User talk:Liftarn/Archive 11

November 2021
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Do It
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 * Hi. Please stop restoring Janne Suni to the songwriters on Do It (Nelly Furtado song). You've already been reverted for this multiple times. Okay, so Timbaland ripped off one of their songs. That's the music industry for you. Songwriters and producers do it all the time, wrong or not. That doesn't mean we go to their songs' articles and say, "well you clearly copied this song so I'm putting them as songwriters". For example, Ed Sheeran is currently being sued over two of his songs ("Bad Habits" and "Thinking Out Loud") regarding him taking ideas from others' works. We would not go to those articles and credit the other songwriters. Even if Timbaland was sued, unless the settlement of the court case was that Suni should be credited as a songwriter, then we should not add them as one. If you have a reliable source stating the song lifts from Suni's work, you can note this in the prose of the article, but the infobox is for the credited songwriters and producers only. From an outsider's perspective, claiming on your user page that you "try to stay out of controversial topics since I simply don't have the time and energy to get involved in editing fights" is a bit strange considering you've been involved in a slow edit war with Pillowdelight since at least August.  Ss  112   23:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources are given. // Liftarn (talk) 07:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Those reliable sources do not state Suni won a court case to now be credited as a songwriter. That's what matters. You've been around on Wikipedia for long enough to know edit warring is not okay, so stop or you will find yourself blocked. I've already asked the main user you've disagreed with to have a word to an administrator. They're certainly not going to agree with you fighting some songwriter's battle for them.  Ss  112   08:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * While I'm glad to see you didn't restore Suni to the infobox as a songwriter in your subsequent edits to "Do It", I'd just like to provide you with a few more examples that this sort of thing isn't done on Wikipedia. Timbaland is basically a well-known sample thief at this point. He took the introduction of the Syrian singer Mayada El Hennawy's "Alouli Ansa" as the melodic hook for Aaliyah's "More Than a Woman" without crediting her. We have acknowledged this on the article for "More Than a Woman", but nobody has fought to have El Hennawy credited as a songwriter there. Basically the whole of Daft Punk's album Discovery is built upon manipulated samples from '70s funk and soul records, despite the record only having something like four credited samples. They've been extensively documented in some news articles and YouTube compilations and are basically indisputable at this point, but nobody has asked for the original composers of these songs to be credited on the respective articles. More tellingly, Richard Ashcroft admitted, and even if he hadn't, it's undeniable he sampled the Andrew Oldham Orchestra's version of the Rolling Stones' "The Last Time" for his band the Verve's "Bitter Sweet Symphony". Even though he was sued and ordered to credit Mick Jagger and Keith Richards for 20 years until it was overturned in 2019, despite this being big news when it happened, I did not see a single editor claiming we should actually still be crediting either them or the composer for the strings of the orchestral version, David Whitaker. Songwriters in infoboxes is largely based on who is credited in songwriting repertories and in liner notes. It's unfortunate that Suni and other artists who've been stolen from haven't received royalties from being legitimately credited, but it's not Wikipedia's job to "correct" the record.  Ss  112   13:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

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