User talk:Lilystyle

Copy and pasting
We run "copy and paste" detection software on new edits. One of your edits appear to be infringing on someone else's copyright. See also Copy-paste. We at Wikipedia usually require paraphrasing. If you own the copyright to this material please follow the directions at Donating copyrighted materials to grant license. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

http://www.thepdaresource.com/

I don't understand what I am supposed to have copy and pasted. I did ask for you to flag it if their continued to be something I'd missed, but I could see nothing in my edit that matched the content of the PDA Resource file you linked. I would be grateful if you could please highlight what I am accused of copying.

I really want to get this edit accepted and have been in consultation with PDA Society and other interested parties.

I am not sure why I have been blocked from editing Wikipedia pages for 2 weeks as I disclosed my uncertainty over what I was accused of having copied in mthe edit notes field.

Please help.

Lily
 * Provided the details below. Also this is not a sufficient source  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Other issues include this text
"Although Pathological Demand Avoidance is not named in the ICD-10 or the DSM-5, the DSM-5 (which similarly doesn’t name Asperger’s) specifically encourages Autism Spectrum Disorder to be descriptively diagnosed, enabling autism subtypes such as PDA to be described within individual diagnoses where appropriate. "

The ref does not even mention PDA? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

January 2018
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. You have been previously warned that this is against policy, but have persisted. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * We need to discuss the copy and pasting issues... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:00, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Exact concerns
In this edit you added

"Individuals with PDA, unlike... Individuals with PDA don’t."

Is basically verbatim from the source.

You can reply here on this page. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

This phrase doesn't come up on the PDAresource.com pdf you linked me. It comes up in Jane Sherwin's PDA Society PDF which I was openly quoting. Should this have been paraphrased instead, even if I had openly quoted her and given the reference? If this has been the issue, I feel there has been miscommunication as I was not alerted about copying Jane Sherwin's text. I have also in fact been in email contact with her today and she is aware I was copying it.

Please can I be unblocked now?

Lily
 * It is verbatim from here

OK, I can paraphrase this - but please give me leniency because my attention had been drawn to a different source


 * On which page does NICE mention "Pathological demand avoidance"?

Pages 245, 354 and - as quoted - pp. 297 - 298. I quoted NICE also: Should this have been paraphrased? Please do bear with me. I am a bone fide contributor, but unfamiliar with Wikipedia protocols.


 * Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I am only seeing 44 pages here. [[User:Doc James| '''Doc

James''' ]] (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

The PDF I have open has 304 pages. It is called Autism spectrum disorders in children and young people recognition, referral and diagnosis National Collaborating Centre for Women‟s and Children‟s Health Commissioned by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence.

However, I now see the link I have given does link to a shorter NICE document. As I recall, the hyperlink I included in my earlier edit was rejected, so i sought a replacement and hadn't realised it was for a shorter doc. I would give you the link for the longer NICE PDF, but I am banned from inserting links right now.


 * Okay it is this one
 * Have updated it here
 * This is patently false "Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) is now widely recognised as a distinct profile of autism." If you look at pubmed there are a total of 7 studies most of which are small primary sources. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Unblock
You need to agree to: 1) Always paraphrase going forwards 2) Use high quality sources per WP:MEDRS 3) Declare any COI. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Thank you


 * And this website is not a suitable source www.pdasociety.org.uk
 * Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I hadn't realised. Jane Sherwin (the author of the PDA Society text I copied in earlier) said of it in an email to me today, "It may be helpful to know that a lot of the information I have written is taken directly from the peer reviewed research paper by Liz O'Nions et al and can be directly referenced back to the original source. The info I produced is here and the peer reviewed research paper is this one [I cannot paste in her link as I am blocked]

Might this represent a viable source to merit inclusion on Wikipedia?
 * Also please note their is a different between "review article" and "peer reviewed"
 * Are you sure you cannot past links on your talk page? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I was disallowed earlier in this conversation. Am going to attempt to post the link Jane Sherwin gave me http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1362361313481861

OK this worked
 * Yes and that is a small primary source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:24, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I do appreciate your time and your editing the Wikipedia PDA page based on the info from me you have upheld.
 * Okay have unblocked. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 22:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm still showing up as blocked, but hopefully this is now temporary.

WP:COI
What is your connection with PDAresource by the way? Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC) My connection with PDA resource is indirect. They provided an explanation of how PDA can be diagnosed within the current diagnostic manuals' stipulations (many health professionals are refusing diagnosis). I researched the manuals with another person who is interested in PDA in order to work out the truth behind PDA Resource's claims. I then typed up our findings. This is why I was surprised to have been told I'd copied their text (which I have in face not)
 * You used large blocks of text without quotation marks. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, I have learned now that this is contrary to Wikipedia's style And I hadn't quote anything from PDAresource, just PDAsociety

A Naval Biographical Dictionary
FYI since you created the article "Edward_Blanckley" in  February 2021‎, I have written a wrapper template for accessing A Naval Biographical Dictionary to make life easier. The citation is now written thus:

I have also recently completed and to demonstrate here is an article about the same man from that source:

There are also a lot of similar templates to other volumes on Wikisource (some of which I have contributed to, others I have not). I have a list of many of them on my notes page (user:PBS/Notes). There are typically three of them for each source. As an example see EB1911: -- PBS (talk) 15:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Cite EB1911 — Cite an EB 1911 article (just like a regular citation template but fills out some of the fields). If it is used in the "External links" section then add the field  as not all the details of a citation are needed in that section.
 * EB1911 — like Cite EB1911 but prepends attribution to meet the plagiarism guideline (see the section WP:FREECOPYING) when text is copied from an EB 1911 article into a Wikipedia article
 * EB1911 poster — displays an EB 1911 Wikisource article in a top box on the right (usually only used in the "External links" section)

Thank you for this. I get quite lost trying to cite tings correctly, not for want of trying, so I very much appreciate your help here