User talk:Liddzie

December 2019
Please don't add original research relating to Squaring the circle. Also, I've just had a look at my calculator and it still says that the value of π is 3.1415926.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that the traditional Pi value of 3.141592653589793 that is programmed into most calculators is wrong and is not connected to circles but instead the traditional Pi value of 3.141592653589793 represents a polygon with more than a trillion edges divided by the diagonal of the polygon.

Traditional Pi value of 3.141592653589793 is false.

It is impossible for a polygon to become a circle and that means that Pi must be larger than 3.141592653589793.

I am shocked to discover that for more than 2000 years most mathematicians have not tried to measure the amount of times the diameter of a circle fits into the curvature of a circle.

If the diameter of a circle is 1 then the circumference of the circle is Pi.

Pi means the ratio of a circle's circumference divided by a circle's diameter

If you create a circle with a 1 meter diameter and you measure the amount of times that the diameter of the circle fits around the curvature of the circle you will be shocked to discover that the correct value for Pi = 3.1446 and NOT 3.1415.

After you have measured a circle with tape and you discover with your own eye balls that Pi = 3.1446 and NOT 3.1415 you should then get a scientific calculator and divide 4 by 3.1446 and you will get an approximation for the square root of the golden ratio = 1.272.

Then square 1.27201 to get 1.618 and then it become clear that the real value of Pi = 4 DIVIDED BY THE SQUARE ROOT OF THE GOLDEN RATIO = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144.

THE TRUE VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144 HAS REMAINDED HIDDEN INSIDE OF THE KEPLER RIGHT TRIANGLE FOR MORE THAN 2000 YEARS WAITING FOR MATHEMATICANS TO DISCOVER IT.

ANOTHER LIE THAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO US ABOUT PI IS THAT PI IS TRANSCENDENTAL.

THE REAL VALUE OF Pi IS NOT TRANSCENDENTAL BECAUSE THE REAL VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144 IS THE ONLY VALUE OF PI THAT CAN FIT THE FOLLOWING POLYNOMIAL EQUATION:

4th dimensional equation/polynomial for Golden Pi = 3.144605511029693

Minimal Polynomial:

x4 + 16x2 – 256 = 0.

https://www.tiger-algebra.com/drill/x~4-16x~2-256=0/

THE REAL VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144:

Please copy and paste the following link into your web browser if you cannot click onto the following link:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4+divided+by+the+square+root+of+the+golden+ratio

PLEASE CLICK ON THE RED DOTS IN THE FOLLOWING LINK TO CONFIRM THAT THE REAL VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.1446 IS NOT TRANSCENDENTAL.

THE REAL VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144.

Minimal polynomial:

x4 + 16x2 – 256 = 0

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x4+%2B+16x2+%E2%80%93+256+%3D+0

3D plot of a graph proving that the real value of Pi is NOT transcendental:

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• Panagiotis Stefanides fourth order equation:

http://www.stefanides.gr/Html/piquad.html

• Panagiotis Stefanides: Quadrature of circle, theoretical definition:

http://www.stefanides.gr/Html/QuadCirc.html

The True Value of Pi revealed = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHAOn7UfXt8

Pi by phi quadrature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRkIKSkVzPA

Pi by Phi saved archive: http://archive.is/b02DL

Pi by Phi quadrature: http://quadrature-code.blogspot.co.uk/

Quadrature blogspot conclusions http://quadrature-code.blogspot.co.uk/p/some-conclusions.html

Quadrature blogspot Holistic: http://quadrature-code.blogspot.co.uk/p/holistic-view.html

√√φ = 1.127838485561682 is the key to creating a circle and a square with the same surface area.

The following Wolfram alpha site gives us information about the ratio √√φ = 1.127838485561682 =

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=√√φ

MEASURING PI SQUARING PHI: www.measuringpisquaringphi.com

The Non Transcendental, Exact Value of π and the Squaring of the Circle 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccxVW2MIbxA&lc=z232inlhiwiowtokuacdp4345l4off3xqdsfga0vawtw03c010c.1512761876258142

The Non Transcendental, Exact Value of π and the Squaring of the Circle 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QCtnZjZIsw

• Kepler right triangle information:

https://houseoftruth.education/en/teaching/mona-lisa/theorem-5-kepler-triangle-in-the-great-pyramid

https://www.goldennumber.net/triangles/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kepler_Triangle_Construction.svg

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Download for free and keep and read The book of Phi volume 8: The true value of Pi = 3.144, by Mathematician and author Jain 108:

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Download for free and keep and read The book of Phi volume 9: The true value of Pi = 3.144, by Mathematician and author Jain 108:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cIEvbbLu-pyx6T7W1moAT9nWlAIFh-xv/view?usp=sharing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.84.149 (talk) 14:31, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Archimedes knew that no polygon will give the exact value of π, but he also pointed out that this can be used to give the value of π between two limits.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Traditional Pi = 3.141592653589793 is also false because infinite sided polygons cannot exist

Traditional Pi = 3.141592653589793 is also false because infinite sided polygons cannot exist. A Polygon by definition is a plane figure that can fit into a circle with a limited amount of sides.

Fractal geometry with the help of computer software has proven that it does not matter how many times we divide the circumference of a circle into different sections gaps will always exist upon the circle’s circumference when the curve of the circle is magnified and we zoom in to look as close as we can so the assumption that Archimedes made that enough divisions upon a circle’s circumference will cause the gaps to eventually disappear is false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJdkhlWZVQ.

A polygon and a circle are related but a polygon never becomes a circle. My dictionary defines a circle as: A round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center). We know that a Decagon is a Decagon because a Decagon is identified as having 10 equal sides and can fit into a circle. : https://archive.is/ZSTzZ

Remember that traditional Pi 3.141592653589793 is gained from the multiple polygon method and that means that it is impossible for traditional Pi 3.141592653589793 to be the real Pi because the correct definition of Pi is circumference of circle divided by diameter of circle. I repeat a circle can never become a polygon and infinite sided polygons cannot exist.

I bet you do not even know that we can divide a line into the ratio Pi by multiplying the shortest edge of a Kepler right triangle 4 times on a straight line and dividing the 4 lines that all have the same measure as the shortest edge length of the Kepler right triangle by the second longest edge length of the Kepler right triangle. Remember that if the second longest edge length of a Kepler right triangle is used as the diameter of a circle then the shortest edge length of the Kepler right triangle can is equal to 1 quarter of the circle’s circumference. Also the irrational ratio Pi can be constructed on a straight line if 1 quarter of the second longest edge length of a Kepler right triangle is added to the shortest edge length of the Kepler right triangle. If the second longest edge length of a Kepler right triangle is divided by 1 quarter of the measure of the second longest edge length of the Kepler right triangle the result is the ratio Pi.

The Kepler right triangle is the key to squaring the circle with both equal perimeters and also equal areas and the Kepler right triangle is also the key to revealing geometrically the real value of Pi. Traditional Pi = 3.141592653589793 is useless and a waste of time. Traditional Pi = 3.141592653589793 is NOT accurate enough for space travel. Traditional Pi cannot be used to create a full 360 degree circle you can confirm that claim by measuring how many times the diameter of a cylinder that has a diameter of 1 meter fit around the circumference of the cylinder with a diameter of 1 meter.

The multiple polygon method for gaining Pi only gives us approximations so traditional Pi 3.141592653589793 could never help us to create a perfectly round circle. Traditional Pi is good and okay if you are not worried about accuracy, but if you really want to get scientific then you will have to use the Kepler right triangle method for getting Pi and that method is simple and can be done in just 5 minutes or even less than 5 minutes and does not require a super computer with spread sheets, just a compass and straight edge and obviously a pencil and a calculator and knowledge of the Golden ratio of Cosine (36) multiplied by 2 = 1.618033988749895. Because I use the Kepler right triangle method to get Pi I am now able to square the circle with both equal perimeters and equal areas with just compass and straight edge. Traditional Pi is both irrational and transcendental so we cannot use traditional Pi = 3.141592653589793 to square the circle but Golden Pi 3.144605511029693 is irrational but Golden Pi 3.144605511029693 is not transcendental:

THE REAL VALUE OF Pi IS NOT TRANSCENDENTAL BECAUSE THE REAL VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.144605511029693144 IS THE ONLY VALUE OF PI THAT CAN FIT THE FOLLOWING POLYNOMIAL EQUATION: 4th dimensional equation/polynomial for Golden Pi = 3.144605511029693

(x4 + 16x2 – 256 = 0).

https://www.tiger-algebra.com/drill/x~4-16x~2-256=0/

Wolfram Alpha proof that the real Pi is NOT transcendental:

• https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4%2F√φ

• http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4%2F%E2%88%9A%CF%86


 * Archimedes never gave an exact value for Pi, so this is misrepresenting him. He gave an approximation between two limits, which is all that the polygon method can do. Archimedes said that Pi was less than 3 1/7 but greater than 3 10/71, ie between 3.1429 and 3.1408. The Phi value of 3.1446 isn't even close as it falls outside these limits. I cannot respond further because all of this is original research. It also has WP:REDFLAG issues.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

The boundary limit claim of Archimedes is Dogma. It is wrong for an individual to say that Pi must be between 2 limits if that individual has NOT discovered the exact value of Pi yet because that individual has NOT tried to measure a circle with a 1 meter diameter.

YES 22 DIVIDED BY 7 = 3.142857142857143 IS LARGER THAN THE RATIO 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 BUT NOBODY IN THIS UNIVERSE HAS DERIVED THE RATIO 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 FROM DIVIDING THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF A CIRCLE BY THE DIAMETER OF A CIRCLE.

POINT 2:

YES THE RATIO 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 IS TRANSCENDENTAL BUT NOBODY IN THIS UNIVERSE HAS DERIVED THE RATIO 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 FROM DIVIDING THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF A CIRCLE BY THE DIAMETER OF A CIRCLE.

The claims of Pi beijng equal to 3.141592653589793 are false because if an individual has never divided the circumference of a circle by the diameter of a circle in the time of life then that means that individual does NOT what Pi is.

Ask yourself this question where does the ratio 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 come from ?

Academic mathematicians are now using INFINITE SERIES to derive the ratio 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 for Pi.

INFINITE SERIES IS NOT THE SAME AS CIRCUMFERENCE OF CIRCLE DIVIDED BY DIAMETER OF CIRCLE.

The ratio 4 divided by the square root of = 1.621138938277405 = 3.141592653589793 is your value of Pi and is false.

Physical measurement for the real value of Pi part 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fATlIzht7VI

I know what Pi is because I have been patient enough to take the time to measure multiple circles with a diameter of 1 meter. The diameter of the circle must be a minimum of 1 meter. The larger the circle the more easier it is to measure the curvature of the circle with a measuring tape.

The ratio 3.141592653589793 is NOT Pi instead the ratio 3.141592653589793 is an approximation of Pi.

The ratio 3.141592653589793 does NOT belonbg to any circle and instead comes from a polygon with more than a trillion edges.

It is impossible for a polygon to become a circle regardless of the many edges that polygon has because a circle does NOT have any edges.

Circumscribing polygons around circles and inscribing polygons inside of a circles is a waste of time and will NEVER allow anybody to find the true value for Pi because it does NOT matter how many edges are imposed upon the curvature of the circle from the polygons that are contained inside of the circle there will forever be a gap between the edges of the polygon and the curvature of the circle that contains the polygon and that fact is total proof that the correct value of Pi MUST be larger than 3.141.

PI MEASUREMENT CONFIRMED TO BE 3.1446:

The Great Pi conspiracy part 1: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/05/pi/

The Great Pi conspiracy part 2: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/06/pi2/

THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS HAVE BEEN SEEN MANY TIMES WHERE THE CURVATURE OF A CYLINDER WITH A DIAMETER OF 1 METER IS MEASURED AND THE PI CIRCUMFERENCE IS REVEALED TO BE 3.1446 AND NOT 3.1415 OR 3.1416

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Physical measurement for the real value of Pi part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVNrhqLN110

Physical measurement for the real value of Pi part 2:

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Pi Math Proof: http://measuringpisquaringphi.com/pi-math-proof/

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Kepler right triangle math proof for Pi;

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Fixing Correcting the problems caused by using traditional Pi:

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Download for free and keep and read The book of Phi volume 8: The true value of Pi = 3.144, by Mathematician and author Jain 108:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-octave/2016-07/pdf1s8_jmqrL6.pdf

Download for free and keep and read The book of Phi volume 9: The true value of Pi = 3.144, by Mathematician and author Jain 108:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cIEvbbLu-pyx6T7W1moAT9nWlAIFh-xv/view?usp=sharing

The Non Transcendental, Exact Value of π and the Squaring of the Circle 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccxVW2MIbxA&lc=z232inlhiwiowtokuacdp4345l4off3xqdsfga0vawtw03c010c.1512761876258142

Pi by phi quadrature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRkIKSkVzPA

Measuring Pi squaring phi: www.measuringpisquaringphi.com

More information about Pi, Archimedes boundary limit claim is a DOGMA. :

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ro&u=http://www.gazetamatematica.net/%3Fq%3Dnode/702&prev=search

I have found the EXACT VALUE OF PI = 4/√φ = 3.1446.

3.1446	IS THE EXACT 100% REAL VALUE OF PI.

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