User talk:Lienberghmans

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Orfit Industries


A tag has been placed on Draft:Orfit Industries, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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November 2023
Hello Lienberghmans. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Lienberghmans. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. AntiDionysius (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, could you please elaborate on this? I did try to write neutral, I'm not getting paid to write this page. I'm simply creating it because it did not exist and I thought it was worth a wikipedia page 213.224.54.146 (talk) 12:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi; the message was based on the fact that the article about Orfit Industries was written in quite explicitly promotional language, and your account name is the name of someone who is identified online as a Marketing & Communications employee of Orfit Industries. AntiDionysius (talk) 12:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you do work for the company, even if you haven't been specifically asked as part of your job to make the page (which would be paid editing), it would certainly constitute a Conflict of Interest. Users are extremely strongly discouraged from editing articles with which they have personal or professional connections; that applies doubly when it is a company for whom they separately do paid promotional work for. Such people tend to find it very hard to disengage the PR tone they use in their work and write in the dispassionate, detached tone that Wikipedia strives for. I'd encourage you to consider contributing to Wikipedia in other ways instead. AntiDionysius (talk) 12:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Am I allowed to create the page again and rewrite the text in a more neutral tone and add a COI? I was still editing the page (it was still a draft) and thus still changing the copy... Lienberghmans (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, okay thank you I understand. I was still editing the page and rewriting the text. Is it possible to keep editing/ creating if I do state the COI? I was still working in draft as well.
 * Thanks Lienberghmans (talk) 12:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also not ready with editing it and am still rewriting and adding sources. Hope this helps! Lienberghmans (talk) 12:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would thus like advice on what I should do now, and if i can continue to edit or not. Thanks Lienberghmans (talk) 12:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment
You have an obvious conflict of interest and you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for an organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:   . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Also read the following regarding writing an article:


 * you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls
 * The notability guidelines for organisations and companies have been updated. The primary criteria has five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met:
 * significant coverage in
 * independent,
 * multiple,
 * reliable,
 * secondary sources.
 * Note that an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability. Also, to show notability you need hard verifiable facts such as the number of employees, management structure turnover or profits funding or expenditure.


 * You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.
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Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for this information. I do understand the COI and why it is a problem. I was though still editing the page and not ready (and thus was going to add a COI) and make the copy more neutral. But I understand that it is discouraged for me to write the page at all.
 * Thanks again for your advice. Lienberghmans (talk) 13:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You must make the declaration before you post any text, otherwise you are leaving yourself open to a block for not doing so Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)