User talk:Lilyalaina

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March 2016
Hello, I'm Mabalu. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Sophia Kokosalaki because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. ''

Hi, your edits to Sophia Kokosalaki are more appropriate for a press release or a promotional piece written by the designer's publicists than for a neutral Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not for telling everyone how wonderful or talented or amazing someone is. Furthermore, there is a rule that all claims published in biographies of living people MUST be sourced to reliable sources. Advertising and promotion is not allowed. Furthermore, and worryingly, you appear to be copying big swatches of text from press releases and pieces published on the web. That is considered copyright violation, which is not allowed and must be deleted where seen. Please rewrite the statements in your own words, and cite them to the sources from where you got the information from.

This is not personal - it would be great to expand Sophia Kokosalaki's article with further information, but it must be done appropriately and with understanding of the rules relating to biographies of living people, advertising and promotion. I would be happy to work with you on this, as the article could indeed be expanded, but deleting the whole article and overwriting it with peacock terms, promotional language, and obvious copyright violations such as copying and pasting text from elsewhere and uploading other people's copyrighted photos and claiming them as your own work is not the right way to do it.'' Mabalu (talk) 17:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Editing Sophia Kokosalaki April 2016
Hello,

Thank you Malabu for your insight, I am new to the wikipedia community and hope that I am using the talk section correctly. I work at Sophia Kokosalaki and specifically wrote a whole new wiki page because the current information and image are very dated and inaccurate. All the material comes from our archives, press release etc, and we own the rights to the images. I have read through all of the article writing guidance and have re-written the information to be strictly factual, and would like to try and put it up again. I would be very grateful if you would like to help with this? I am in the process of sourcing references online for everything, but is there a way to use the verification of the actual person? I can also be contacted on my work email lily@sophiakokosalaki.com if it helps with verification.

Kindest regards, Lily Lilyalaina (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, Lily. As you work for Sophia Kokosalaki, there is a major conflict of interest here, and Wikipedia rules say that you should not directly edit the page because of this affiliation. You can request specific edits at Talk:Sophia Kokosalaki, and I (or another unaffiliated editor) will be very happy to go over them and check that they are OK to put in the article. This is a setup that has worked very well with other articles, such as Talk:Louise Kennedy.

Because you are keen to replace the current articler with a completely new page, I would recommend that you write the article you would like to see on your sandbox. A link to this will be found at the top of the page, at User:Lilyalaina/sandbox. I can then look at it on your sandbox, and suggest edits or note issues. Please note that the page should preferably focus on the subject and her career, and not read like a complete CV/everything she has ever done - it should only focus on the most notable aspects of her career. I hope this is helpful. Mabalu (talk) 17:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Also - you state you "own the rights to the images" - If this is indeed the case then you need to contact Wikimedia Commons with proof of this and confirm that you have the right to release these into the public domain. One of the images you uploaded was originally published in Elle France and taken by Mondino, so unless you have documentation where Mondino personally transferred his copyright/claim of authorship to you, we have to assume that it is copyright-protected - if not by Mondino, at least by Elle France. That is why it was deleted. Mabalu (talk) 10:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Lilyalaina (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi malabu! Okay, super. I have started an article in my sandbox. It is not finished yet, as I am slowly and diligently including citations as I go along. Are you able to see what has been written so far? I will have time to resume writing the article next week. I will look into putting our preferred images on wikimedia commons so that they can be used in the article.
 * That looks good so far, thank you for working with the Wikipedia community on this. The sourcing looks good too. Do let me know when you are done. One comment: I would avoid peacock terms like "iconic" unless there are reliable sources that describe this - Wikipedia articles should ideally be as neutral as possible, repeating only what is published in reputable third party sources. Best wishes, Mabalu (talk) 02:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Malabu! I am done writing and citing my article in the sandbox section. I have used a lot of citations, and removed any peacock terms, unless they are used in the original article, I hope it meets the Wiki standard of writing. Should I now click the submit article button? I will add images later, for now I think having the text up is more important. Thanks! Lily Lilyalaina (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Lilyalaina! On a quick glance through it looks fine, but there are some citation issues which can be fixed. Ideally, it is preferable for cites to be throughout the article, after any sentence that requires a cite, rather than gathered together at the end of paragraphs or sections. I will have a closer look later. Thank you for your work so far. (btw, it is Ma-ba-lu, not Malabu...) Mabalu (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mabalu - so sorry I misspelt your name. I have just moved a few cites into the paragraphs. I am looking forward to your review and hopefully making the article live! Lilyalaina (talk) 13:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Lilyalaina - I've had a look through the article which does look much better. We don't use other Wikipedia articles as citations (as you did for the Summer Olympics) so that section needs an alternative source. I also notice that the first cite goes to a commercial site - even though Browns are currently not selling any Kokosalaki, this is still not ideal. See also Lyst.com cite. Citations should not direct to sites offering things for sale, as this may be considered reference spamming - especially as I'm sure there are non-commercial sources that give the same information without trying to sell you something. I do have concerns that some of the sources read like press releases/publicity statements and may not be considered reliable sources because of this, but generally, it's good - I would want to rework it quite a bit, but it's good work! Mabalu (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Sophia Kokosalaki has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Sophia Kokosalaki. Thanks! LaMona (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sophia Kokosalaki (July 10)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Delta13C was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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Delta13C (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Delta13C, thank you for reviewing my article. I am not sure how to proceed now. One of the reasons cited for not making publication is Sophia Kokosalaki is not notable enough - but she actually already has a wikipedia page, which is a stub! I have checked some other similar designers pages such as Raf Simons and Mary Katranzou and they use similar references such as Vogue.com, which tends to be the kind of publication fashion designers become notable via. Should I abandon my article and update the existing Sophia Kokosalaki page? It is very outdated which is why I tried to start fresh. Maybe could someone help me select which passages meet the wiki criteria, and I can update the current page with the acceptable content? Thank you so much. Lilyalaina Lilyalaina (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Lilyalaina and Delta13C! Just a note to Delta to say that I support what Lilyalaina is trying to do here - I agree that Sophia Kokosalaki is notable, and she definitely needs an improved article. It is clear that Lilyalaina really wants to update it and is making a real effort to do it right. Now to you, Lilyalaina, I think it would be better for you to update the existing page, but ideally do so in stages rather than a complete overwrite/copy and paste. There is a lot of good stuff in your article that does need references. I have a lot going on (hence lack of editing), but I will try to take a hour later to have a look at it and see if I can salvage your work, find better references for your statements, and incorporate your work into the current article. All best, Mabalu (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, I had forgotten that you work for Sophia Kokosalaki. As I told you above, that is considered a conflict of interest, and you really ought not to be editing your employer's article. I suggested that you should place your edit requests on Talk:Sophia Kokosalaki so that a third party editor could assess them and incorporate them into the article if they are appropriate. I'm afraid I must retract my advice that it would be best for you to update the existing page, and can only recommend that it is in your best interest to stick to requesting edits on the talk page, rather than trying to edit the article. This is in order to avoid conflict of interest editing - if the edits are assessed by a third party editor and pass muster, then they are valid. But if an editor representing their employer edits an article in such a way that it appears to be promotion or PR, that is against Wikipedia's official policy.
 * What I am going to do here is quickly scan through your draft article and see what I can source up more appropriately and incorporate into Sophia Kokosalaki. In future, if you have issues with the article or want to update or add information, please place a request on the article talk page. Do note that if someone vandalises the article or adds completely incorrect information, you are encouraged to undo it if you spot it before anyone else does. :) Mabalu (talk) 00:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sophia Kokosalaki


Hello, Lilyalaina. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Sophia Kokosalaki".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 (talk) 09:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)