User talk:Lid/Archive 1

Hello!
Thanks for uploading some pictures to Wikipedia. I wanted to make sure you were aware of some of the requirements and good practices for uploaded images.


 * Pick an image name.
 * When uploading an image, pick a file name that is descriptive, and unique. Remember that many images may be uploaded about the same topic, and remember that names are case sensitive.


 * Source the image.
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 * This part is a little bit trickier, but it's very important. The copyright of the image generally belongs to whomever created it.
 * If it's a photograph you took, or an image you created (modifying an image that already exists doesn't count) in software like Photoshop or GIMP, then you own the copyright. To upload it to Wikipedia, you must agree to license it under the GFDL (which allows anyone to use it, but requires that they give credit to the original author and requires that any further edit to the image be licensed under the GFDL as well) or release it into the public domain (which allows anyone to use it for any purpose without restriction.)  Do this by placing an appropriate tag on the image description page, like &#123;{GFDL}} or &#123;{PD}}.  Be sure to mention that you created the image.  If you're using &#123;{PD}}, you may also want to use &#123;{NoRightsReserved}}, since there is some dispute as to whether one may grant items into the public domain.
 * If you didn't create the image, or the copyright somehow belongs to another party (like a screenshot, which you might "create", but the copyright belongs to the author of the movie or video game), then you need to find another tag that describes the copyright status of the image. Images used on Wikipedia need to be free for our use and the use of sites which reproduce our content.  This means that images cannot have a restriction such as "only for use by Wikipedia", or "for non-commercial use only", or "for educational use".  Images without a free license may be usable in certain articles under fair use, but such a use should be justified on the image description page.


 * Describe the image.
 * To another reader, the image may not be immediately understood. A caption in an article doesn't explain the image to a visitor who sees it on its image page.  Put a brief explanation of what is in the image on the image description page, similar to what you might include in a caption on an article.

Some links to Wikipedia pages on this subject:

Copyrights, Copyright tags, Fair use, Image description page, Public domain, Images for deletion, Possibly unfree images, Copyright problems, Uploading images

Thanks again for your contributions. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me at my talk page. feydey 15:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Randy121
Thanks for the headup. Actually it's my fault. Should've seen that the block was old. I'll take care of it. --Woohookitty(meow) 09:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks --- Lid 09:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Punk
The reason I suggest the format is because then it stays on one line, and the original variant is not any less important that the current one. Also I question the reverse hurricanrana name, a move which is physically impossible. Maybe it should be Reverse Huracanrana (Reverse frankensteiner)?

↪Lakes (Talk) 11:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The reverse hurricanrana links to the reverse frankensteiner under throws rather than reverse frankensteiner under aerial. The distinction is for people to diffenciate that Punk does both the top rope and standing versions and that in modern wrestling the name frankensteiner is only ever used in the top rope version while it is in nearly every case referred to as a harracanrana rather than a frankensteiner. --- Lid 11:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Reverse huracanrana is an impossible move, even though people call the reverse frankenstainer that. I changed it so that the distinction between the top rope and the regular variation is clear.
 * ↪Lakes (Talk) 11:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Your message to me

 * Whoa! (just checked diffs). I'm not running a bot, but it looks like I should have reverted both those IP edits instead of just the first one. Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like you did the lions share of vandalfighting on that page.--inksT 02:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Unforgiven
Actually, the one he uploaded here says it's a screenshot and it looks like...a screenshot. If it's not linked to a page soon, it'll be deleted anyway. --Woohookitty(meow) 05:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Just so you're aware, I was about to remove this report from AIV as insufficienty warned (and, having stopped editing an hour ago) when User:Kukini came to the same conclusion. User:Randy121, by the way, was blocked one week ago for 24 hours, so this report also did not constitute edits by a "blocked user". Happy editing!  Radio Kirk   talk to me  16:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, though I labelled the user as a blocked user as the user was blocked indefinitely but it was changed and reduced. --- Lid 16:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, you saw that. Cool. :)  Radio Kirk   talk to me  16:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

hi Lid
Just wanted to say thanxs for your work maintaining the move articles reverting vandals and clean up the messes of some very weird contributers... oh one thing if you could help with any time your cleaning a move or writing one can you make sure it doesnt say "victim" or "attacker" but instead "opponent" and "attacking wrestler" then simply "wrestler" ... anyway keep up the good work. --- Paulley

Brainbuster
Slight difference... but almost the same the brainbuster doesnt see the opponent's legs thrown over allowing the attacking wrestler to drop them vertically on their heads --- Paulley

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
I have started your request for the creation of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards article. I'm not going to save a little throughout, so its going to be a red-link for a while until I get it completely finished. Cheers! — The King   of Kings  20:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem, it actually gave me something to do. A cross-reference would be great. At the bottom of the article we should list a few external links to where we got the info. — The King   of Kings  06:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

John Cena Mediation
Hi, I am mediating the John Cena dispute you submitted. Please feel free to participate in the mediation, and I encourage you to do so. Thanks - BrownHornet21 02:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, for the info. I just found out from Prowrestling.com that they made a mistake. It was a non-title match. Thanks again, User:Clay4president

Reverse cloverleaf
I had a look but ithink its just a move from the imagination of one of are anon users.. i take it its a clover leaf with an opponent facing up a hold that doesnt exist within wrestling so it should be removed -- Paulley
 * Figure Four Deathlock.. a standing figure four maybe --- Paulley

Jacknife Powerbomb
I share your abhorence for that article. Its horrible. But that doesn't make it a candidate for speedy deletion. CSD is specifically designed for certain types of deletion and becasue it basically is a delete on sight, it gives page creators little or no opportunity to fix mistakes. For that reason it must have very strict bounds on what does and does not count as a speedy. The rule of thumb is: if an admin as to look at anything other than the page itself, speedy is not appropriate. For example, if I have to go to Google to ee if the Jacknife Powerbomb is a real wrestling move, I shouldn't be speedying the article.

You can always use prod for obvious deletion candidates that don't fall into one of the speedy categories.

In the case of Jacknife Powerbomb, I have turned it into a redirect to Powerbomb. This has the effect of removing the egregiously bad text of the article without requiring a formal deletion. It also allows people searching on that term to find a decent article. The really good news is anyone can redirect like this (as long as there is an appropriate target article), it doesn't require admin powers. Good luck (and nice catch on the article), Gwernol 11:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

WrestleMania X8
Could you please help summarize this ? I keep telling him it's full of grammar errors, weasel words, and peacock terms, yet he still keeps adding it. If you could help me summarize the match to be consistent with other matches in the article I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.--3bulletproof16 21:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * TheTruth2 has been reported. If you would like to leave a comment concerning the situation please do so here. I find it strange that when he is referred to Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling show formatting or any other guideline for that matter, he claims that he has already read them and that his edits "still follows the guidelines". Signed up just 3 days ago... Yep TJ Spyke and I are dealing with a troll here.--3bulletproof16 22:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

TAKA
Sadly, American wrestling fans (of whom I was once one) are dumb enough to use Taco as a search term. The insult was used in WWE storylines by heels occasionally. Do not relist the redirects for deletion please. Best wishes, Xoloz 04:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you did the right thing nominating for RfD: it may well be that there is consensus that insulting redirects (even where relevant) shouldn't exist. I certainly wouldn't oppose that.  I just don't feel comfortable speedy deleting on that premise, because there is an argument to be had.  Best wishes, Xoloz 04:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * See also Slick Ric for the practice. Xoloz 04:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

AFD
You probably want to list that afd on 1st AUG rather than 31st JUL. Yomangani 00:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

CM Punk and the Anaconda Vice
People still keep changing this. I agree with you, this is the move's name in Japan (where it originated) and in ROH (where Punk's usage of it originated). Just because WWE has an ignorant redneck giving moves idiotic names doesn't mean that's correct. Anyway, this looks like it could be a real edit war, but I thought I should bring it to your attention, since you reverted it once already. Tromboneguy0186 05:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Aaron Stevens
I'm watching SD! right now (I live in Canada), and his ring name IS Idol Stevens. -- Dubh agan  01:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bottage
[] still doesn't link to anything. Am I missing something? alpha Chimp laudare 20:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I get it. I wasn't reading what you were writing correctly. I'm working on it right now. alpha Chimp  laudare 20:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the 3 on top of this page and tell me if that's what you're looking for me to do. The typo part of the edit summary is an error, but it's not hurting anything. alpha Chimp  laudare 20:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yah. I'm doing that too. I'll report back when I'm done. alpha Chimp  laudare 20:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All done. I ran through everything that links to the list of professional wrestling throws. I think I've got the bad links effectively eliminated. Check out for the replacements. I hope that helped. Let me know if you need any further assistance, or if I missed something.  alpha Chimp  laudare 23:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You?
You were the one who shortened the botch article? An encyclopedia article shouldn't get shorter. Change the article back. Torax2 04:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Subst:
When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use &#123;&#123;subst:test&#125;&#125; instead of &#123;{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Thanks--1568 04:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

???
What do you mean my rationale makes no sense? Torax2 17:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Bottage
Sorry. Let me know if you want me to do it when I get back. alpha Chimp laudare 17:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
Please dont flag for deletion just because you have not heard of him. See fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Venant and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saint-Venant

Sally Gardner
You tagged Sally Gardner for speedy deletion. I wanted to let you know that the article has now been significantly expanded, and demonstrates that she is a notable English children's author. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 10:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it
How come my article is being deleted? I am fairly new to Wiki, and I don't see other articles being deleted and they are stubs...Is that serious to get all bent out of shape over? Good god...like you have never made a mistake!

I guess
Did I say you singled me out for personal attacks? No! I merely asked a question, because I am fairly new to wikipedia, and there is still so much to learn here. It's not like you have never made a mistake. You still have failed to answer my question as to why aren't you deleting all the other stubs out there? It's not fair. I come accross many of them a day and you don't lay a hand to delete them. May I ask what is a Vanity article?

Why your at it, you should also check out other supermodels thread who should be deleted...Selita EBanks, Miranda Kerr...I can tell you that probably about 99 percent of this so-called "info" on wiki has some mistakes in it..yet many of these articles have been up here for years...*rolling eyes*

I see
I apoligize...I'm still a bit frustrated with wiki.

Signature moves
I left some comments for you here: Talk:Chris Hero. Jonathan Burgess 22:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied with hopefully more clear descriptions. Jonathan Burgess 17:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll have to get back to you on those other moves, he sometimes has different names for the same move, so I've got to make sure I'm thinking of the right one. Jonathan Burgess 19:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I may have seen it, but I've never heard that name used. I guess it should be taken off the list. Sorry, I shouldn't have said to repost it to begin with. Jonathan Burgess 07:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Rubix Cube is a piledriver from the electric chair position, like Joker's finisher. Jonathan Burgess 22:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, piledriver was the wrong word. Michinoku driver is a better way to describe it. It's actually like a single version of the finisher the Kings of Wrestling have been using. I'll use Michinoku driver to describe that as well. There's a picture on the Kings of Wrestling page that shows them doing it. Jonathan Burgess 20:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Nick Mondo used to do pretty much the same thing. Jonathan Burgess 19:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Samoa Joe
No I did not hear back from him. I suspect he doesn't want that info to get out. James  Duggan  00:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Might as well. -- James   Duggan  00:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Japanesse armdrag
I know the move but i cant really discrib it and it doesnt have an entry with the other arm drags... though the move does resemble a wrist lock suplex of sorts so maybe its on that page.. anyway i was hoping you could help me find it or add it if possible thanxs --- Paulley 22:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. someones done a large edit on the Ganso bomb that is in need of attention but i dont know much about how it origionated either.
 * lol, i thought you'd might say that... i can see it in my head... oh wait here is a video clip of one, its a kinda overhead armdrag --- Paulley
 * Thanxs --- Paulley 02:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kennedy finisher
OK yes it may well be called the JFK, but this is an encyclopedia, we have to have more proof than just an interview that only you listened to stating that that is the name of the move. As far as I know when Kennedy was on Byte This he stated that the moves were called unofficially-- the Green Bay Plunge and the Lambeau leap, so those are OK to remain, but as far as an interview that only you listened to, that is not verifiable and I will again put up that a citation is needed. If you persist on deleting that then I will delete the name of the move. Thanks for you cooperation. --Fr3nZi3 15:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well thanks for your message, I was going to advise you to put it up on the talk page, but you have already done that. Proof was all that was needed that is why I requested for a citation. --Fr3nZi3 03:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Finisher
if it was a finisher at one point in his career then it should be bolded no questions asked. --- Paulley

Steve Irwin
I will but it's only going to be vprotected for a couple more minutes. --Woohookitty(meow) 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Carrots
I've reverted your change of colour back to color in Carrots, because the rest of the article was written with American spellings. Manual_of_Style dictates leaving the article in whatever it was already in, unless there's a compelling subject-related reason to change it. Nothing against British spellings, mind you! Waitak 09:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I did, actually. Saw several uses of "color" and stopped looking... Now that you mention it, there are some uses of colour as well. Looks like seven occurrences with American usage, and five with British usage. No clue what policy is when it's a dialectical bouillabaisse like this. Should probably be one or the other. There's some argument for converting then all to American usage, because there are more of them at the moment, but it's a pretty weak argument. Waitak 09:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm having trouble seeing that. Looking at place references, there are:
 * Afghanistan
 * Netherlands
 * US
 * References to Britain, the European Union, Alaska and New Zealand in the trivia section
 * It doesn't seem like there's anything in the article itself that speaks for using either spelling. Waitak 09:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Vic Grimes
I just can't get through to user JB196. He continues to revert the article, reducing its quality claiming that he is not credited as "The Author" in the article itself. The issue is being brought up here help would be greatly appreciated. -- bullet proof  3:16 03:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages exist for a reason
Please use talk pages in the future before removing citation needed templates. You should know this being that you are an experienced Wikipedian, and I should not have to be telling you this. If something needs to be cited, it needs to be cited; the fact that Person A or Person B put the citation needed template makes no difference whatsoever. Please do not continue to remove citation needed templates as it constitutes disruption of Wikipedia. If you have citations for the wrestlers needing citations, then feel free to add those sources. You have disrupted two pages (Vic Grimes and Texas Wrestling Academy without even consulting the talk page before making said changes.JB196 15:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Delirious
Oops, guess the copy command didn't take. All fixed now. Oh, and I'm searching the US trademark database for others. So far I've only found Nigel McGuinness' real name. -- James  Duggan  04:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that
Yeah it was an accident. I just signed up probably 5 or 10 minutes ago, and I was under the impression everyone who just signed up created their own page or article. I didn't mean to create a pointless page about myself. I just simply thought it was normal to create an article about yourself if you were a new user. Is their any info you can give me to correct the situation?

ETod09 07:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)ETod09

Ohh ok i understand now, im just getting used to this site now and really like it so thanks for all your help 68.0.199.250 07:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

how come instead of giving my name in the signing, its giving a bunch of numbers instead?ETod09 07:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Faceplant
The standard faceplant is a jumping kneel out facebuster or a sitout facebuster, not a spinning kneel out facebuster--for your information. --Fr3nZi3 15:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. --Fr3nZi3 15:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Texas Wrestling Academy
Sorry I think I missed that part of the request, it is now semi-protected. --WinHunter (talk) 02:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: He just never gives up.

 * Very true. I find amusement in his attempts to get "his" articles deleted. Even as an IP it is futile. -- bullet proof  3:16 03:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * HAHAHA! A lame edit war in Lamest Edit Wars. How much lower is this whole thing going to get? lol. -- bullet proof  3:16 04:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You should add that one to WP:LAME too. -- bullet proof  3:16 04:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Redundant, however, very hilarious. -- bullet proof  3:16 04:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Haha
Yeah, I like to delete the vanity the second it gets created. By the way, do you still need those links moved? alpha Chimp (talk) 01:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look and see what I can do (tomorrow, I think). If I forget, just keep reminding me :). alpha Chimp (talk) 01:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

JTG
Observer says his name is Devon Driscoll, but his MySpace name is "Jayson Paul". It wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to be using someone elses name for his MySpace page. Either way neither of them is truly a trustworthy cite and I'm all for putting it back to "real name unknown" until it can be confirmed for good. Bdve 21:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Regarding User:Aiman abmajid
Aiman abmajid was initially blocked for uploading images with incorrect tags. After discussing it with Cyde, the blocking admin, I unblocked him, providing he did not continue in such a fashion and learned the correct way to tag images. This seems to be a different issue, but it does seem questionable; thanks for bringing it up. I've left a note on his talk page, along with yours and the other notes. We'll see where it goes. -- Nataly a 14:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Melina and Homicide finsihers
You are goign to have to explain to me why it is not practical to add Homicide to the Vertebreaker move and Melina to the Spinning kneel out facebuster move. It doesn't make sense. Melina is the only notable user of the move at the moment, and yes the move that Melina uses is high impact, compare to how other people in the past have used the move such as Victoria. Notably on the Smackdown before Survivor Series 2005, where Melina defeated Christy Hemme via this finsiher. She uses a variation where she comes off the ropes for added velocity before hitting the move. hence making it a lot different. if you are not going to keep Melina under the Spinning kneel out facebuster then it is only fair you delete Torrie and Ivory from the respective facebuster sections. Now onto Homicide, he is the most notable user of the mvoe at the moment. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, and a reference site, if someone is looking at that move, the person that they would most identlify to is Homicide which means he really should be there. On the facebuster section I am going ahead to add a section for the Spinning kneel-out facebuster, as it is a notable enough move to have its own section, then I am going to add Melina there as she is the current most popular ambassasdor of the move. I will also explain my decision on the talk page. Thanks for your cooperation.--Fr3nZi3 16:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

A well argued point. I can now see your reasoning, but I still dont see why you cannot add a subsection for the move itself, just like you have done for the sit out facebuster. Also with Melina's facbuster, she does not pull the hair of her opponent, she cups her hands round their head while she is in the air, to take them down. I still think there should be a subsection for the spinning kneel out facebuster, and melina should somewhat be added, considering she uses the move as her finisher --Fr3nZi3 15:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well lets wait and see as time goes by, I am not going to create a subsection now, but one may be required. As for adding Melina if she uses it often and creates a definitive name for the move, I see no problem with adding her. I think this issue of adding people to their signature moves is a major problem here on wikipedia, and I think ti is something that needs to be discussed with the community. Thanks for you help --Fr3nZi3 15:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually agree with your reasoning. --Fr3nZi3 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Agius
Sorry, I was reverting the removal of the PROD template and only saw your edit afterwards. -- Chodorkovskiy  (talk)  08:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

ROH world title
This is a different case. I guess you could say I've changed my mind on this. The ROH World Championship was never called the "ROH World Heavyweight Championship" except for a single stray online page and a casual reference here and there. Even before "world" was part of the belt's name, it was just called the "ROH Championship" or, equivalently, "ROH title." You'll notice, that on Low Ki, Xavier, and (where relevant) Samoa Joe I have kept this consistent. There might be a few other places where it's relevant ( Christopher Daniels comes to mind), but it really is not as if the belt's name JUST changed or something - we're the only ones who changed anything. Despite the fact that we may think "world heavyweight championship" was and is a better name, it's not the belt's name and never was. Tromboneguy0186 07:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Feel free, but I've seen every show from March 2003 to April 2006 and I can't recall a ring announcer or commentator ever saying "heavyweight." The transitory match between Xavier and Joe comes to mind - Steven DeAngelis clearly announces Xavier as "the Ring of Honor champion" Tromboneguy0186 07:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

JBL
I disagree. he is not notable for being a wrestler in thw wider world, and he only has certain other avenues open to him because of his wrestler status. He's just not that big.Halbared 15:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I see your point but it does not alter things. he is not that big, he may have many fiddles to his bow, but so do many people, he hasn't achieved status to mark him as notable in any of his fields, the amount of fields matters little. It's not flawed reasoning. The discussion of notability is toughening up because of countless people being added who are tall. The page has gone thru two requests for deletion now, because of the adding of ppl like Layfield.Halbared 15:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right aboot him accomplishing more than other 'notable' wrestlers like Nash, and Show. Certainly Kane and Jones yes (though a reasoning might be made for Nash with his acting). I agree that the flawing is skewed, and it is not something that is set in stone, a lot of the comments on the deletion page were making proposals that would mean the height would have far more weighting that anything else, that is, you have to be famous for being tall....I don't really want the list to go this way, it would mean more Nathan Jones and Big Shows. I tink an argument for this can be made when you get over 7 feet, but I also think as we come down to below 7 feet the criteria needs to be altered so that people who are genuinely notable for whatever...their field, or mabbe changing fields can be added, because they happen to be tall also...If you think JBL should be on that list then add him and make your case, perhaps you would like to try and help keep the list trim or add input on the discussion page to iron out criteria?Halbared 16:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

One Arrest (The Wire episode)
There's a problem with the "Title Reference" section that I can't exactly figure out. Though the name of the episode is "one arrest" there are two arrests by the case squad during the episode. One is of Bird and one is of Kevin Johnston, the one eyed drug runner. Either there is a philosophical reasoning for this or it's a screw up. –– Lid(Talk) 10:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have always found this slightly confusing myself. I'm never sure whether Johnston was arrested and charged or just brought in for questioning. We know Bird was charged because of his subsequent trial so I thought it best to put him up as the titular arrest. Thanks for your contributions to all the episode guides by the way.--Opark 77 14:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Technically, as the creators would know, it's irrelevent if they released Johnston as the arrest applies only to the inital arrest. Anything after that is being released from custody. In addition to that, seeing as he was being cuffed, resisting arrest, and carrying a large amount of product, he would had to have co-operated of his own free will to be released but I can tell you he wasn't as he had seen the entire case squad and their dealings. It's actually probably a plothole as to what happened to him, considering we see later on that you can easily make phone calls from prison to snitch, so the One Arrest title is one big confusing fuck. If we can find a David Simon quote on this it would be appropriate. –– Lid(Talk) 14:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That all makes sense. Feel free to add Johnston to the title reference if you like. I haven't come across a quote on this issue but it might worth posting on the HBO forum as Simon sometimes answers questions there.--Opark 77 14:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Professional Wrestling Double Team Moves
You should be correcting the links on the associated articles, not reverting the double team moves article back to an incorrectly done way.


 * Yes but some moves are known by the name they were popularized with... i.e the 3D and the Doomsday Device... also if we only used techniqual definitions then there it would be diffucult for people un familier with the subject to locate moves and we would have to change things like powerbomb, and sharpshooter --- Paulley


 * Lid the 3D and the Doomsday device and the term device in general need reinstating within the article as he has changed and move them... the high and low section needs clean up and removing notable users.... i have had a little go but there is lots more to be changed back --- Paulley


 * I dont think we can do that due to the amount of changes but some section do need to be reverted back i.e. High and low, 3D, Device... --- Paulley 17:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have done a lot of clean up on the page its more the links on the other changed pages that need fixing now... also im considering writing a Doomsday Device article so that may need linking to for all its variations and such. --- Paulley 19:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Islamikaze
If you want you can renominate the article at WP:AfD. The evidence from the deletion review seems to go in the direction that the article might not be notable, judging from the dearth of sources. ~ trialsanderrors 03:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, Articles for deletion/Islamikaze (second nomination). –– Lid(Talk) 03:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Lid, would you take another look at Islamikaze and to my comments on the deletion page? I've added sources for the origin of the term, and think it meets WP:NEO. I'd be curious what you think. Thanks, TheronJ 15:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

others to watch
Lid i might suggest you watch the edits of Bab_bigjb and PCE on move articles and the move sets of wrestlers. -- Paulley

CM Punk
You're welcome. I think it wasn't so much the LONG as all the wrestling detail that may have led a lot of reviewers to pass on it.

But it had been there long enough that it had to be done (Doing these GA reviews is my way of giving back after New Coke, which I've done a lot of work on, got recognized. It was LONG, too). Daniel Case 18:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Austin Aries error
My bad Lid. A minor error on my part. PCE.

Perry Saturn's Finisher name
I understand that it's listed as Moss Covered Three Handled Family Gredunza, but the word is pronounced Credenza, as in the credenza desk. When you search up Gredunza, there isn't even a page for it, but when you search up Credenza, a page is shown, proving that gredunza isn't a word. This site is about providing information for viewers, but at least use words that exist and not a mispronounciation. PCE.

PCE report from AIV

 * - User that was repeatedly making up content out of thin air and adding it to wrestling articles. At first it was assumed it was a mistake by the user but they continued to do it even after being repeatedly warned on his talk page, and even after he admitted he was making the content up. When I gave him a second test4 warning, due to other edits he made two days after his first test4, he blanked his talk page . –– Lid(Talk) 08:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A considerable number of this users edits have not been reverted. Does that mean there are good edits mixed in with the bad? Petros471 11:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you provide the diff where the user admitted to making up info, and then example of where that has continued since then? Petros471 21:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the diff, I managed not to find that one for some reason. Blanking a talk page by itself is not a good enough reason to block. Can you point to any edits made very recently (like today) that continue adding deliberately false information. Sorry to be a pain, I'm just trying to make sure I don't end up blocking a good faith contributor who's making (some) good edits without very good reason. Petros471 09:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Hey Lid. Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 21:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Nigel McGuinness
You're totally right here. Unfortunately, unless they officially call Wikimedia and ask Danny to remove the name, we can't do anything about it. It's public information anyway. I've warned him for WP:3RR and posted a message on his talk. hope that helps, alpha Chimp (talk) 02:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * sorry dude. I hate it just as much as you do, but I can't really do much about it. Let's just drop the issue and stop reinserting the name. I'll be unprotecting in a few minutes, please don't reinsert the name. Sorry Lid. alpha Chimp (talk) 23:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Our usual course of action is just to remove content when people complain (officially). It's really a liability issue (theres some precedent for it). Now, if other sites pick it up, or if it gets published in a major news source or something like that, the situation totally changes. alpha Chimp (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Trouble is, stuff like telephone numbers are also in the public record. Can we post those too? The question is always where we draw the line. I personally think it's been drawn a little bit too close here, but I'd rather respect their wishes, at least for the moment. alpha Chimp (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. There's already a post at Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. alpha Chimp (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I don't think discussion is going to get us anywhere. I just blocked User:TJ Spyke for repeatedly inserting the name (now on the Professional Wresting Wikiproject). Let's just let this one drop man. alpha Chimp (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. alpha Chimp (talk) 01:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry too much about it. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion--in fact, it's encouraged. You've acted entirely civilly through this entire affair. Coincidentally, I just unblocked TJ. He agreed to stop posting the name. alpha Chimp (talk) 01:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Verifiability
if no universal source is found the status quo must be kept. Information obtained from Dave Meltzer is no better than information obtained from a blog or forum.


 * Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's three content-guiding policies. The other two are No original research and Neutral point of view.  Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in the main namespace.  They should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should therefore try to familiarize themselves with all three. The principles upon which these three policies are based are negotiable only at the foundation level, not at the level of the English-language Wikipedia.


 * Articles should rely on credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. For academic subjects, the sources should preferably be peer-reviewed. Sources should also be appropriate to the claims made: outlandish claims require stronger sources (such as WWE.com).


 * "Verifiability" in this context does not mean that editors are expected to verify whether, for example, the contents of a New York Times article are true. In fact, editors are strongly discouraged from conducting this kind of research, because original research may not be published in Wikipedia. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources, regardless of whether individual editors view that material as true or false. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is thus verifiability, not truth. -- bullet proof  3:16 02:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * 

(Click on media and play video for news report) These sources also say 93,000. Not only that but both WWE.com and the silverdome's site say 93,000. -- bullet proof  3:16 02:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's even more sources listing 93,000.   . --  bullet proof  3:16 02:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm just saying, I noted numerous sources here. You only noted Dave Meltzer. Regardless, the article is fine the way it stands. Oh and just so you know... "According to Wrestling Journalist Dave Meltzer, the promoter of Wrestlemania 3 (ahem... WrestleMania III), Zane Bresloff, told him that the attendance figure was closer to 78,000. [] (ahem... [ ] ?). The Pontiac Silver Dome did not have the capacity to hold 93,000" (ahem... yes it does). Might want to check what it is you are actually reverting to next time. -- bullet proof  3:16 03:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahem... It said "The Pontiac Silver Dome did not have the capacity to hold 93,000" (didn't say for a wrestling event or not). 93,682 people attended mass for Pope John Paul II few days later so apparently The Pontiac Silverdome did have the capacity to hold 93,000. Thats not only introducing stylistic problems, introducing material without proper citations, but also introducing deliberate factual errors. -- bullet proof  3:16 03:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

DVDVR Semi-Protected, asking for help with the article
You were one of the folks who helped to work on the Death Valley Driver Video Review... now that the edit war is over (a helpful admin semi protected it to stop JB from anonymously vandalizing it), would you mind reviewing the article and seeing if it could use anything (especially citations, the admin asked me to improve the article on that point, and I have attempted to do so).. and see what consensus we can get? Thanks! (sorry, forgot to sign) SirFozzie 04:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Troll

 * Possibly another sockpuppet from Big foot123456789 and/or JB196. I'm certain that it's Big foot123456789 though.

Thanks
Thank you for removing the vandalism from my talk page. I really appreciate that. Thanks a lot. -- bullet proof  3:16 04:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mongolian Jesus
I notice that you tagged this article for deletion under CSD G1, patent nonsense. Note that the definition of patent nonsense is content which is either: This article is most certainly a hoax, but hoaxes are not speedyable, since often things will turn out to be true, or based in truth. Instead, use prod and tag the article with hoax, which I have now done. Cheers, bainer (talk) 10:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) total nonsense, text with no meaning (such as random strings of characters), or
 * 2) content which no intelligent person can make any sense of.

Miscellaneous Music
Yes I can provide a source for this claom - a newspaper article - would that be succifient?

Perhaps I should scan the article and post it? Or cite the article publisher? Illawarra Mercury June 1981.

VA-42
How did you find the source for the contributions on VA-42? I also suspected a copyright violation, but several Google searches for text from the article yielded nothing. I'm curious to hear your secret. Vectro 16:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Please refer to the following web site, which includes the Library of Congress info...no copywrite:

http://www.history.navy.mil/avh-vol1/prelim.pdf Bondo 20:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)Bondoa6

Govt copyright
I only removed the tag from one article which was an asserted copy from an official US Navy page. I left the tags on the globalsecurity.org ones. NawlinWiki 17:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

VA-65 and VA-42
I was a bit dismayed to see VA-65 taken off. The data is historical, and is provided by the US Navy History Center. It is from a US Government agancy,a nd therby should be public domain. I chekced the booklet that the data comes from, and there is no copywrite info. Therefore, i feel this entry, as the same for VA-42, should be allowed as public domain.

Please refer to the following web site, which includes the Library of Congress info...no copywrite:

http://www.history.navy.mil/avh-vol1/prelim.pdf  Bondo 20:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Although I cannot access the PDF in question, if it is a product of the US government (as it seems to be), then I also agree that the material is in the public domain. An attribution may be needed, but nothing more. See Copyright problems, and note that the source must make a clear copyright claim for speedy deletion to apply. Vectro 21:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

VT-10 and VT-86
They were taken directly from VT-10 and VT-86's offical US Navy web site...now if globalsecurity is taking their stuff from them, and copywriting, it is wrong. I think that before wiki deletes, you should try to track down the original info source.The link is as follows: https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt10/history.asp https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt86/history.asp Bondo 19:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC) It's also my understranding that we all know we can't do copywritten stuff on the wikipedia site, therefore, it should stand, that unless it is blatant stealing, it should stay. The fight belongs with globalsecurity. Bondo 19:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Lid, I feel that you have to revisit these two articles....once again, globalsecurity has violated copy write by taking a public domain site/info and saying it was there info. I invite you to look at the two web site below, read where it says "Official US Navy Web Site"...perhaps you shoudl have Wiki contact globalsecurity?

The links are as follows: https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt10/history.asp https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt86/history.asp Bondo 00:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for removing that nonsense from my user page. Much appreciated.-- thund e rboltz(Deepu) 04:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrestler infoboxes
I noticed the infoboxes keep flicking between 'height/weight' and 'billed height/weight'. Do you happen know how this keeps happening and who is doing it?Halbared 06:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

James Kennedy of Dunure
Yeah. I'd say that there's something not right there. I'm trying to find more information about him, but it doesn't seem like there's much out there. (other than multiple pages noting he's the father of James Kennedy). Then we've got Patrick Kennedy (born 1823) listed as the son of the James Kennedy that died in 1465... Looks like you've uncovered a bit of a mess. Too many Kennedy's... I'll see what I can do to try to sort some of it out. --Onorem 13:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Billed height/weight
Do you think this'll work? I added it to try and stop all the arguments, but I didn't think of the fact that I'd have to add 2 more fields to each article. I notice you implemented it into Samoa Joe with no bother, but you can guarantee I'll only get so far before somebody moans about it. BertieBasset 00:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is a good workaround for those articles where the height is extreme (rather than mabe 1 inch). But was the change voted on in the wiki pro pages, I don't remember it being. There should be a vote then there can not be any grey area afterwards. Because right now, there are a lot of wrestlers who have now their legit height down as their billed height. It should really be reverted back until those who care aboot this particular aspect of infoboxes can vote on it. It has flipped from real to billed to real and back to billed now.Halbared 14:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)