at Whitstable and Luton.


 * Happy New Year to you too! Lfh (talk) 10:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, forgive my belated reply  to  this. There is nothing  that  states that pronunciations that  are not  used should be made up   then transliterated into the IPA. The purpose of the IPA is to accurately - and internationally - describe utterances in such a manner that they  can  be reasonably accurately produced by  anyone who  uses the UPA. I  think  we can safely  leave it  to  the Brits to  know how their place names are officially  pronounced. In the same way  as the British  are not  prescriptive as to  how Americans should pronounce their place names, it  is not  the place in  Wikipedia for a consensus of few to  redefine the  established practices for  the use of  the IPA. --Kudpung (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've raised a question at Wikipedia talk:IPA for English. I believe I'm following WP convention, but hopefully we'll get some clarification this way.  Lfh (talk) 15:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of how the IPA is used - it's a question  how the words, and in  this case, the place names, are pronounced, and it should  probably neither be   the role of the Wikipedia, nor of its of  American editors  to  decide how the Brits  should be pronouncing their own ace names. thT USA does not  have a monopoly  over the Wikipedia.--Kudpung (talk) 16:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * A brit knows how to prounce a town/city/village/suburb/hamlet in most of the UK. The IPA would never change the way we pronounce places in the UK so why pronounce it diffrently on Wikipedia, it proves nothing. This will just confuse people and brits would just see it as wrong pronunciation. An example would be Corby, Northamptonshire - it is pronounced Corbe.Likelife (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar enough with the phonetic transcription conventions, but I live in Warwickshire, and it is pronounced 'worik-shuh' --Ukslim (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously the Brit pronunciation. Its a place name.
 * If you were in Stratford and asked how to get to "waickshire" then people would say "sorry that place does not exist", even though you were in WarwickshiThe use of the word is prior to any linguistic phonetic model. The position of the "phonetic realists" is laughable here IMO, they have forgotten the distinction between description and prescription. Leonig Mig (talk) 12:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

INDENT. I'm not sure what you mean with "waickshire" - nobody has said anything about the first part of the name (i.e. the "Warwick" part). If you want a closer look at the arguments, there was a discussion at Wikipedia talk:IPA for English, albeit very long and not terribly conclusive. Lfh (talk) 12:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was proposing a thought experiment - not referring to whatever the invalid assertion you made was. I understand nobody has proposed "waickshire", I just rendered that as an example of a possible pronunciation which would not be valid in use. Leonig Mig (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see some of the Brits now coming out of the woodwork and offering  their opinions on this. As most  of you  know, I stormed off the  IPA talk page in  disgust  while trying  to  defend the Brits' right  to  have their place names written correctly  in  the IPA.  Two  wrongs don't  make a right, but I'm sorely  tempted to  put  an 's' at  the end of Arkansas and a 'k' in  the middle of Connecticut and say  that's how they  should be pronounced!. Stay  tuned, things are going to  heat up  soon - in total compliance with  Wikipedia policy! --Kudpung (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just make sure you stick to arguments about language, and about what our readers want, and not "Brits vs Americans". Remember this is about how we use the IPA to inform people, not about people "forcing" pronunciations on each other.  And please don't send out any more mass-messages telling people that I'm "non-British" and encouraging them to take issue with me.  Everyone has been perfectly polite, for which I'm grateful, but still, that wasn't very civil.  I can see you're passionate, but just remember to use that in a positive way. Lfh (talk) 14:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to be sure that we all stick to  policy here, could you please provide the diffs where I  have stated that  you  personally  are 'non British' so that I can observe good form and good faith by offering you  an apology? Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 10:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's one: 1. Lfh (talk) 10:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Pinyin .oggs
You should add one for "q" as well. Badagnani (talk) 19:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have any sound files that contrast aspiration, though I guess we could link both letters to the same recording if you think that's better? Lfh (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Scout Motto
Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Lfh (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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I looked up what I could, but there's barely anything in the IPA charts about affricates in general (with the exception of the palato-alveolars). The only thing I could really do was add a blank infobox linking to the sound file. Hope that helps! » byeee 19:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The Holocaust
Lfh, just to let you know there is a discussion ongoing here. Do you care to weigh in with an opinion? Bus stop (talk) 22:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello - thanks for letting me know, after that discussion went quiet for a while.
 * I don't think the image is inappropriate, and I'm not going to debate the aesthetics of it, which seems to be where the discussion is going. I just think that the lead image for such an important article should be properly identified - at very least a location - as per WP:IMAGE.  I'll try asking the user who uploaded it (User:FrummerThanThou) for more information.  If that doesn't get us anywhere, I'll bring it up again at Talk:The Holocaust when the current discussion has settled down. Lfh (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Re
that culpa was not magna ;) Skäpperöd (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC) ...and thank you for fixing ... Skäpperöd (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Re (2) done. Skäpperöd (talk) 19:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Ysbeidiau Heulog
Hi Lfh, noticed you added an IPA pronunciation to the Mwng page - would you be able to do the same thing for "Ysbeidiau Heulog"? Cheers Cavie78 (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)