User talk:LightenUpFrancis

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September 2018
Hello, I'm Zachary Schr. I noticed that you recently removed content from Newburgh Theological Seminary without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. FiberTech (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Newburgh Theological Seminary
Since you have leveled a charge of bias rising to the level of "vendetta," I have added the appropriate templates that deal with my concerns so that other editors can review and make the changes they see necessary. I had also added the Neutrality disputation due to wordage that was framed and presented as an advertisement for the seminary. Subjective language such as "specialize" and that accreditation only "purports to assess" and similar wordage was present. Additionally, in the talk page, I have quoted and cited the definitions of a "diploma mill" and it can be seen that the definitions are accurate; even the mailing address, the prices, the time-frame, the lack of accreditation all fit. Wikipedia is not intended to promote any org but to state facts. If you feel I went too far, that is why I have asked other editors to step in instead of me. I also added my explanations to talk. I will finally point out that I did not remove all of the un-cited material to give other editors a chance to cite. There are specific and unsubstantiated claims made by the creators/earlir editors which have never been cited. Thank you for your time and I hope other and multiple editors will solve any discrepancies.SeminarianJohn (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the school does have a physical address and building (you can see it in Google Earth)- but they apparently do use a PO box... complaints against the time frame and cost can be perceived as nitpicking (see NationsU and University of the People). However, NTS is definitely a non-accredited school. I will remove the "voluntary process" statement from that section (which I did not write BTW) becuase that could be seen as misleading. LightenUpFrancis (talk) 23:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I acknowledge that some of my wordage allowed my personal views to go through, but I also did not write the article. This article has a lot of issues that predate our conversation. Thank you for your thoughtful response and I have refrained from making further substantial edits (I did add some templates so that other editors can review) in order to of course pursue fairness. Thank you and welcome, btw, as an editor!SeminarianJohn (talk) 23:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the courteous response. I looked through the school's website and saw that they do require work for the courses (admittedly, the rigor required is not clear) and even "ripoff report" complaints mentioned that NTS is stringent on receiving proper transcripts from potential students.... go figure? The Albert Trask issue may have been an anomaly but still, he did hold his job after the controversy... Seems like more of an issue with the Yukon school system than Newburgh. I scoured the web to find other instances to support this type of criticism particular to NTS and found nothing. But when I looked for notable alumni, I found the 2 I included pretty easily. I will close with this- a Wikipedia article on NTS should not elude to anything other than what the school is- an unaccredited "Bible School."

Have a great day. LightenUpFrancis (talk) 01:36, 15 September 2018 (UTC)