User talk:Lightmouse/Archives/2011/May

National Broadband Network
Since your FA review of National Broadband Network, the article went through main changes. Is there a chance you can revisit your review to provide more feedback? Thanks. — [d'oh] 11:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments on Orford Castle...
...just to say thanks for the comments on the review - they're much appreciated, so do keep them coming! Hchc2009 (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Reverted edits at FPC
Hello Lightmouse,

I've reverted the edits you made at Featured picture candidates regarding the usage of KB. Firstly the comments were entirely irrelevant to the FPC process and therefore a distraction to the nominations, and secondly image creators/uploaders/nominators have no control over the file size stated on the image page - that is produced by the Wiki software, so if you wish to argue about it, the units used, etc, please take it up with the system designers.

FWIW you may like to read Kilobyte. Since the K does not stand for Kilo-, but rather 210 or 1024 bytes, the uppercase K is used to distinguish it from a kB, which is technically 103 or 1000 bytes - although, having said which, none of these uses are actually mandated in any way, and are applied pretty fluidly and interchangeably. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 10:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm confused. It's been said that a revert is like a slap in the face. If you think I'm vandalising the page, please say so outright.
 * If there is something wrong with what I said, then the best place to respond is there, not here. I don't know which bit of the system provides the output for the reader and I think other people need to see what I say
 * I'm sure you have the best of intentions but you're acting as a moderator and preventing people from reading my comments. Would you be kind enough to put revert your revert? You're response will be welcome there - I think here isn't the right place. Trying to help Lightmouse (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If I thought it was vandalism I would have done a rollback rather than an 'undo', and my edit comment would have reflected such. It's what's called a reversion of a Good faith edit.


 * The reason I reverted, as I said above, is that "the comments were entirely irrelevant to the FPC process and therefore a distraction to the nominations". In fact they were very distracting as they were set apart from the normal comments, they included a subheading, and they took up three lines. Responding there, rather than reverting, would have simply made it even more distracting.


 * The fact that the same post was included on at least four nominations was also an issue. The comments were not directly relevant to the four nominations you chose to add them to - every one of the last 10,000 (or whatever it may be) FPC nominations has had exactly the same 'issue', so why choose those four to post that comment on? If you wished to make a general comment like that you should use a talk page, like Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates. In fact if you would like to add your comment there, you are welcome to do so (and you're welcome to point out the 'error' of my reverting at the same time if you wish).


 * Having said which, again your comment will only be seen by people who have no control over the 'issue' you were trying to raise. As I suggested above if you want to take up the KB/kB issue, doing so with people that have no control over it is really not ideal. The Village pump would probably be a better place to start. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 16:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Lightmouse, I've started a discussion on FPC talk about this. As I said I don't think it will get much response there, but it's worth a try. See Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_candidates. Please feel free to add to it. --jjron (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sack of Amorium FAC
Hello! In response to the FAC comments, I have revised the article in several locations where problems were pointed out. Could you please re-review it? Thanks in advance. Constantine  ✍  17:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and thanks for the prompt reply. I've tried to clarify the issue, the pounds referred to were Byzantine pounds, not quite the same as the Roman pound. I added a footnote to explain this, if you feel that it is still unclear, please let me know. Best regards, Constantine  ✍  16:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI
See Bureaucrats'_noticeboard.  MBisanz  talk 04:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Coin weights
I've started the process by leaving a note on RHM22's talk page as he is the other major numismatic writer right now. We'll get together a proposal for wider circulation, and feel free to join in now or later. Thank you again for the review.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. When you have a discussion going, just give the link here, and if you wish also at wt:mosnum and Template talk:Convert where people take an interest in unit related issues. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 11:22, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Bots/Requests for approval/Lightbot 11
I've marked this BRfA as denied, please see the request page for my reasoning. Please don't take this denial the wrong way, I simply honestly do not think you should be focusing on genfixes at this time, for various reasons (again, please see the request page for some of this reasoning). I did, however, have a vaguely related query: what exactly did you mean when you said the programming language included "monobook, vector"? Neither of those statements make much sense to me, monobook and vector are skins obviously, not programming languages. If you could clarify that for me, that would be nice. Thanks, - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not too worried about genfixes. My main focus is on units. With human oversight, the genfixes are often too much visual noise anyway. It's just that when running semi-automated fixes on one page that needs a lot of work, it's an additional benefit to the article. I'll let it go. Thanks for letting me know.


 * With respect to monobook and vector, that refers to scripts such as:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightmouse/monobook.js
 * It's very useful for non-bots. Many editors use script code that I wrote and I'd definitely want to use a script again with Lightmouse because of the simplicity. Lightbot may have started with the script three years ago before migrating onto AWB but I can't remember. I'll remove the references to monobook and vector from all Lightbot applications if you want. Lightmouse (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, I see. No need, just call it javascript in future though :D. - Kingpin13 (talk) 15:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. I didn't know it was javascript. Will do. Lightmouse (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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Draped Bust dollar
Hi Lightmouse. I've addressed your comments at the. Thanks for taking the time to leave comments! I apologize for the archaic or obscure wording in the article. Reading a lot of numismatic material, I always forget that a lot of that stuff is unusual to most! Anyway, thanks again for the review.-RHM22 (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the follow-up! I've responded at the FAC.-RHM22 (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Reviewing at FAC
Lightmouse, your input has been much appreciated. I'm almost brain-dead from RL work for another week; hoping you might keep up the good work there. They really need good reviewers. Tony  (talk)  16:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
1994-95 SPAC Jason Rees (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you respond again please :).Jason Rees (talk) 22:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Logarithm FAC
Hi, you commented at Featured_article_candidates/Logarithm/archive1, but did not declare whether you support or oppose the nomination. SandyGeorgia, FAC delegate suggested that I ask you, if you want to do so now. (If you don't want to declare either way, simply disregard this message.) Thanks, Jakob.scholbach (talk) 15:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Takoradi Harbour DYK
Thanks for the review. I have corrected all the issues you raised. Could you please accord the right tag to my DYK. A friend called - -- CrossTempleJay   →  talk 13:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

"Sweeping assertion"
What you removed in this edit is supported by the New York Times article cited at the end of the paragraph, which itself not only cites (with a screenshot, even!) but translates this tweet by French journalist Stéphane Jourdain to the effect that French journalists who saw the perp walk were, indeed, stunned into silence. I suppose I should cite it, too. Daniel Case (talk) 19:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There are several issues with the statement:
 * I'd characterize these as a bit more than several.
 * It assumes that French journalists working in New York are unaware of a 'perp walk'.
 * It assumes that French journalists are so sensitive that they are 'stunned' by a perp walk.
 * I would have thought otherwise, myself, since it's not like the French haven't seen American movies and TV shows, either, but the great amount of criticism this came in for in France shows this was apparently a mistaken assumption. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It assumes that all non-French journalists spoke and no French journalist spoke.
 * Jourdain did use "nous". Arguably it could refer to all the journalists present, but given that American reporters are very aware of perp walks and (as the videos linked show) tend to ask the arrestee questions during them. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It assumes silence=stunned.
 * Again, I'd characterize Jourdain's tweet that way.
 * Like the dog that didn't bark, it's odd that the public around the world weren't described as 'stunned'.
 * It wasn't carried on live worldwide television. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It asserts journalists were 'stunned' because a perp walk doesn't exist in France. There are other countries where it doesn't exist but nothing was said about those journalists. Were the British, French, Spanish, Italian journalists also 'stunned'?
 * I would imagine the responses of French journalists are more important than Italian or German journalists given DSK's high profile and status (at that time) as a frontrunner for the next presidential election. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The tweet doesn't say 'French' journalists. It says 'journalists'.
 * Again, it says "nous", which I take to mean the other French reporters at the event. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Tweets and blogs are an entirely different medium than Wikipedia articles, with different reliability requirements.
 * And we can sometimes be so tied up with our own policies that we try to impose them on the documents we use as sources. See this AfD nomination for how that can turn out. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just too many weird logical leaps for me. It's not a big deal, put it back in if you like, I won't oppose it. Thanks for coming here to talk about it. Lightmouse (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I put it back in, and I may change the wording a little bit, because you do have some points there. Thanks for elaborating. Daniel Case (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The story continues to feature in news around the world. This is just one issue of many I'd enjoy debating with you. It's a very detailed and educational article. Thanks for the work you've done on it. Lightmouse (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
-- Navy Blue84  23:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)