User talk:LiberalProgressive

I have cited all references for my quotations by providing external web links to material published by the Jewish Task Force's Hebrew forum run by Mr. Victor Vancier. Albeit the added external web links are in Hebrew they may be easily translated from Hebrew into English via the use of an online translation tool such as Google's Language Toolshttp://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en.LiberalProgressive (talk) 12:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Victor Vancier
Forums are not considered reliable sources here on Wikipedia. For example, there is no editorial oversight, and what proof do you have that the person himself wrote the posts? Anyone can register to a forum under a pseudonym. As contentious claims in a biography of a living person, these need solid sources. Try searching Google News; reputable news outlets would typically be considered reliable. Elizium23 (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

"what proof do you have that the person himself wrote the posts? Anyone can register to a forum under a pseudonym."

Elizium23: I have PLENTY of proof. The posts originate on Mr. Vancier's Hebrew website UNDER HIS OWN HEBREW NAME. You cannot possibly be serious that it is not him. You have got to be joking. Are you seriously suggesting that Mr. Vanicer is impersonating himself as "Chaim Ben Pesach" (his Hebrew name) on his very own Hebrew web site?

It is IMPOSSIBLE to register on Mr. Vancier's website Hebrew forum (Hayamin.org/f) in order to impersonate him '''because it is IMPOSSIBLE to register with the EXACT same user name TWICE on a forum powered by "Simple Machines".

It is also IMPOSSIBLE to have the exact same user statistics, exact same registration date from several years ago, exact same posts, exact same threads and so on, therefore you Elizium23 sir/madam are DEAD WRONG.

Victor Vancier wrote those anti-Christian/anti-Gentile posts in Hebrew himself under his own Hebrew name of "Chaim Ben Pesach". If you had even bothered to do a cursory examination of the source material in Hebrew from HIS VERY OWN WEB SITE (Hayamin.org) you would have realized this.

I am re-posting my edits because I have SOLID PROOF WHICH IS UNDENIABLE since it is published on Mr. Vancier's Hebrew forum under his own Hebrew name of "Chaim Ben Pesach".LiberalProgressive (talk) 08:31, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Please read and understand WP:RS. You are making contentious claims about a living person, which have to be documented in secondary sources with good editorial oversight and a reputation for fact checking. Furthermore, read and understand WP:NPOV. Wikipedia articles must have a neutral point-of-view, and it appears to me that you are backing a biased claim against this person. Your edits have contained not merely quotes from the forums, but you have drawn your own conclusions about what they mean. The relevant policy on this is at WP:NOR. Once again, find secondary sources that support your claims and you are more than welcome to add cited material to the article. Until then, your changes will not stand. Elizium23 (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)