User talk:Light current/archive9

Enough
You've now made it clear that you're just looking for a response out of people with this latest comment. This is not a chat room. You appear to just be stirring up controversy just for the fun of it. Since this is an ongoing problem and you show no signs of getting it, I've blocked you for 1 week. If you wish to contribute usefully when the block expires, please do so. Friday (talk) 23:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about this comment?

''How do you know it was related to masturbation? THat interpretation is purely in your mind!--Light current 23:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)''
 * THats all I added.--Light current 00:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course that's the comment I'm talking about- it's the one I linked to. Friday (talk) 01:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How can that warrant a block?--Light current 01:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * So Slim, what exactly did I get blocked for? Can you say?--Light current 01:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't get this at all either. Where is the disruption? One so bad that it warrants a one week block? He was accused of bad behaviour and then simply asked which bad behaviour. To which he didn't get an answer. Why? DirkvdM 12:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

RFC
It's been suggested at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents that a user conduct RFC may be appropriate in your case. However before going to the trouble (and, possibly, drama) I have some simple questions: Do you believe that a significant number of experienced editors find your conduct at the reference desks frequently inappropriate? Do you think this indicates that you ought to change that behavior? These are the points that an RFC would try to drive home- however if you already realize this, perhaps we can skip this step. If you don't believe that a significant number of experienced editors find your behavior inappropriate, would reading a page where more people said this help to convince you? If not, what would convince you? Do you understand why editors here should listen to the feedback they get from other editors? Friday (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Q:Do you believe that a significant number of editors find your conduct at the reference desks frequently inappropriate?
 * A:Yes I admit that. It is obviously true.


 * Q:Do you think this indicates that you ought to change that behavior?
 * A:Yes, I will try very hard not to upset anyone in future.


 * Q:Do you understand why editors here should listen to the feedback they get from other editors?
 * A: Yes we should all be responsive to representative feedback

I know this is going to sound a very weak argument, but truly, I am not trying to upset anyone. OK sometimes my 'jokes' may touch somebody's raw nerve I apologise for that. Sometimes someone may see things in my statements that I truly did not intend. I apologise for that. However, when answering as many questions as I do on the RDs Im bound to make a few errors of judgement now and again. I would ask my critics to look at the whole picture, not jst a few selected comments. I would be sad to have to leave the RDs becuase of a few misinterpretations of my posts and because they appear to have upset or offended some people. as I said before, everyone is different and some people may take offence where none at all was intended. I would therefore ask editors and readers to assume good fiath on my part. I am trying to help the RDs and WP in general as my records will show. I admit I have sometimes let my feelings get the better of me and i regret certain attack outbursts. I feel that is now under control. All Im trying to do is to make the RDs a happier place. Is that so wrong? 8-((--Light current 21:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC) --Light current 21:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Say...
Is this sort of snide remark really necessary? There are better, less smartass ways to communicate your disagreement with another editor's opinion.

If you have concerns about how the Ref Desk is being managed, its talk page is an appropriate forum for discussion. The talk page of the editor with whom you have a disagreement is also an excellent place to open a channel for communication.

Besides, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss viewpoints about the end of the world in a neutral, encyclopedic way. We have a number of good articles on this topic (see, for example, End of the world (philosophy), Eschatology, and End of planet Earth). Yours, TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you just making some point?
Do you really think we can or should answer questions like this? What is your purpose in putting it back? Friday (talk) 22:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't just chat at the reference desk. Friday (talk) 02:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Light current, your behaviour at the reference desk is unhelpful. Do you want to be banned from editing that page?  Or are you going to stop it?  Guy (Help!) 09:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I ve been away for a short time and have only just noticed this post. I believed I had responded to all the criticisms. To which behaviour do you refer?--Light current 14:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you're actually extremely clueless, or whether it's an act. Either way the result is the same: you're being unhelpful.  If you are not capable of understanding what is or isn't appropriate on a particular page, just stay off that page.  Being disruptive and them smiling, removing the disruption, and saying "Ooops!" might work a time or two, but it's a recurring pattern with you.  Stop it.  This is not your personal playground.  Friday (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe I have responded adequately to your comments by removing posts that seemed to cause offence etc. THe above post is not necessary. 8-)--Light current 15:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you consider removing this comment?
This comment is offensive, as Anchoress noted on the talk page. Since it didn't add anything to the encyclopedia, isn't factual, and is kind of mean... can you please consider removing it? -- SCZenz 03:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Whilst the statement is factual and could be sustained, I was prepared to remove the words 'especially females'. It seems though that the whole post has been deleted. THis was not necessary.--Light current 03:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You need to seriously change your approach to the reference desk. This is an encyclopedia, not a chat room.  If you don't wish to stay on topic, I suggest staying away from the reference desk altogether.  Friday (talk) 03:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Friday, your repeated suggestions that people leave the Ref Desk are quite rude, and it's rising to the level of harassment now, please stop this behavior immediately. StuRat 10:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * People who are unhelpful and disruptive need to stop being unhelpful and disruptive. Maybe you consider deleting vandalism "rude" too, but I put the interests of the project far, far ahead of the interests of editors who would disrupt the project. Friday (talk) 15:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:STALK?


 * Thanks for your suggestion...next brickbat please! 8-)


 * Without "especially females" it isn't particularly offensive. But in any case it's just off-topic chatting, so I'd advise against restoring it... but that's just advice. -- SCZenz 03:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Lots of things appear to be off topic.--Light current 03:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * All I was saying is, since your comment added nothing to answering the question... it's not a good use of time or page space to restore it. -- SCZenz 03:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Pastures new?
Im not arguing with people anymore. Really its not worth it. I move on to pastures new! 8-))--Light current 03:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is what you call moving on? Consider yourself warned: you're being disruptive at the reference desk, and this cannot continue.  Further disruption could result in a block.  Friday (talk) 03:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Purely a question but Ill remove it if it make you feel better.--Light current 04:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There was nothing about that comment that could possibly justify a block by any stretch of the imagination, this is just pure harassment on Friday's part. StuRat 10:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I know! One admin may listen to reason but 3 or 4 of them have now joined forces at WP:AN/I after the initial report there by User:Friday. Ive had disagreements with all except Friday in the past and some have taken great delight in punishing me. (See my block log for some entertainment!)
 * Its like any group of people with similar interests: they are going to stick together and back each other up. Rarely Ive found will an admin block in a dubious case (like this) alone.
 * I think it is politic for me to reamin silent becuase if I start to complain about that (what is after all a minor issue to me), I have a feeling in my water that it would quickly escalate into me being blocked again on the 'grounds' of disruption (ie a catch all phrase if you cant think of anything specific!). I of course deny intentional disruption to the RD talk page.
 * See the problem is Stu, that when one (usually newbie) admin decides to flex his/her muscles, they tend to get backed up by the rest so any statement of your case in defence or denial is taken as further disruption and can lead to further blocks by the other admins acting in sympathy. I know its not right, but waht can you do? Except take it to the Administrator review board  8-)! Shoot we dont seem to have one 8-(--Light current 13:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea, I agree. BTW is "I have a feeling in my water" a BritSpeak expression ?  I've never heard it before. StuRat 14:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah it a sort of 'gut feeling' but in the bladder of course! 8-)--Light current 14:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice!
Re: Your posts to my questions here and here.

Everything works fairly well. I totally massacred a speaker phone I bought, and am left with just the parts. I bought a faux book (made of wood), which is kind of like a jewelery box but, uh... more manly :). The "kits" I got were exactly that--kits.  I'm a software guy.  I simply DON'T DO HARDWARE, and I also don't read the generally-accepted definition of "kit" a la "assembly required" :) so my soldering job on the parts was absolutely abysmal, but everything works so it's more of a funny/embarrassing story than a detriment to my project. Needless to say, the completed PCB wouldn't fit in the transmitter casing so I took a pair of nail clippers (yes, nail clippers... I'll type it one more time to highlight the ridiculousness of it--nail clippers) to trim off the excessive solder.

So to recap, here's how the thing works:
 * Plug it into the phone line, and provide power (9V DC adapter).
 * When someone enters the apartment lobby, they dial the apartment number, and the "phone" rings.
 * Hit the big button, and you can talk to them from a reasonable distance.
 * While talking to them, hit the small button to send the DTMF for the #6 button. The door in the lobby unlocks.
 * Hit the big button again to hang up.

Two things are still outstanding, however...
 * The microphone sucks. It's about the size of a large prescription pill (does size matter?) and doesn't pick up very well.  I'd replace it, but there are no ohm indicators on it so I'm not sure what to replace it with, or if it needs power, or if it has enough power (the phone itself is powered entirely by the phone line, NOT from the external adapter--this is only for the RF receiver board).
 * I need to drill several holes (about a half inch in diameter), and a big hole (about 3 inches in diameter) in which to fit the speaker. Can you think of any hand held tool that can do this (dremel maybe)?

Aaaand that's about it... I intend to mount all the components using dowel and a glue gun. I'll also use the glue gun to fixate the movable parts (volume switches, receiver button that pops up when you pick up the handset) that are no longer needed for functionality, but still affect the phone circuits.

Thanks for your comments BTW, I think this will turn out well. I'll send you some pictures when I'm done (nothing particularly special about the stages I've done so far, essentially assembling some kits and taking apart a phone, whoop de doo). I won't post them publicly for the same reason--it's kind of lame, but since I appreciated your input I'd like to send you some final pictures of the functioning monstrosity :).

Thanks again! --Silvaran 03:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Now when you wre talking of loud speaking telephone, I was envisaging one where the same transducer acts as both speaker and microphone. It appears you havea different sort. Anyway since its designed as a speaker phone presumably its intended to pick up speech from across the room? What does it say on the box?
 * As for small holes upto about 0.5" dia, I tnd to find its eaier to make a quck and dirt small hole with a screwdriver/soldering iron or whatever is ah hand and then use one of those handy tapered reamers you can get. THis leaves a neatly finished hole. As for the larger holw of 3" dia: does it need to be one large hole, or will a nuber of small holes let out enough sound/ If so- proced as for the small holes (Otherwise its a fretsaw or coping saw or jigsaw job.) 8-)--Light current 15:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I like your idea about small holes... then it will look reasonably sleek and I won't have to cover it with mesh or anything. The speaker seems loud enough.  Now when I tested the original microphone, it was in the phone.  With the way it was constructed, there was a small hole (no bigger than a quarter-inch) for sound to travel inwards, and the depth of the hole was about a half inch.  Now that I have the casing totally destroyed it seems to pick up a bit better.  I think I'll use a screw/screwdriver and reamer as you mentioned, and just make small holes in front of the speaker.  I also bought a cheap mono microphone with attached cable so the microphone can be moved to a better listening position if necessary.  Thanks again! --Silvaran 01:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Disruption
Your comments on the admin noticeboard are unnecessary, unhelpful and disruptive. Please desist. This was a righteous block, happened months ago, and if you still have a beef with the blocking admin you need to go to dispute resolution, not troll the admin noticeboard - that's just going to get you bliocked again for disruption and incivility. OK? Guy (Help!) 09:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Notice that it was not I who first refered to my block on that page. Also I have moderated some of my comments ans stricken othe parts. I hope that is satisfactory. 8-)--Light current 17:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Threats
Regarding this text of yours: "::::::Yeah whatever your friends say must be OK! 8-) I promise as long as I live I wont forget your unjust blocking of me--Light current 01:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)" This reads like an implied threat, please retract it and begin interacting civilly. Please consider this a final warning, further incivility and attacks will result in another block.  We're all volunteers here, nobody is paid to put up with abuse. - C HAIRBOY  (☎) 02:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Im saying that I will always remember it! It is not abuse, or any kind of threat 8-)--Light current 02:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks
I suggest you not make anymore personal attacks like this anymore. semper fi — Moe  01:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Like what?--Light current 01:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Like calling her Pschump. Calling someone a 'chump' isn't exactly civil, ya know? Her name is Pschemp. semper fi — Moe  01:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Typo1 whats a chump anyway?


 * A chump can be an attack, like saying someone is a loser. If i was a typo, all is forgiven. semper fi — Moe  01:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm not defined on WP--Light current 01:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't think there should be an article on a relatively small-scale insult anyways :) semper fi — Moe  01:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

So how am I to know esp if its a typo!--Light current 01:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I was abrupt
Sorry if my tone was rude, I was called away just as I started typing that. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problemo!--Light current 22:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

3RR
Thanks for your concern, but I am reverting those edits in my capacity as an administrator because in my judgement they are a disruption to Wikipedia. 3RR does not apply. -- SCZenz 16:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Dont agree! How are 2 comments based on a misunderstanding of the Q disrupting any thing? You are bound by 3RR like everyone else!--Light current 16:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't do anything about your disagreement. I am bound in content disputes on articles; I am not bound to leave inappropriate material on a project page because a user has insisted on repeatedly restoring it. I could have avoided these repeated reverts by more rapidly threatening and blocking DirkvdM, but I wanted to avoid that if I possibly could. -- SCZenz 16:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Big stick?--Light current 16:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. I spent a long time speaking softly first. -- SCZenz 16:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I really think you ought to ge some sort of agreement on your actions, then it will make it less likely that people will see you as a bully!--Light current 16:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe there is community conensus on the issue. The trouble is that the voices we hear most often are the voices of people who have grown accustomed to misusing the reference desk. -- SCZenz 17:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Im sure you're not including me in that reference! I've grown accustomed to your face! (My Fair Lady). You have, whilst denying the community the opportunity to agree on guidelines (that I initiated) for the RDs, now written your own and are acting on them unilaterally. Do you agree?


 * SCZenz, you just don't hear those voices which disagree with you. StuRat 11:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference desk removal
I'm sure you'll be interested in Wikipedia talk:Reference desk. I'd like to ask you to consider the issue I raised here&mdash;that you asked a question that could only be answered with opinions and discussion&mdash;and take it as constructive criticism rather than a confrontation. I'm happy to discuss if you have any questions. -- SCZenz 16:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Telecommunications
I have noticed that you have made many good contributions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronics, some of them related to telecommunications. Would you like to help us to put shape on WikiProject Telecommunications? I would like to invite you to join the telecommunications WikiProject. Mange01 20:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not while User:Cedars is there thanks!--Light current 22:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
I greatly appreciate your coming to the Talk:Entropy page. The people 'running the joint' a couple of months ago need to hear from individuals who are not specialists, who can say "write something I can understand, not stuff for your rivals to impress them!"

I've been very discouraged, after first 'discovering' Wikipedia and wanting to aid the page in getting into the 21st century! That sounds arrogant, but I've been lucky...check Ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Entropy/Archive5#Non-notable.3F (a list that was prepared after 'the owners' had said that my incidental mention of textbooks and articles that had adopted my ideas was "Non-notable" and I should submit a formal list).

I spent at last a hundred hours in July and then in October in relatively fruitless attempts to have the 'owner' and several information theorists allow my views on the page. However, there were and are now some individuals who are aiding me, and with Bduke -- who is a thoroughly experienced pro in physical chemistry and an excellent Wikipedia contributor -- I'm sure things will work out OK.

Excuse the long email, but it's good to hear from an 'inquiring' Wikipedian :-) (And for a quick solid intro to Entropy, try http://www.entropysite.com/students_approach.html or for an even more relaxed (but less thorough) intro, try www.secondlaw.com/six.html ).  FrankLambert 23:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK I'll try to help if I can (as a complete novice on the subject). I remember a seies of lecures on 'Laws of disorder' many, many moons ago. I cant remember who gave them but it was on UK tv. So entropy is a measure of 'disorder' yes? 8-)--Light current 01:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Musical acoustics
I've noticed that you've made several amendments to Musical acoustics, and I was wondering if you'd be willing to comment on the discussion at Talk:Musical acoustics. Specifically I was attempting to remove a segment of the article which I feel is irrelevant and misleading. I also find that the user who initially added this section, and is currently engaged in the argument, has been inserting material from his own research into many wikipedia articles, including this one. (Searching wikipedia for "greenwych.ca" and checking changes history will find a plethora of links added by the author to his own website.) There is a lot of text on the talk page right now, but I think the most relevant comments are under the heading: Talk:Musical acoustics. I would greatly appreciate another voice in this discussion. - Rainwarrior 20:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I added a space about 6 mo ago. I dont know if yould call that 'several'. If I have time I may take a look.8-|--Light current 23:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you copyedited the section that's being discussed (Circa Jan 31, 2006). Sorry I put my post at the bottom, I didn't catch the notice. Is there an easy way to insert a message at the top of a page? (I'm just used to using the + button.) - Rainwarrior 23:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just 'edit that page' takes you to the top doesnt it?--Light current 23:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Entropy
Thanks for coming in on the current Talk:Entropy discussions. I too have been trying to think of improvements to the article, and have added my ideas for the introduction to Introduction to entropy – hope that's of some assistance! Hope I've posted this in the right place, and best wishes for the fairly forthcoming Winter Solstice festivities – just celebrate Samhain and look forward to the day of Beltane.. .. dave souza, talk 12:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for showing up at the article. We need some objectivity there!   &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149;  00:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

THANKS!!
As a chemist and lurker on Entropy, I've become so sick of the increasingly huge mass of mess and decreasing clarity. Thanks for your challenges :-)