User talk:Lindamd90

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Nadar (caste)
Content in articles must be verifiable as having been published in relaible sources. Please do not return content that is just claims made by wikipedia editors without proper identification of where the claims have been made. -- The Red Pen of Doom  03:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The contents of the page should remain as it is. Perhaps citation needed tags may suffice. But deleting it completely will always be regarded as vandalinsm. I am not new to wiki. Thanks!
 * The contents had been flagged since January February, and our policy does indeed allow unflagged content to be removed at any time. WP:V "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed." -- The Red Pen of Doom  03:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit war warning
Please revert your recent edit to Nadar (caste). Not only are you working towards being blocked for violation of our edit war policy, returning unsourced content that to articles is in and of itself disruptive behavior / vandalism. -- The Red Pen of Doom  03:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You are commiting vandalism. Not i??Lindamd90 (talk) 03:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the return of challenged material without providing a reliable source is vandalism. -- The Red Pen of Doom  03:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

This edit war was started by you. This page was edited by senior editors like "Like I care". So i think they know better than you. Moreever u cant change the page like you want. And I think you are someone against this page. You should stop now.Lindamd90 (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "he started it" "no he did" "nuh uh" "uh huh" - Who started it is irrelevant as far as edit wars go. Rolling back to the same version 3 times will get you blocked. The exception is for edits that remove vandalism. Removing unsourced content is not vandalism. Replacing unsourced content is. --  The Red Pen of Doom  04:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what you are blabbering. But I could only say that you wont succeed by removing almost the whole article as you want. The links are quite appropriate as far as i know. You don't sound like a neutral person and your claims are aggressive. I think you are just trying to spoil this article because you are against it. The editors I just mentioned are very neutral unlike you. Be my guest and try.Lindamd90 (talk) 04:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "The links are quite appropriate as far as i know" - well, you should read WP:RS and WP:EL and you will quickly realize that you are wrong because [www.nadar.kuttyjapan.com|this] is a self published source and not a reliable source and wikipedia articles should not link there and cannot use that site to verify content.
 * And please do not make claims about my motives, we have guidelines that promote civil conduct and that is why I have asked you nicely to revert your edit that returned unsourced content to the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom  04:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you should take a look at the article's discussion page. And you ll find out this is a unique case. This article is still under discussion. If you are just going to edit this page like you want to, there is gonna be trouble. The claims from this article are not completely untrue. Maybe partially untrue but not completely. As I said perhaps the citation needed tag would suffice. Removing the article completely will just promote new problems. Wiki gives time to editors to edit articles. The tag weasel words exists for this purpose. So you dont have to reduce the article because the article already carries a tag regarding this issue. This is why the article remains as it is. It is actually waiting for appro refs. I still strongly claim that you are being a little too persistent in editing a caste article. Please be patient. Refer the discussion page. I ll search the refs for this article and for the other tamil caste articles myself. Thanks fr your time.Lindamd90 (talk) 05:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The article had been tagged for 6 months = giving editors plenty of time to find sources- the article can survive without content that you yourself admit is not all true until proper sources can be found. -- The Red Pen of Doom  06:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

6 months or a year. It really doesnt matter as long as the "weasel words" tag remains. You are just trying to prove you are right and I am just trying to make this article and all the other tamil articles more neutral. I never admitted that the lines of this article are completely untrue. Please don't make me look like a person against this page. And I am very sure that you can't prove that they are entirely untrue. You can only remove something if its completely not true. No offense. :) I am new user. Give me time i ll fix the probs of all the tamil caste articles. Lindamd90 (talk) 06:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No dear, the content has been challenged. Returning the content without providing reliable sources is disruptive behavior and continued disruptive behavior will lead to your account being blocked. Please now revert yourself and bring the article into a condition that more closely meets our guidelines and policies. -- The Red Pen of Doom  06:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I maybe new. But its not that I am not aware of what I am doing or the wikipedia rules. This article was written by many. And I don't think we have the right to say that they are all wrong unless we have the appropriate proofs. Whoever you are, i can only say that you sound like a lawyer. You are not going to win anything over this issue. If someone says that Napolean Bonparte was a nadar, you can remove it immediately. But claims in this article are almost true. Yes, it was challenged. Challenged by two parties. You are only supporting one point of view which ,ofcourse is deletion, without contemplating the pt of view of the other party. You are not supposed to neglect my views completely by speaking about things regarding neutrality. What you are doing is not at all neutral. You are just opposing the suggestions of many without even looking into it. Prove that they are not at all right(which you can't) or let the article be until it reaches a conclusion. And I am not at all worried about losing my account. Because what I am doing is right. Try something else. Wikipedia is run by suggestions made by many. You can't just remove their suggestions without even giving them a chance to prove that they are right. And I think you are the only person to disturb this article after bake and ravichandran. Sorry to be blunt.Lindamd90 (talk) 08:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are new to Wikipedia, (|although you have also claimed that you are not new) did it ever occur to you that as a newcomer you might not understand Wikipedias rules and policies as well as someone who has been here a while knows them?
 * For instance, you claim "You can't just remove their suggestions without even giving them a chance to prove that they are right." You are just wrong. I can remove anything at any time that anyone has not provided a reliable source to support. To quote again from our policy since you appear not to have clicked the link to go to the page itself and read it "Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true".
 * And now I will ask you one more time to provide reliable sources now or revert your edit, or I will. And if you continue to return unsourced content to the article you will be blocked. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I was deliberately bitten by a senior editor for providing a valuable idea regarding how to edit a caste article. I have provided this article with additional NPOV proofs(still have to find proofs for in the field of economics). TRPOD forcefully didnt even agree to give me more time. Cutting a caste article into nothing will only promote new problems. I ll append the rest of the proofs required for this article in a days time. And I ll continue to edit the other tamil caste articles as soon as Iam done with this article. I hope other reliable wikipedian editors would support my efforts.Lindamd90 (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * removal of unsourced and poorly sourced content "will only promote new problems" if editors become determined to violate policy by returning improper content. -- The Red Pen of Doom  01:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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Sure thing. Made a mistake.Lindamd90 (talk) 05:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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I am sorry. I dont understand. Could you be alittle more explicit?? :)

I am well read and informed about the history of caste in Tamilnadu. What authority do you have to comment on these subjects?.The passage that contradict with the original history is what been removed. I am sorry if you can't stand by the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybernetizen (talk • contribs) 08:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cybernetizen, it makes no difference if you are 'well read and informed' if you can't provide sources. Wikipedia is not the place for original research. Barret (talk) 09:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit war...
Hi.. can you look in to this: Anti-Shannar riots of Sivakasi? Thanks. Axxn (talk) 04:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

November 2009
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Well the tags were not placed by 1forthe monkey. It was placed by linguisticgeek. His intensions didnt seem very NPOV or resourceful. Ok. ThanksLindamd90 (talk) 09:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

help
i am lookin for help to enter runner-ups in Tamil Nadu election artcicles such as Tamil Nadu state assembly election, 1971. we need as much as help we can get and ur contribution will be much appreciated. -- Car Tick  23:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

We need your help to rectify the Sivakasi riots article and the nadar article. Please do make it according to our point of view —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.92.201 (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Please help this page and sivakasi riots page also. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.235.177 (talk) 12:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I need your help in reconstructing this page.Please consider my request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.229.242 (talk) 16:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I am doing the best I can. Please provide me with additional references. Thank youLindamd90 (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Use this book http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KZ9mqiLgkdEC&pg=PA184&dq=nadars+today&client=firefox-a&cd=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false. It is useful —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.112.93 (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Nadar (caste)
Please can you explain in what way the multitude of comments that you have recently removed from Talk:Nadar (caste) constitute "vandalism", which was your rationale for removing them from that page? - Sitush (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Because the nadars were not untouchables. They occupied a middling position like Vishwakarmas and paravars. And that is one of the reasons why they were successful, because if they were really untouchables they would have suffered serious social disabilities and it would have been a major obstacle for them. The anon user tried to include a line(the first line) stating that the Nadars were an untouchable caste. He tried to include this line by using unreliable references. I tried my best to make him understand that they were obviously above the untouchables(now known as dalits) and also provided references from the Hardgrave book(pg22&23). However the anon didnt even consider taking a look at my references. The anon also tried to remove the contents that were properly sourced. His activities obviously did nt seem as if he wanted to contribute something to wiki. This page was also attacked by racists in the past and a big war happened between the nadars and those who opposed them. I was trying to prevent that. Morever the article obviously speaks about the social disabilities the nadar climbers faced in regions they formed a minority clearly. As far as I know vandalism means to include something forcefully which is not at all true. Thats why I removed his comments along with comments posted by some nadar. This is obviously going to be my last edit. I was attacked by racists before like linguistic geek before(you can go through the history of this page). It was such a scary experience for me. I did nt edit articles for a long time after that. I am a half nadar and a half vellalar. I hate racists. It's 2012 already we still have racists in south india. I dont know much about the rules of wiki. You can revert my edits after going through the talk page history of the nadar article if you want to. I know that you are just editor. Happy New Year. I am out of here. Is it possible to delete my account?Lindamd90 (talk) 05:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That the statement about untouchability may have been wrong does not constitute vandalism. I note that one of the sources that you reverted is in fact used elsewhere in the article, which seems odd if you consider it to be unreliable.
 * That said, there is no need to throw toys out of prams or whatever. I do not understand why suddenly you have the desire to leave and I do hope that it has nothing to do with my query. As far as deleting accounts goes, no, it cannot be done. This is because we need accounts to remain in order that the contribution histories can be maintained, and we need that in order to fulfil our CC-BY-SA and GFDL licence scheme. If you really want to stop editing then just do so. I wish you well. - Sitush (talk) 05:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Else where?? I have no idea. But I do know that things he tried to include had no relevance to the references he tried to use. My user name is my real name. Thats why. Ok. Lindamd90 (talk) 05:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You may be able to start over in order to avoid the username problem. An administrator would be better placed to advise - User:Boing! said Zebedee is one whom I find to be very helpful. - Sitush (talk) 05:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the best thing you can do if you want to continue here with a different username is request a rename - you can find out all about that at Changing username. That will also rename your User page and Talk page. Of course, your comments signed with your old name will still be visible here, but you could always edit them to replace the signatures with your new one. Or you could just blank the page and start again. Either way, the old comments will still be in the history, but very few people will look there). Feel free to drop me a line on my Talk page if I can be of any help. (Oh, and it's a sad reflection on the 21st century, but unfortunately there are racists everywhere, not just in South India). -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

There is absolutely no racism involved here. We are just trying to correct the article with valid references. Valid references are being provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharma007007 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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