User talk:LisaBrown2012

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Hello, LisaBrown2012, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Larry N. Jordan, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

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Proposed deletion of Larry N. Jordan


The article Larry N. Jordan has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 02:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Help with set-up
Multiple people have been replying to your posts. User:Starfleet Academy is my username (I replied first). I'll be copying this to your talkpage. I will help (ASAP) and you can reply to me here. :) Starfleet Academy   Hail my ship  05:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

L N Jordan
Hi again Lisa. I've added a third party reference, and removed the deletion tag. Now there is another problem that I have discovered; you copied and pasted the Amazon bio on Jordan didn't you? I'm afraid this falls under plagiarism rules now. I know what your thinking, but it doesn't matter that this was submitted to Amazon by him or a rep, Amazon could want the wikipedia article to be changed. (A Big 'if' I know.)

Don't worry I can fix this: you said that you knew him? well... do you have any of his books? A Midwest Today mag? These hopefully will have a small bio somewhere on him? Then with some rewriting and multiple sources, you should have a good article.

I should point out that your really taking on quite a tast here. This is because your coming up against the Biography policies here. I have created an article myself. But it has been ignored by most (even though it isn't flash) because it is a loco, not a human. Humans have rights and for someone that has, at the time of writing, been on Wikipedia for less than 9 hours your doing a great job. Don't give up. :)

PS So someone nasty (*cough* admin) doesn't get onto you; could you remember to sign you posts with this please: ~ (or with the button that's in the editor). I'm always here, and will reply within 48 hours so reply when you can. Happy editing :D Starfleet Academy   Hail my ship  08:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * PPS You replied fine on my talkpage. :) Starfleet Academy   Hail my ship  09:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

About your posts on the Help desk
In your second post about Larry N. Jordan, you added it to the same section as the first: You did well with that. But for your third and fourth posts you created whole new sections: that was confusing, for there was no obvious connection to the earlier posts, and so the later posts had no context. As a result your third post got no meaningful reply. I recommend that when you add information or replies that you keep them in the same section. If for some reason you must start a new section, please provide full context for your question/comment. Thank you —teb728 t c 09:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Larry N. Jordan for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Larry N. Jordan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Larry N. Jordan until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Orange Mike |  Talk  15:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Larry Jordan
Hi LIsa!

Sorry you've been having trouble with Wikipedia, it's rather Kafkaesque once an article goes down the "deletion" path. I'd be happy to help you with the Jordan article, although it's probably going to be a bit tough saving it (journalists are hard to "source out," for reasons I will explain later). Please feel free to email me directly so that we may communicate more frankly and easily: MutantPop@aol.com. —Tim Davenport, Corvallis, OR. //// Carrite (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Larry Jordan
Hi, Lisa. Your article is out of the danger zone, now. Please not that while it may be unpleasant to have one's articles subjected to the deletion process it really is the only way that wikipedia can make sure that there is any kind of standard for what gets included and what isn't. See it basically as a trial in which it is established through discussion whether a particular piece should be here or not. In this case I had to play the role of the prosecutor. This does not mean that I have anything against you or your article or Mr. Jordan, but it is simply a part of the process by which the standard for inclusion is set. I am glad your article was kept, and that the deletion process inspired an effort to improve it. I wish you the best and hope that you have not been discouraged form contributing to wikipedia in the future. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoping...
Hey Lisa. I've got your message. I had no idea they were going to do that. I find that this is a complete attack on what Wikipedia stands for myself. In the time I've been building this and other wikis I haven't seen a more thoughtless act than that by Orangemike. I can't tell with all this bureaucratic nonsense whether the page will pull through. But you do seem to have more users on your side which is great. I totally agree with you that Mr Jordan should be bioed on Wikipedia. Otherwise why have any biographies then? I can't believe the fuss over this article. You must think that Wikipedia is an terrible place to be. But for me it's a great place to have fun learning new stuff and relax, ha ha or was a relaxing place. Oh well let's just hope reasonable people keep voting. See ya' on the other side! Starfleet Academy  Hail my ship  07:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Footnoting
Hi Lisa!

I'm going to put a sample footnote on your page for the Billboard article. You can switch to edit mode on this page and copy the code into your computer and then switch to the Jordan page and paste it in.

Here it goes:

If you are going to cite more than one fact from that article this is what you put for footnotes 2, 3, 4.... etc.

Here it goes:

The software will take care of the rest.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have problems. I will have to temporarily add something below so that you don't get an error message, pay no attention to it. —Tim. /// 02:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Footnotes:

Citing web sites
I'm going to use the Cite web Template here. But first; to make a 'normal' reference use  tags. This code goes in the content text, against the sentence you want to cite. Therefore to reference a book:

To make this easier some one made templates to do the work for one. To cite the web site you gave me use:



This is still a bit of a pain to keep writing out. So if you are going to use it again, or 'just in case', put this:. This means that if you want to use it again just add. This will add all the text in the original reference. Makes sense? If it doesn't I could make a personal test area for you to edit and test in? Or you can use the main Sandbox. For obvious reasons I'll just quicky add this ref you want to the page. I'm happy to answer any questions. Referencing tags were one of the only things I had to learn to edit on Wikipedia luckily, but I can understand how hard all this must seem. But one gets used to it and all I can say is practice. Have fun learning HTML XD

PS If you haven't already worked it out; "Hail my ship" in my signature is a link to my talk page. It doesn't displate the usual "User talk:Starfleet Academy" hover-over tag due to the way I've built it. :) Starfleet Academy   Hail my ship  03:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes
In case you want to use userboxes on your User page, here are a few that may or may not be of interest. Just switch this page over to EDIT mode and copy them into your memory, then hop to your user page and paste them in at the top. There's a million more at WP:Userboxes Carrite (talk) 08:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Footnote help
Hi, Lisa. I just happened to run across your query about creating footnotes on Carrite's talk page. The short answer is just to put &lt;ref&gt; in front of your reference and &lt;/ref&gt; at the end. The whole enclosed reference should go in the place where you'd normally enter a paper footnote (usually at the end of the assertion that the footnote is supporting, clarifying or expanding). Once you've submitted your new edit, then the footnote should appear in proper order in the footnote section of the article. More details are available at Help: Footnotes. —— Shakescene (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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